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So, apparently a whole bunch of people are spreading the really exciting, but also quite bonkers, idea that you can reality shift from one dimension to another. Essentially, multiverse theory meets Rick and Morty - only behaving is if that's reality and not fiction.
I thought I'd throw a challenge out there to those who believe in such things, so here's an overview of the topic and a challenge to believers...
REALITY SHIFTING, Watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cUz78LEsNI
So anybody who try Reality Shifting, will become a RealityShifter and have superpowers:rockon:
I have plenty of these kinds of dreams about theorizing, multiverse theory for the best possible outcomes, in my dreams of course, and even teaching people in the dream characters about Quantum Physics.
I Catch an interesting comment from the comment section:
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That incubation technique of tying your concern with what you want is very similar to a memory technique I've been reading about, where you associate two dissimilar objects together with a weird mental picture, forming an association between them that sticks out in your mind.
For example, the book I'm reading ("The Memory Book" by Harry Lorayne and Jerry Lucas) has a list of items (airplane, tree, envelope, earrings, bucket, singing, basketball, salami, star, nose) that you're supposed to memorize in sequence. Just repeating them to yourself and reading over them isn't very effective, but if you create an insane/wild/crazy mental picture between them (for instance, I imagined a bunch of airplanes growing on trees, which led to opening an envelope and finding a tree inside, which led to an envelope wearing earrings, and so on), it gets a LOT easier to remember them because of the crazy mental picture you made! I memorized that list about a week or two ago and I still haven't forgotten it, even though it's completely irrelevant to anything in my daily life.
I'm thinking this incubation technique (associate your problem with your desired result) works on somewhat the same principle as the memory technique, so maybe making the association between your problem and the object you want to dream about crazy or fantastical would make it stand out in your brain even more.
Of course, I'm no expert, and I could just be spouting nonsense, but it's an interesting concept that I think should be explored.
Perhaps we're all reality-walkers. But how would you really know? When a new reality is occupied everything there is exactly as it has always been. So nothing would have really empirically changed.
I have understanding where this information originally came from, and the mechanics behind it, however have not experienced it myself personally other than brief glimpses of synchronicity where events flow in the direction of your choosing.
I heard the information many years ago from a spiritual channeller who was quite popular at the time channelling the messages of a being known as Bashar. You should still be able to find the Bashar channelings on youtube somewhere, not sure which one it is where he specifically relays this concept. In the video, Bashar explains that we are constantly jumping into different reality timelines and says that with each passing moment we move into new timelines that are in alignment with what we are expecting and also based on our previous frame of reference. So if you were sitting at your computer reading this, that moment has now passed, that was your last frame of reference. The next frame of reference is this one, you are still at your computer right? Okay, so lets maybe not try changing the next few frames, maybe the one 10 frames from now?
You get the idea, but expectations are not just a conscious choice, you have to remember we have a subconscious too which accounts for around 90% of the things we do (or so they say). Subconscious is more like a conditioned mind, where things that are done regularly by the conscious mind, get put on auto-pilot. So then, it's about changing your conditioning, which is to say changing your beliefs. If you don't believe it's possible, then it won't be. To quote Morpheus here "you have to let it all go, fear, doubt, and disbelief".
Further to that, channelled messages from Kryon say we are in a 3D state of being, when our true nature is a quantum state. We can achieve this quantum state through meditation, and once realised and recognised enough you start to live from this deeper quantum state. It's this kind of state of being we need to be in, to achieve these things.
I don't heavily believe channelled messages, but I do pick out the information that resonates with me as truth evident based on my previous experiences. If it aligns with something I've experienced in the past, I will investigate and justify if it's worth considering as correct. Indeed, all these things agree with what I've discovered, that reality in it's infinite potential all exists within the present moment. We are often daydreaming in our minds, worrying about the past or future when the present moment is always constant. You can't go back to the past, you can't fast forward to the future, we can only make change in the present moment. So the idea that we are both consciously and subconsciously picking out a timeline to experience from the infinite timeless now makes sense to me. It also explains some of the principles discussed in 'the secret' about manifesting your dreams, using a vision board, to make future imagined events a reality.
For the average person, it's too difficult to achieve a quantum state of being, recondition their beliefs and mental programming. The only way I see it happening is by slowly becoming aware, and making slight changes here and there that don't alter drastically from the last frame of reference. This way it's more likely to happen as the change isn't so big that it's unfathomable, and you become aware of this as a natural process present in reality gradually over time by being on the lookout for it, which has the added effect of increasing your ability to slowly gain control. This takes effort and mental control which again, for the average person is too difficult so most will dismiss it as woowoo netflix level 10, then continue on being programmed by TV programming.
