Monroe Institute Gateway Series

**tryured** · 06-15-2005 07:42 AM

Does anyone here use the Gateway series, if so how far are you through it? Ive been using Wave One for a while now and in a few weeks im going to move on to Wave Two. If you havn't heard of the Gateway Series all information about it can be found here http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ , http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/home.php?cat=8 . Just wandering if anyone had used it much to advance in lucid dreaming and if so which parts of the series have you used to do so. What I have learnt so far from Wave One has been pretty useful I definitly recomend people check it out, you don't even have to pay the money, if you have broadband you can download it straight from most File Sharing programs.

**Leo Volont** · 06-15-2005 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Griffon
Does anyone here use the Gateway series, if so how far are you through it? Ive been using Wave One for a while now and in a few weeks im going to move on to Wave Two. If you havn't heard of the Gateway Series all information about it can be found here http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ , http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/home.php?cat=8 . Just wandering if anyone had used it much to advance in lucid dreaming and if so which parts of the series have you used to do so. What I have learnt so far from Wave One has been pretty useful I definitly recomend people check it out, you don't even have to pay the money, if you have broadband you can download it straight from most File Sharing programs.

I would not take such unethical behavior with me into the Spirit World. Now, I don't like Bob Monroe, and, indeed, the world is ever more and more filling up with people who do not like Bob Monroe, however, he did write these books and programs for the express purpose of selling them for profit. If you break into the Spiritual Realms using the methods you directly used from these commercial products without having paid for them ... its absolutely begging for trouble.

But I think it ethical enough to take such stuff at second hand. If a person pays into such things and then speaks of such techniques to third parties, as long as he doesn't sell it as his own, seems fair enough. It is perhaps comparable to the idea of it being dishonest to re-record some professional musicians music and selling it as your own, when nobody would really care if you were to hum the tones as you walked down the street.

So, please tell us all about these Monroe things, but don't ask us to soil ourselves with theft.

**Seeker** · 06-15-2005 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Leo Volont

If you break into the Spiritual Realms using the methods you directly used from these commercial products without having paid for them ... its absolutely begging for trouble.

Leo, that made me grin, thank you! Ah, the consequences of copyright infringement in both realms!

**tryured** · 06-15-2005 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div>

I would not take such unethical behavior with me into the Spirit World.

If you break into the Spiritual Realms using the methods you directly used from these commercial products without having paid for them ... its absolutely begging for trouble.

So, please tell us all about these Monroe things, but don't ask us to soil ourselves with theft.[/b]

There is not a dark side to everything in life you know. Obviously you havn't bought them neither have you heard them because in YOUR opinion that would be wrong unless you have a friend that has them. So how can you even have a say on this topic? The audio helps you focus and move into different states of consciouness, it is simply an aid. I practise meditation with audio aids and without, it depends what I want to achieve that particular session. No one is soiling them selves with theft if they choose to download the series, no bad karma would come with it what so ever, remember someone originally paid for this series and they have taken advantage of the technology available to them to pass it on or share the audio with people around the world.

<!--QuoteBegin-Leo Volont
It is perhaps comparable to the idea of it being dishonest to re-record some professional musicians music and selling it as your own, when nobody would really care if you were to hum the tones as you walked down the street.

Say if I purchased a music CD and uploaded to a file sharing program so twenty of my friends could download the CD because they wern't as fortunate as me to be able to buy the CD with the little money they had, this is exactly the same concept as how I have recieved the audio except that the technology lets people reach extended friends of friends. Sorry but I totally disagree that this is even barely comparable to the idea of re-recording music and selling it as my own, how did you even come up with this?

Every society has a set of beliefs or ethics and with in each society each person has thier own set of ethics. Just becasue this may cross the line when it comes to your set of ethics, don't believe in your mind that it crosses everyone elses. You are not the judge of what is wrong and what is right.

Leo Volent I am not arguing with you, but I don't think it was very wise of you to post what you did, it was far from the original topic and could of been something that was easily kept to your self.

Now if we could get back to the original posts main purpose, has anyone had much experience with the Gateway Voyage?

**SantaDreamsToo** · 06-15-2005 06:04 PM

why fight about it? there is a law that says its illegal, that should be enough

also he was only sharing his beliefs, I cant see why you get angry at him.

