How to awaken during sleep for obe4u method / what to do mentally while awake

I mean they say, to move the perceived body and not the physical muscles. I don't get this point, and also the cycles, the rotation feeling, what should I do with it??
Thanks a lot!!

There is a "shift" from pure physical and waking condition to the dream state... but you are still completely holding the waking conscious state. The obe4u site calls this the "phase" maybe because you "phase" into the new state without falling into pure dreaming awareness. Robert Monroe called it "mind awake -- body asleep" because I think he moved around in his mind without feeling a subtle body imitation/form.

You might not actually be "separated" from the body but you are operating an inner, subtle form that often feels like a separate body. You can be walking around your house in the subtle form while the physical body is in the sleep state. How truly separated you might be is a debatable term.

This is really difficult to explain to someone that has never felt it. Rank beginners must simply follow the directions exactly and to the letter. Do not move the physical body. That requires physical motion and this method involves moving what might be called an imaginary body and is effortless when managed correctly.

There is a method that I think the obe4u site called "phantom wiggling" which is a good way to gain an understanding of this. You simply imagine a subtle hand and you imagine moving the subtle fingers and it requires absolutely zero tension in the actual physical hand. If you are tensing any physical muscles you are missing the trick. It must be a completely effortless action yet filled with full focus and clarity of intent.

But for the traditional wild, after getting into the vibrational stage, we are supposed to roll over right?
And that's an actual bodily movement, isn't it??
And by moving my fingers, you mean I should just think of it clearly and think about how it feels, but never actually do it?

Thanks a lot!!!

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Originally Posted by Princessflare

But for the traditional wild, after getting into the vibrational stage, we are supposed to roll over right?
And that's an actual bodily movement, isn't it??
And by moving my fingers, you mean I should just think of it clearly and think about how it feels, but never actually do it?

Thanks a lot!!!

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Once you have the vibrations you absolutely do NOT physically roll over. You roll out in the subtle body. If you are in the vibration stage you are 90% there and a simple intention to gently roll to the side is all it takes.

When you wiggle the fingers you simply move the imaginary, subtle body fingers. If you actually move the physical fingers it hits the reset button and you fall back to square one. It is not as bad as it sounds, though. You can usually regain lost ground very quickly by calmly returning to the subtle, imaginary body with clear and focused intention.

Hi,
I notice that when I set the alarm from Friday to Sunday I end up awakening maybe 1.5 to 2 hours before the alarm and either skip the alarm or if I get up I go back to sleep. The alarm app I'm using is called Alarmy. I remember one of the only few times I awoke for maybe 10 - 20 minutes I awoke but didn't do / attempt the "separation" / cycling techniques because I was physically and mentally tired.

Any advice / tips?

Thanks.

Being physically tired is good. If you are "mentally" tired it is game over before you even start.

Using an alarm for the first weekend or two is fine. After that you need to have sufficient strength of intent to wake up at 4am (or whatever time desired). Clear focus and strong intent is required to simply wake up at the desired time.

This is just step one. The ability to maintain clear focus and clarity of awareness must be high in order to even navigate the LD state for more than a few seconds.

A few months of work on Mental Stamina might be required for many aspirants. In some cases a few years of work might be needed. Each individual has their own prep work to do.

Hi,
I woke up last night and stayed up for 25 minutes. I noticed that I had a vivid dream with a dream character and want to know tips on how to notice / know I'm in a dream? I also didn't wake up multiple times.

Any advice / help on how to tell I'm dreaming?

Thanks.