Now here is an interesting thing:
So I wrote a whole paragraph about this phenomenon of pop culture latching onto things that are embedded in a astrophysicists' work that have (usually purely symbolic) meaning only to mathematicians and particle physicists, and then making them "real" things in our macroscopic material world, regardless of the staggering odds against their possibility (i.e., it beggars the mind to think that uncounted trillions of new timelines/universes are created every day, since billions of minds are making decisions every minute of every day -- that seems like a very sloppy way to run Reality, especially when you consider the amount of energy that would require), and then, right when I finished writing it -- and for the first time ever for me on DV -- the page blinked and my post disappeared... maybe someone shifted reality to get my course words out of the thread? Gotta wonder. Anyway, that's not really why I was posting; this is:
I decided several years ago to take this Infinite Realities/timelines thing seriously (even though I don't take things like channeled spirits or The Secret very seriously, and never will). I focused the bulk of my time on doing exactly what Eonnn described above. I did it all, including truly believing --- in waking life and in LD's -- that I could shift to another timeline where certain bad things wouldn't happen, where I had done the things I had failed to do in my youth and was now a famous novelist, or a successful microbiologist, or a wealthy investor, or --and most important to me -- my wife and I were perfectly healthy living precisely the life we wish we could live. And, after many months, absolutely nothing changed... and I won't even go into the time I tried the quantum stuff, with similar effort and similar results.
I know this is anecdotal, and I might just not have the chops to do this amazing stuff, but I figured it might be worth sharing... hopefully the Powers That Be won't delete it this time! ;)
You know, I'm reading a book on this now. I don't how I feel about the book, but.. I do believe in the theory. Just a gut feeling, mixed with dream voices and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
Here's what I think: we reality shift all the time, but don't know it. Little shifts. We reality-shift big-time only when we face great fears, and as a result of facing such fears, take action toward changing our lives. Natural action, not us on a quest or something. Just doing what seems natural, but it's different than what used to feel natural. Because we're less afraid. Because our desires are coming in to focus.
I say this, but I don't want to face any more great fears. But I have done some of that in my life (getting out of a really bad marriage, working after a decade of being a housewife, etc.). Those big jumps really do show how reality shifts. It's all about facing the emotions we feel.. the difficult ones, anyways.
Sageous I'm sorry you lost your epic post that really sucks, hate when that happens. There is another way to 'reality hop' and it's by looking out for opportunities that present themselves and then acting on them immediately without hesitation. No matter how small the opportunity, if you take it, it will lead to another one and then another, and so on. Most people need to weigh things up first or are fearful to take the required action when an opportunity arrives, and then within an instant, the opportunity has passed.
The other question people need to ask themselves is how easily can you reality hop in your lucid dreams? if it's not easy in dream life, then it will be even harder in waking life. Practicing in lucid's first might be a good idea.
Also, I've given up trying to convince skeptics on things of this nature including anything else that is esoteric or spiritual. It just ends up in an argument most the time, and to quote Morpheus again "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it." So now, instead I just present the information for any truth seeker to find that may stumble across it, the people who still have their mind closed will one day see the light, maybe not today or in this life time but the information will be there for when they do.
I wasn't arguing, Eonnn, just offering an anecdotal example, and also my opinion about deciding that something is real because it showed up in a mathematician's equations. In truth, esoterica is a large part of my life, even if I am careful to maintain a narrow vein of skepticism just to ward off delusion, because delusion never helps. For instance, recently I imagined a curious possibility for time travel that fits nicely in this thread:
First, you must assume that dream-sharing is real. If it is real, it must exist outside the rules of space and time. This is because reports of dream-sharing seem to defy known physics (i.e., people dreamshare from different parts of the world, occasionally when they are sleeping at different relative times...it doesn't seem appropriate here, but I go into this here, if you're interested -- my views have evolved since then, but the basics are still there, I think). Given that, and toss in a couple of other things I've been considering (like that there is a unique energy created by our conscious thoughts, which is independent of space/time rules, and also that time itself might not exist), it isn't hard to imagine sharing a dream with yourself with that target self being sometime in the past. The process would be simple: just remember a dream you had in the past and join yourself there -- simple, yes, but really really hard to do, at least for me to date.