**tryured** · 06-16-2005 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Griffon+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Griffon)</div>

Leo Volent I am not arguing with you, but I don't think it was very wise of you to post what you did, it was far from the original topic and could of been something that was easily kept to your self.[/b]

Hey i'm not arguing, but look at my original post, I just want to talk to people who have used the CD's. I didn't ask if anyone thought it was ethical or not, if he doesn't want to download it thats fine, but I don't need him to spam my thread about it. He is good at writing I know, but when someone creates a topic he should try to stick to the topic.

<!--QuoteBegin-Griffon
Does anyone here use the Gateway series, if so how far are you through it? Ive been using Wave One for a while now and in a few weeks im going to move on to Wave Two. If you havn't heard of the Gateway Series all information about it can be found here http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ , http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/home.php?cat=8 . Just wandering if anyone had used it much to advance in lucid dreaming and if so which parts of the series have you used to do so. What I have learnt so far from Wave One has been pretty useful I definitly recomend people check it out, you don't even have to pay the money, if you have broadband you can download it straight from most File Sharing programs.

From now on just people who have used the CD's thanks.

**Howie** · 06-16-2005 04:04 AM

I am familiar with The Monroe institute.
In fact I have a post floating around somehwere about thier Hemi-sync technology. In short getting both brain hemishperes in sync in order for clarity of the mind.
I just recieved something in the mail called the Gateway experiance, premoting a 3 CD album & guidance manual for a mear $74.95

I respect the Moroe institute for their contributions to the study of consciousness. I wish there were more.
If I had the money I would start my own.
Buying their products............It is your money. I Admit to having a few of their CDs.
That is all I will say.

**Leo Volont** · 06-20-2005 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Griffon

Say if I purchased a music CD and uploaded to a file sharing program so twenty of my friends could download the CD because they wern't as fortunate as me to be able to buy the CD with the little money they had, this is exactly the same concept as how I have recieved the audio except that the technology lets people reach extended friends of friends. Sorry but I totally disagree that this is even barely comparable to the idea of re-recording music and selling it as my own, how did you even come up with this?

Every society has a set of beliefs or ethics and with in each society each person has thier own set of ethics. Just becasue this may cross the line when it comes to your set of ethics, don't believe in your mind that it crosses everyone elses. You are not the judge of what is wrong and what is right.

Leo Volent I am not arguing with you, but I don't think it was very wise of you to post what you did, it was far from the original topic and could of been something that was easily kept to your self.

Now if we could get back to the original posts main purpose, has anyone had much experience with the Gateway Voyage?

Do you know Bob Monroe? You obviously don't if you think that Bob Monroe gives his blessings to one guy buying one CD and then killing the market for 20 more sales by giving it away 20 separate times.

You know, think about it. If Bob wanted to give it away, he would. But money is his thing. I don't personally agree with him. I think he is a mercenary blood sucker who invents new things not because they work well, but because he can get a clear copyright. but that doesn't mean I would advocate stealing from him.

You bought one copy. Nobody sold you a licence to distribute.

Hey, if I ever write a book someday, and it goes on sale, and I catch you pirating it out, I'll personally track you down and cut your hands off. And I am a nice guy. You should meet Bob Monroe.

**tryured** · 06-21-2005 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Leo Volont

Hey, if I ever write a book someday, and it goes on sale, and I catch you pirating it out, I'll personally track you down and cut your hands off. And I am a nice guy. You should meet Bob Monroe.

I really don' think he is going to loose any sleep overnight knowing his series is on the internet, and who says you are a nice guy, becasue there a number of people on these forums that certainly think you arn't, lol and stop refering to Rober Monroe as "Bob" despite what you say you don' know him on and enough of a personal level to call him by his short name. Anyway I'm really sick and tired of talking to you now, with your smart-alek responses to say to everything, don't bother writing back in this thread, just keep your thoughts on this matter to your self.

**Colin Basnett** · 06-21-2005 07:42 AM

Jaywalking is illegal too. Better slap a 3 paragraph post on how it causes bad karma.

The fact is that they can slap as many rules, regulations and big words into their side of the argument, but downloading illegal copies isn't stopping anytime soon. I have downloaded literally thousands of dollars worth of programs and I'm losing any sleep over it.

