Thread: How do you?

Originally posted by Ex Nine
In my opinion it's very much like the word \"astral projection,\" which is what I thought it was originally. And I agree with Icedawg. Please see my post in the astral projection thread for my of my thoughts on this.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20410

I still think we can continue this discussion, though, without introducing new words that subsume the role of \"lucid dreaming,\" such as astral projection or the one that has been blanked out. In fact, I sincerely hope we do.

Well, I doubt it, but at least I can go haunt my enemies if they are not Lucid! Especially spammers (ha! take that spam! *punches the spammer).
Wait a second, isn't that LDing though?

Why not? Just replace the word you were going to use with LD and then "but with..." and then add such and such qualities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with qualifying the experience. It may be cumbersome, but it actually lays everything all the table nicely so we can see it. We can pick it apart, see if we notice certain qualities in some dreams and not in others. Anything.

Through that method, I think we could really use your leadership, here, nesgirl.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Why not? Just replace the word you were going to use with LD and then \"but with...\" and then add such and such qualities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with qualifying the experience. It may be cumbersome, but it actually lays everything all the table nicely so we can see it. We can pick it apart, see if we notice certain qualities in some dreams and not in others. Anything.

Through that method, I think we could really use your leadership, here, nesgirl.

Okay okay! The definition of ****** is LD, but it has a twist of reality & FA!
Glad I got that off my chest. And that is how you enter someone else's LD!

Wait... what's "FA" now?

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Wait... what's \"FA\" now?

False Awakening. In other words, it is when you think you have gotten out of bed, when you are really still in bed dreaming.

Aha! Yes! That's progress!

You see? People can relate to that! lol

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Aha! Yes! That's progress!

You see? People can relate to that! lol

How about reality? LOL!

okay i think we are getting off the subject

I believe that dreams are being shared subconsciously while awake, for example while talking to the other person. Then in the night it will be a shared dream.

Obviously the human brain isn't capable of sending information through walls. So dream sharing wouldn't work from being started while sleeping. It also works much worse when LDing because subconscious information is altered.

nesgirl, your ideas are optimistic and all but it isn't possible to play games in shared dreams, especially lucid ones.

Hey Back Off Nes Okay!

Shes been here longer than me and u put to gether now back off she knows what she talking about she is a sci-fier =P

And what do you know u joined 3 days ago

Hello,

I don't have any experience here, but if we are transmitting dreams to eachother with our minds why the hell would a wall stop them? It seems to me that low Hz signals travel thru solid objects better than high Hz. For example, even though it's a different type of energy, microwaves operationg at 5000Hz barely penetrate your microwave, but your 2000 Hz cordless phone can leave your house. I'm not saying your wrong, you may have a very legitamate reason for saying dreams, if thay can even be transmitted, can't be transmitted thru walls. It's just contrary to my logic I suppose. Could you please explain scientifically why you believe this Korittke?

Thanks,

Nick

>> microwaves operationg at 5000Hz barely penetrate your microwave, but your 2000 Hz cordless phone can leave your house.

I think you're on the right track. Just a couple technical comments.

5000Hz is only 5khz. I suspect you meant more like 5,000,000,000hz (5Ghz)
2000Hz is only 2khz. I suspect you meant something like 2,000,000,000hz

The phone has an antenna providing gain and creating a low SWR.

The microwave is insulated and designed to produce very high SWR from the magnatron.

I put together 5.6Ghz data and video systems that will throw a signal for 25mi or more through reinforced concrete walls with less power than your microwave is putting out. Different kinda systems.

But yes, VLF carries very little bandwidth very slowly through just about anything.

Originally posted by dreamcatcher05
Shes been here longer than me and u put to gether now back off she knows what she talking about she is a sci-fier =P

And what do you know u joined 3 days ago

Say, dreamcatcher05, do you know what a "logical fallacy" is?

This one is known as "appeal to authority."

Thankyou for the corrections Kimpossible, While I was writing it I was thinking of my phone and was thought that may not be right. Perhaps I should use two cordless phones for an example though. Mine is 2.4 Ghz, and it seems that everyone thought they were better when they first started coming out years ago I suppose. However, if you ever compare a newer 2.4 Ghz phone to an older .9Ghz phone, if I'm not mistaken the .9Ghz phone actualy penetrates walls with more clarity or distance, or both. This again may be inaccurate, but It's what I believe to be true.

Thanks,

Nick

Edited Note: I just went back and re-read what you said. 5000hz isn't VLF. 5hz would be. 5khz is in HF...

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Ok - I could run with that! With another caveat or two (don't you just hate picky people?):

The 2.4Ghz phone will penetrate non-reinforced walls better. The 900Mhz (0.9Ghz) phone will penetrate reinforced walls better. That's why the 2.4Ghz phone has more range in the average house (unless it's lap-and-plaster construction). ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL!

Now, if I throw a 3watt amplifier on a 24dBi gain antenna on the 2.4Ghz phone, then all bets are off. It's going to penetrate almost anything better than the 900Mhz phone at unity.

But that's really an aside to your point. All things being equal, VLF penetrates structures better. As another aside: The government uses VLF to communicate VERY short messages to submarines at sea. VLF is the only thing that will penetrate water worth a damn. But there are very few messages that can be sent because the bandwidth is so low. Generally, it's a "surface as soon as you can so you can receive a microwave burst transmission containing your orders".

Now, if I throw a 3watt amplifier on a 24dBi gain antenna on the 2.4Ghz phone, then all bets are off. It's going to penetrate almost anything better than the 900Mhz phone at unity. [/b]

So, if we were to wear an antenna.....perhaps aluminum foil hats.......we could then amplify our signal and share a lucid dream with an alien right? Given the fact that the signal travels around the speed of light, and our nearest neighbor star is some four light years away, if your willing to wait it can work.

Forgive me if my idea sounds ridiculous, I'm kind of tired.

Not at all! It's very logical. But let's take it a step further:

I've been building extremely sensitive (some 30x that of medical-grade) EEGs. Why not capture it to the computer and then all the aliens need is an Internet connection?

Well that all sounds good, but I believe I may have caused us to stray off topic. When some people on this forum were going to try sharing lucid dreams didn't they experiment with all going to a common place in their lucid dreams to see if they could meet up there? Has anyone seen if this actually works?

-Nick

That's what I'd like to see. Some common details not known ahead of time, documented prior to contact between the two people IRL and then compared.

I think we won't see many takers because they'd have a hard time continuing to convince themselves if it fails.

Originally posted by dreamcatcher05
Hey Back Off Nes Okay!

Shes been here longer than me and u put to gether now back off she knows what she talking about she is a sci-fier =P

And what do you know u joined 3 days ago

Thanx, dreamcatcher!
And it is true. I actually have played VGs w/my niece a few times, & I also played them w/my b.friend b4 he died, so don't say I haven't done that!

No problem nes, and sorry to hear about your loss

Originally posted by dreamcatcher05
No problem nes, and sorry to hear about your loss

No prob...happened over a year ago... I may still sob over him, but I am doing pretty well about it, considering they were finally able to half my anti-anxiety meds, in addition, I have that final ****** date to remember him by!!