And that's just one thing; so please don't assume I'm some sort of materialistic skeptic simply because I choose to sigh lightly at the ability humans, myself included, have for attaching hope and meaning to pretty much anything, in this case the musings of mathematicians and astrophysicists. Just because some guy says there must be multiverses for his math to work doesn't mean we can all create our own universes with a decision. Magical thinking is a fine thing, but it might be better to simply stick to magic itself -- with it you do the same thing (alter your reality without physical means), but with magic you're just altering, and not creating (or hopping into) a new reality; seems a lot easier. Just sayin', not arguing!
Speaking of that:
This sounds more like an interesting life choice than it does creating new timelines; what am I missing here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
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That is certainly true, but keep in mind that reality-hopping in dreams, lucid or not, is almost a given. This is because your dream is your own created universe, so changing realities, or dreamscapes, really is the result of a decision, just as the options for that change are indeed infinite.... but that is in dreams, where the World is You; does that really translate to waking-life, where you are just part of the World, and not is creator?Quote:
The other question people need to ask themselves is how easily can you reality hop in your lucid dreams? if it's not easy in dream life, then it will be even harder in waking life. Practicing in lucid's first might be a good idea.
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In addition to what I said above about my esoteric vocation: Keep in mind that, in the context of The Matrix, Morpheus was trying to describe a world that really was one Neo could change, because that world was a computer construct into which Neo's brain was wired. Unless we're all not experiencing reality but instead are coppertops plugged into a giant machine and we're having life projected into our comatose minds, then Morpheus' words might not work here, in a universe that will exist just fine without us. Shouldn't truth-seekers be shown the truth, rather than some distracting stuff that sounds really cool but may have no basis in reality? The Truth, after all, might be far more impressive even than reality-hopping; does it make sense to cloud a seeker's mind with stuff that might wind up obscuring that Truth, once they are able to open their minds?Quote:
Also, I've given up trying to convince skeptics on things of this nature including anything else that is esoteric or spiritual. It just ends up in an argument most the time, and to quote Morpheus again "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it." So now, instead I just present the information for any truth seeker to find that may stumble across it, the people who still have their mind closed will one day see the light, maybe not today or in this life time but the information will be there for when they do.
Okay, maybe I'm arguing a little... sorry! But I hope you can understand that my skepticism is not based in a need to disprove your ideas, but rather in a much deeper need to suggest to truth seekers that not all paths are worth following, and once they're on a misleading path, they might find it very difficult to get back on the one that leads, finally, to Truth.
Sageous, sorry I only directed the first sentence at you! I don't think you're close-minded at all... sorry I was just making a blanket statement because I've found time and again, if I discuss these things with skeptics they will just dismiss it, not want to hear it or fight back and argue (again, not calling you a skeptic or pointing this at you <3)
This is what I meant by that Morpheus quote as well, that they will fight to protect their closed minded belief system.
I understand you tried reality jumping with little to no success, even after putting considerable effort into it. Likewise, this is much the same for me... I am still open to the possibility of it though. Just because we tried and failed, doesn't mean it's not possible. My base core belief is that anything is possible, and any other beliefs all stem from there. Keep in mind that possible doesn't mean probable or do-able, we could just be missing some key element at the time which makes certain things unachievable.
There's a good video by Robert Anton Wilson, where he goes into detail how belief's shape our perceptions. Basically, your perception get's closed off to seeing things which don't fall in line with your belief system so if you want to perceive more, you have to remove limiting beliefs. Robert tries to go about life without any beliefs, and even admits that not having any beliefs is a belief in itself! so it's pretty much impossible to not have a belief system, the best alternative then is to have a belief system which is open to all perceptions, possibilities, opportunities and outcomes. If you're not keen on being open to all perception, you can actually limit your belief system in such a way that you only perceive good things and expect good things. There is a saying "your energy goes where your focus flows" so if you are only putting your focus on the good, then energy flows only into good, and more good things happen. It's like closing off your perception to bad things, because your belief system doesn't accommodate for it.
There was a time I was staying in shared accommodation, and I would notice little opportunities here and there that would come up throughout the day. If I took the opportunity before me, it would lead directly to another greater opportunity. Likewise, if I didn't take the opportunity the rest of the day would go to crap. For example, I notice no one is using the washing machine (normally someone is always using it) - small but perfect opportunity to get those clothes washed so I do that, then straight after something better presents itself as an opportunity. It can start off small, like a free chair right in front of the TV or someone reversing out a parking spot right outside the entrance, then you just lookout for the next available opportunity which if you took the last one, will pop up almost immediately afterwards. It's like being in the 'flow-state' or in tune with nature/reality so that you are constantly in perpetual momentum moving from one good thing to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
Just thought of another way to reality shift.