Interperet it as you will, but don't just disagree for the sake of argument.

**Crashwithuhk** · 06-21-2005 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Leo Volont

If you break into the Spiritual Realms using the methods you directly used from these commercial products without having paid for them ... its absolutely begging for trouble.

So, please tell us all about these Monroe things, but don't ask us to soil ourselves with theft.

Well the first part is an opinion. Personally I have downloaded more then my fair share of well.. everything and I haven't had any problems in both my waking a dreaming life.

I don't think he was asking any of the forum members to pirate these CD, he was just offering an option that in my opinion doesn't really need pointing out as it's always there.

As to the topic at hand: Thanks for giving the info. I'm "looking into" the series and will let you know how it turns out. Sounds interesting.

**tryured** · 06-21-2005 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Colin Basnett
Jaywalking is illegal too. Better slap a 3 paragraph post on how it causes bad karma.

The fact is that they can slap as many rules, regulations and big words into their side of the argument, but downloading illegal copies isn't stopping anytime soon. I have downloaded literally thousands of dollars worth of programs and I'm losing any sleep over it.

Interperet it as you will, but don't just disagree for the sake of argument.

Yea man better get down to church now and confess your Sins. Downloading movies is a one way ticket to hell.

**Sir Calvert** · 07-18-2005 10:45 PM

I have all the Gateway Cd's and have been workin with them for a couple of days now, I do feel much better during daytime.
I feel more at balanced and very little stress, so at least some positive things happened already.
I haven't tried to WILD yet, but i will in a couple of days.
I read that when one experiences those deep relaxation states one automatically remembers them and that makes it very easy later to get into the states faster and without audio.
Especially when doing WILD this is probably a huge benefit.
And the chapter about the OBE's makes it very interesting and keeps one motivated.

How's it going for you Griffon?

**ElijahJones** · 07-18-2005 11:55 PM

Well this issue seems to have flaired up. I might as well put my two cents in. I have tried a part of one of the Hemi-sinc mp3. It was very relaxing. The question of whether forcing your mind using binaural beats to produce symmetric brain activity is better then the usual roughly symmetric signal,....I did not see any evidence for that.

The mp3 was contraband and so my conscience got the better of me and I deleted it. Why? Because as a scholar myself I realize how important copyright is. I looked on their website and just could not see how $300 dollars for a set of CD's was worth it.

I think the point Griffon made is an insight into why copyright infringement is so common. Why pay for a book or CD that you might only read once and then discard? Some vendors have solved this with E-books that can only be read once. I think this is a nice option because if it turns out to be a classic that you just have to have then a conscientious vendor could give you a discount on the uses you already payed for.

The market price for subliminal tapes is probably inflated right now because a lot of people are getting into lucid dreaming. From the perspective of science the brain is still little understood and claiming that you know how to guarantee that someone will develop LD techniques listening to your tapes ignores many of the variables that are involved. I would say that the value of one LD CD could not be much more than about $10. That is the value of your typical supermarket mood music.

As much as I dislike agreeing with Leo I think he is right in saying that the Hemi-sync tapes are overpriced. Hell, placebo wrote a program you can download for free and create your own hemi-sync tapes. Ask him about! With a little research you could create custom hemi-sync. The sync part comes from having the two speakers play frequencies that add to a binaural beat. Nothing extraterrestrial there!

**Sir Calvert** · 07-19-2005 01:25 PM

EJ, which cd have you listened to?
Because you have to start from the beginning and so on.
And did you read the manual? I don't think so if it was a mp3.
499$ for 18cd's. That's the exact price per cd here where i live if i go and buy myself the new Green Day cd or whatever.
And i would never try to make my own hemi-sync because experimenting with which frequencies works best would take me years. Oh, how expensive would that get?

And one more thing to make this clear, The Gateway Experience serie isn't about lucid dreaming. It's about entering new states of awareness and getting to know oneself better.

**ElijahJones** · 07-19-2005 05:29 PM

I think it was tape 1 pf the Lucid dream tape thing it was a 90 minute two tape deal that someone hacked into mp3 I guess.

$499/18 >$25 per cd. So they include a manual etc. The website made it seem so well packaged. Such a done deal.

