Originally posted by Universal Mind
You can experience the highest state of consciousness in a dream by willing yourself to do it. *Think about the oneness and extreme beauty of all things and feel totally serene. *When you do that, you are there. *Read about higher consciousness and then try to create it in your dreams. *You can do anything in a dream.
Well, you seem to be the most spiritual atheist I have ever met.
Well, no, you cannot do anything in a dream. To suggest such a thing would indicate that dreams are entirely from out of the imagination and that none of it is worthy or particularly indicative to anything.
The Gurus of the East are always insisting that one cannot will oneself, unalaterally, into the Presence of a God or Saint. They insist that the Gods and Saints are REAL and that they decide to whom they will appear, and to whom they will share their Patronage and Grace.
But if we believe you, then it is all empty imagination. A persons goes Lucid in a Dream and decides "I will have God Almighty bow before me, and I will have Mary Queen of Heaven surrender all Her Angels over to me so that I may be the new King of the Universe". Then you suppose a Meglomaniacal Dream will transpire, laying out this horrible and blasphemous plot... the only redeeming factor being that none of it would be in the leastwise REAL.
Indeed, that is the crux of the matter. In my view, and the View of the Gurus, Dreams are REAL, that is, the Subjective Reality corresponds to FACTS within the Collective Consciousness. We are influenced by REAL Spiritual Entities who are beyond our Control. This forces us to Work with them, and not simply conjore them up with our imaginations
So, Universal Mind, you seem to be the most spiritual atheist I have ever met.
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