Take everything you are aware of right now in this moment and move it all into the timeline of your choosing. The whole house, or area, everything you can see, hear, feel as far as you are currently aware of in this moment right now, picture what potential timeline you would like it all to be on then move it onto that timeline. Don't ask me how, no right or wrong way, just do whatever feels right to you. This idea works off the principle that we only manifest into form the things are aware of in any given moment.
Daniel Love knows belief is quite powerful and can create realities. What we uphold to be true, with absolute certainty, will mould the dreamscape.
Hi Sageous, This looks like a fun topic even if I am 6 weeks behind. I have a mixed view here. I 100% believe this stuff, but must qualify that. I doubt one can go into a dream and end up in a new version of reality, but am open to anything assuming enough thought form energy was available. I just think it is not likely enough at a human level of power to worry about. I also think changing things that have already been decided is unlikely. I notice in your examples you were focused on changing from a pre-existing version of the world into one that had a different past. If that is possible I am unaware of it, but wouldn't that be cool, and it is an endless source of my own fantasizing "what if."Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
Here is the world as I know it. None of this is taking up any space. It is a creation much like a dream being had by a God. I think of it like a video game world such as World of Warcraft. How much distance between this tavern in the game and some castle in the game? A game player may say "it takes about 5 minutes to run between or about 20 times what fits on one screen or 1000 times the length of my character's body." The real answer is there is no distance between any two points in the game as it is not real, it is easily stored a thousand times over on a small piece of hardware.
Now think of a save game point in that system. Say the game is saved a few moments before the dragon flies over the town. From the point of the character you can not go back 30 minutes before that, you can only go forward from there. However, you could play 10 different versions of how the next part goes. Each is easily stored in the hard drive. Are they in fact diverging realities? Complete worlds that can carry forward on their own, but each made different by the choices made after the save point.
I will not go on about games, but that lays the frame for the concept of many worlds each a little different. Being able to grasp this and then accept that that may be the case is the starting point.
My dad always said that bit, "anything the mind of man can conceive and believe it can achieve." I was confused and confrontational as a kid. "could I ride my bike up the side of that tree?" Him "Can you conceive of a way to do it?" Me"no." Then you are not proving it wrong. Dream from a God like force, E=MC2, matrix in a processor, those are go to for conceiving it as possible. Now, can one believe it? How about parts of it. I do not believe I can go into a dream and come out living another life, but some stuff may be something easy to believe. I believe that I can send thought back in time through Yogic skill and direct it at a younger version of myself. I will not change because my actions were set but if many versions of me that may make new realities are getting thoughts back and maybe using it to become new awesome versions of me. time passes, an older version of me sends thoughts back then I as the younger version of me can use the info and branch off like a new save point were I made better actions. If you have a habit of sending info into the past eventually another version of you will send you info from the future. A version of you will go and eventually follow the path that led to that older man but when reality divided any newly created versions can use that knowledge.
That is one example to make a point. Splits are happening all the time this is happening in the same point in time you occupy. Something branches off and you intend to be the you version that does not get screwed, you intend to be the version of you that hear the great news from the doctor or employer. Knowing many versions of things are going to happen makes you want to steer yourself down the paths that are best for you. The details on how to steer this path is sort of esoteric and paying attention with a belief that opportunity is there somewhere for you to find. Belief that there is one better course you could take and finding it.
Final though on traffic, to bring it down a level. If I stop at an intersection and have not looked left, only looking right. The stuff to the left has yet to be determined. I see it will take 45 seconds before that side clears. I can not wish a version where those cars are gone. The second I see them they are in my dream. I have not looked the other way. I know the other way will be clear when I finally look 45 seconds from now. This is done just like dream control. I will not allow a thought that there will be traffic. If I had seen a long line of cars i would have trouble picturing me easily crossing which is the goal. Are there cars or not coming from the left? It has yet to be determined, Follow every mental trick for dream control "of course it will be very easy to cross" When the traffic to the right passes fully expect the traffic on the left to leave you a perfect space for crossing. I am actually saying the cars on the street are not predetermined until you see them or they run into you. The moment you see them then the version of reality is set and those are the cars you have to deal with.