But the reality of brain research is that it is still so wide open. I think that among the 3000 members here are at least a hundred or so have scientific degrees and experience you would think they would be onto this thing. Prmoting the the wonderful davance of the Monroe Institute.

I am giving you my personal opinion but it is not an uneducated opinion. My field of interest is environmental science but my BS is in mathematics with a minor in physics. In my opinion the presentation on the Monroe site and the pricing suggest that he is pushing the envelope to say the least.

Are you a salesman for Monroe Gateway? Because honestly there is no single thing on there that you can't do yourself. BTW look up any of the early studies on binaural beats and you can find what frequency ranges to work with when creating your onw hemi-sync CDs.

The issue is that the frequencies come from a range. And since human minds are also statistically distributed one size of hemi sync is probably not optimal for all people. I put my two cents in and I think that is enough. If they work for you fine. Another happy customer but as several here have pointed out, the ability for altered states may be almost universal among humans but the techniques and obstacles to their attaining are often quite subjective.

In short the Monroe marketing scheme seems alot like trying to sell the ultimate kitchen utensil.

Best Regards,

EJ

Wait I have an idea, get Mr. Monroe to let me try the entire Gateway series for free and if it gives me good results I will post my testimony here upon approval by Ice and Seeker.

**Sir Calvert** · 07-19-2005 08:07 PM

First, I'm not a sales man of any monroe products and i've not paid a cent for any of the cd's because I'm not so interested in giving away 500$ in something I've never heard because it might not have done anything for me.
And to make your own cd's...all i can say is good luck you'll need it.
But the thing is that it helped me relax easily which usually don't happen when trying to.
So I was just answering to Griffins original question, "Anyone using the gateway series?"
I don't get why you replied when you haven't even heard the gateway series.
Let's stay on the subject from now on.

**ElijahJones** · 07-19-2005 08:42 PM

I posted here because I have heard a CD from the Monroe Institute. Did you read my post? I don't think you did. There is nothing mysterious or difficult about making your own binaural beat tapes there programs you can get for free and studies you can download to do custom tapes.

"i've not paid a cent for any of the cd's"

Now the idea that you are confessing to copyright infringement and that somehow you think it shows how smart you are is troubling. I rarely say this to anyone but I think that Seeker, Leo and I have said some things here that are beyond you. From what I see you are starting to look foolish.

None of my posts were intended to be incendiary just helpful and thought provoking. The general topic of subliminal and binaural CD's is of interest to me and thats all that is needed to post in here as far as I know.

I would not waste any more precious thread space trying to rebuke me, your wasting my time as it is.

**Lucid Mind** · 07-19-2005 10:19 PM

Well......the point is i think, do any of this Gateway series (waveI-VI)does help with
lucid dreaming,if it does lets say "Wavex" , then most of as are ready to pay $99 to
get that particulate wave.If it only helps to relax thats not enough and thats the original guestion guess i, or am i missing something ? lol !

**Howie** · 10-08-2005 11:50 PM

I am familiar with The Monroe institute.
In fact I have a post floating about thier Hemi-sync technology.

Well There is a new boy on the block. I am not sure why people are so compelled to point these self help CDs out to me

At any rate, it is called CenterPointe Technology. I did here from a reliable source that it is profoundly more advanced than that of the Robert Monroes series.
Take from it what you will.
Hopefully it or both can help some people out!

**FireDancer** · 10-11-2005 05:50 PM

I've made it part of the way through Wave I, but haven't really noticed any difference. Although that might be for 1 of 2 reasons.

1) I don't use them on the regular basis

(probably my main problem) and
2) I converted them to mp3's and I'm not sure if they lost any quality during the transition which would make the binaural beat less effective.

I try to use them before I go to bed, but often I'm just too tired to sit through the entire track, so I end up turning it off part of the way through. I've tried to get in the habit of going to bed early in order to use them before I'm too tired, but often work/school/life/[enter your disruption here] gets in the way. I am really curious to find out what type of experience someone who's been using this for some time has had. Please let me know how it has worked for you and how long you've been using it.

I've also used the initial CDs in the Centerpointe program. Those tracks do not contains a guided meditation like the Gateway experience. Instead, they make use of rain and meditation bowl sounds.