Trying to change the past so that you are healthy now may be to far beyond humans, but knowing many futures exist and in some you are very lucky and a cure/surgery works, or something goes into remission is believable so now how to go into that reality from this save point rather than any of the bad ones. Again, it is a lot like dream control.
I am sure I wandered and was not very clear, as I have had a couple glasses of wine and am tired. Maybe it will add to the topic, maybe not.
Hi Sageous, I'm somewhat new to the 5d thing (if that's what's being discussed here) but can give you a retroactive perspective on how this seems to have worked for me without even knowing I was doing it, and how trying my suggestion may help you.
You may have sabotaged your own attempt with such a declaration from the get go. Many years ago I watched the Secret (as well as What the Bleep Do We Know...) and as open minded as I am about things I mostly viewed the secret off as 'wishful thinking', as well. However, until I can verify or debunk from personal experience I leave the channel of info open. I did find What the Bleep easier to take in, BTW, as they offered a little more scientific examples. But anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
I'm not sure what "truly beliving" means or how that can be measured, honestly. To me, it's still 'wishing'. It is essentially what prayer and intention is. Depends on your faith. Principle is the same- It's wanting something with thought (within), then expecting that thing or change to manifest 'out there' (reality?). Now, here's where I think the trick is- and I'm in no way saying I'm some guru, but I really believe I expereienced this manifestation, and it was without actually trying or intending it. I'll explain briefly, and what I believe the difference was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
I'm a daydreamer. A compulsive obsessive hopless uncurable daydreamer. If there was such a thing as a profession, I'd be the fuckn Elon Musk of it (or something). This, mind you, was something I was not proud of. It's childish. Immature for someone my age to daydream. But, it makes me FEEL good. It takes me away from 'reality' that can be so unfullfiing, painful, or difficult. It's not so much about what you envision or believe- I think it's more about how it effects your emotions. Your mood. Your heart. I know it sounds 'lovey dovey'- but it's not, really. :P
The mind is a son-of-a-bitch (sorry, mind, but you are). It overthinks things- that's it's job. It breaks things down and looks at the pieces. The heart, is like the right brain-- it's sees the whole. I believe, that when we 'wish', 'pray', put out an 'intention', it has to be from heart. Not mind. Look at the detail you provided: novelist, wealthy investor, microbiologist... that's all detail. Mind.
This is getting long- so I won't even attempt to give you my experience. I will only say that it was not until after I noticed certain details and synchronicities in what manifested for me, that I realized it was my own doing. Things I had written, drawn, situations I played out in my mind. Instead of wishing for 'money', 'big house', etc, etc... I think the trick is to think of what those things provide. Is it security? Comfort? Happiness? Try focusing on that- the emotions. The feeling those things you want will get you. Sure, you can use being a wealthy microbiologist to get that feeling, somehow- but it's emotion you want to attain. The 'frequency' or 'vibration' we hear about so often. Now I get it. Raise your frequency, the 'universe' will figure out the details. Not the other way around.
Anyway, hope you made it to the end-- sorry for post length but I got so much more I could get into but just take that nugget for whatever it's worth. Things are happening at a much faster pace now, so you may not have to wait years. I'm noticing things moving faster now for me, anyway. I did, unfortunately, suffer a setback- or feel like I have. But I'm learing that it's very likely part of the process before taking my next leap forward- and it could even be a big one. <fingers crossed>
I put this out there in hopes it could help anyone in taking theirs.
Namaste.
I've heard similar, and that if your intention aligns with the greater good then it's more likely to manifest i.e. if it affects other people than just yourself, and the effect is beneficial for all involved it's more likely to be manifested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tornado Joe
Just my 2 cents here.
"Yourself", "Beneficial to all" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
Funny, if you subscribe to the belief that we are all, in fact, one- then... ;-)
LOL, well... while that is true, I am not you right now am I? and likewise you are not me right this moment. Perhaps in a different incarnation or time period you experience from my perspective, and me from yours but right now we are for lack of a better word 'separate'.
It's true we are all made of same material, all originating from same stardust with consciousness serving as the foundation for experience (without consciousness you can't experience anything!). So we are all connected and the people we meet are all aspects of the the one universal consciousness but we only experience life through one perspective at a time, unless you're able to step out into 3rd person perspective and above - but if you could do that, you could probably control multiple people not just yourself and it's not exactly an easy feat to achieve in waking life although I have heard it's possible.
I often put it this way to people:
We are god incarnating through multiple perspectives as a way to experience reality on a personal level.