My main problem with Centerpointe is their marketing tactics. With the Monroe Institute, I get about one letter a year talking about their new products and their end of year sale. With Centerpointe, not only do I get a flood of marketing from them trying to talk me into buying their rather expensive advanced levels, but I also get a lot of letters from their "partners" hawking stuff like Photoreading (supposedly teaches you how to read an entire book in minutes). All of the Centerpointe letters include phrases about how "This special sale will never happen again. Ever!"...until I get their next letter where it happens again. It just feels like you're dealing with a shady used car salesman trying to fast talk you into something you don't really need. But that's just my impression.

As for the discussion about the wrongs of trading mp3s online, that's something that Robert Monroe probably won't personally care too much about right now since he died about 10 years ago. But it's something you'd have to be careful about since the RIAA can be ruthless in pursuing people who do it.

**Howie** · 10-12-2005 12:22 AM

Thanks for the info FireDancer.
I always thought the Moroe institue was rather pushy.
I am glad to know that I can expect the same.
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. It seems expensive as well.

**oilfieldpilot** · 10-12-2005 03:48 PM

""You should meet Bob Monroe. ""

Robert Monroe has been deceased for over 10 years now.

I knew Bob, and I know the family and the organization.

Everyone is certainly entitled to their "opinions" but it is sad when one formulates an opinion lacking the facts. But then again, it reveals someone's true colors too...or perhaps his/her EGO is just getting in the way of true colors 8)

Anyway, TMI is NOT out to get rich, they are non-profit to merely support their programs they offer and decent facilities. TMI is not some televangelist where you open your hearts and wallets to god, and all your $$$ goes to the preacher's new Learjet, or addition onto his 40 million$ castle...so don't Ass-u-me and go blurting your ignorance all over creation. as Mark Twain said...(everyone knows his quote)

So, let me ask this, if YOU created or discovered something and wanted to share it with the world, How would You have the $$$ to bring the product into reality and share with millions of others???

For someone to spend 40 years on R&D, on something such as hemisync and the programs, how could you expect him to foot that bill???

My $ and contributions to TMI have been refunded to me Many times over by MY results from the products and programs!

-you get what you pay for...or not

happy travels...with the true faqs!
and if you don't know, then ASK, or just shut-up

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**Howie** · 10-13-2005 01:49 AM

Bob Monroe had indeed put a lot of his life into the research of conscious dreaming and their Hemi-sync indevors.
He has had his original set of Cds that made the two Hemispheres in concert with one another. The concept of getting the two hemishperses to coencide with one another does seem like a very simplistic way off producing a higher level of concentration.
But as of late their product has not seemed to have changed. They have a remarkable mumber of new Cds on the market along with the mix of his wife's new book release.
But hey. I did not know them, so I guess I should just shut up!

**oilfieldpilot** · 10-13-2005 04:26 PM

Yeah, Howetzer, SHUT-UP!!!

hehehe, just kidding!

Actually, for those who have never attended one of the week long intensive programs, the CD's that are marketed are just tools. And no, not much has changed with regards to the "basic goal" with the product. However, they continue to expand the product line with guided meditations for healing, prep for gentle transition to the other side (hospice for ex), and a lot of research in to hemisync for mentally retarded kids, kids with severe problems, ADD, etc. to get them off the drugs (which is showing suicidal tendencies and improper brain development in later years, etc.) etc etc etc. and to increase physical and mental performance, athletes to writers and scientists, etc.

The CD's are VERY even keel compared to what you get during one of the programs. You even have the chance to experience the research lab where R&D is done and have a private 'session' there. The fella running the lab is retired army and researcher for the Gov't now defunct remote viewing program (20 yrs) and where Joe McMoneagle and other gov't remote viewers 'trained' with hemisync.

The best way I can compare , for ex, the Gateway CD's to the actual Gateway program: buying a ticket to take a scenic ride in a Cessna, vs. getting launched to the moon and viewing earth from space.
But, that is MHO

from my experience.
No, the Gateway tapes/cd's are NOT the same as what you have at the Gateway program.

Does this mean they are not worth the $$$? No, not in the least. They are a set of tools...but at the program, you Learn HOW to use these tools.
Kinda like home study, get your degree over the internet VS. attending College.

The programs are too expanding. they offer more graduate courses than 10 yrs ago.

Happy Trails and Lucid Dreams:-)

-ofp

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