Thread: Dream Memory

Well... all of our memories are back there somewhere. Dreams bring out some of the more inaccessible ones on occaision (like childhood memories), so it stands to reason that they will occaisionally bring up past dreams.

A second memory for them? I don't know about that. That seems strange.


I'm trying to remember if this has ever happened to me, but I can't... heh heh

For me, it's what usually triggers lucidity. My dream body has thinks back to a memory of a previous dream in which I was in a similiar situation, and remembered, "hey, I had trouble with flying in that dream too", thereby triggering lucidity.

That is very interesting. It may not be that we have a separate memory but a separate ability to remember. As I read this it reminded me of what was probably the first dream I ever remembered. I could have been as young as 2 for all I can remember.(55 now) It would haunt me every night it seemed. I would hear a clickety clop, clickety Clop like the hoofs of a horse, over and over. Night after night this would go on and it would scare me. Then one night I started to realize in the dream it was a donkey trotting down a familiar road in waking life. Still night after night I would hear the sound again but now I new it was a donkey on its way and it would be traveling down that same familiar road. But still it was a mystery and scared me until one night I started to wake up wile the sound was present. Low and behold I discovered it was my head and ear on my arm I guess and I was hearing my heart beet. No more was it a nightmare. Someday I’m going to go to that road again in real life and see if it sparks memories of dreams.

Oh, good! Somebody else has noticed that a huge store of Dream Memories can be accessed if one decides to remember from within a dream. One of my dream habits is to exercise my memory on what I did the last time I was at or nearby whatever current dream location I find myselt at, and it invariably opens up a load of memories.

it makes me wonder whether dreams continue on and one, even when we are not dreaming. We are aware of our Dreams when we are in REM, but perhaps the Dream Self is ALWAYS dreaming, whether we are along for the ride or not. But we DO have access to Memories if only we can trigger the memory process. And all it takes to remember is the will to remember. "What happened the last time I was around here?"

I remember dreams whilst dreaming usually... and they're almost always lucid dreams. I just randomly think "Hey wait, this happened in that dream and therefore this must happen in this one." Once again, maybe I never actually did have the dream I remembered in the dream. The subconscious has a tricky way of acting. Understanding exactly how it works is like trying to shift the Earth with your bare hands... and mastering it is like saying you can move the universe with your bare hands.

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
... It may not be that we have a separate memory but a separate ability to remember....

What I think is happening with this Dream Memory Phenomena is that our Dream Persona is actually a distinct Persona Structure and has its own complex of Memories. It can be compared to Dissociation Schizophrenia, or what they popularly call 'Multiple Personality Disorder' where whenever we have the rise of one Personality, the other would invariably experience a memory blackout during that time span... well, now that I think about it, in some cases we had dominant of incorporative personalities that could remember the experiences of its subjudgated personas, but that these sub-personas could not remember those of the Dominant Personality. But the instances remain intact of Personalities being disconnected from the Memory Complexes of other Persona Structures.

So it seems that whether entirely Lucid, or just having a REM Dream experience which is remembered upon awakening, that the Waking Self is only something of a Guest in the Dream World, but is not completely integrated and unified with the Dreamer Persona who has his own Memories. However, it is one step toward Integration to access the Dreamer's Memories whenever one has the opportunity.

Indeed, that reminds me that it probably would not be a bad idea, when in Lucid Dreams, to take Memory Access in both directions, that is, while accessing the Dream Memory for our Waking Benefit, we could also apply our Waking Memory for the benefit of the Dream Persona, who can't be too far off in the Dream.

Which raises a particular possible difficulty, which is that in the context of a Lucid Dream it may be that the Waking Persona has entirely ejected the Dreamer Persona out of its train of Consciousness. Again the example can be made to Dissociative Schizophrenia, Multiple Personality Disorder, in which one Persona step in and take over from another, and the other goes into 'black out'. Perhaps Lucidity inflicts a Memory Black Out upon the Dreaming Persona, and it is for THAT REASON that Dream MInd so often resists Lucidity.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


the Waking Self is only something of a Guest in the Dream World

Seems all too true

Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten
The subconscious has a tricky way of acting. Understanding exactly how it works is like trying to shift the Earth with your bare hands... and mastering it is like saying you can move the universe with your bare hands.

It is said that a butterfly flapping its wings affects air currents on the opposite side of the world. ?? Imagine how we affect each other.

/drunkrant on/

That means with every fart I have the power of like 30 butterflies, just think of the chaos I could cause, hell I might even be responsible for the tsunamis that indonesia experienced.. oh wait that was due to a massive shift int he tectonic plates in the earths crust...


If you honetly think that the flap of a butterflys wings can cause such a large change in the earths weather patterns you have a lot to learn.

Granted while one weather system affects another on a global scale we are talking about systems that have tad more behind them than a flap of a butter fly wing.

And you know what... Butterfly pisses me off.. its a

FLUTTERBYE.... Butterfly makes no sense.. flutterbye is exactly what they do so why in the hell do you call em butterflies? Kuz everyone else does..


Thats the annoying thing about hollywood, you hear something that sounds smart and you have everyon reciting it like its a fuckin fact. Do a little research please.

The flap of a butterflys wing is going to be absorbed and dissapated into the weather system located in that area.

Yes we are connected yes the earth as a whole works as one unit. But to say the flap of a butterflys wings can cause a storm in palau is somewhat naive, normaly im not so mean, but i guess I am gettin annoyed with life as we know it.

If youve anything mean to say just be mindful that I will burp in your general direction and cause a typhoon to form in your area.

/drunkant off/

We are all connected, where exactly do we begin and end? the matter that makes us up is mostly empty space, the electron shells pretty much interfacing with the air around us ect ect its all the same, when you boil down to a quantum level we are just a foam of matter.

Our consiousnesses however thats a bit interesting. Since I cannot perceive as you do we know that our consiousnesses are not quite connected, even though that science today states that our consiousness is merely the cumulative quantum state of our brain at any given time.

mreh.. i shouldent be onlin now.

Goddamit here I am replying again...


Seriously the reson that we resist lucidity on alot of occaisons is that because we have grown up in a society today that has taught us and has molded us to be material simple creatures.

And that annoys the hell out of me because I am having a hell of a time unlearning that crap I was lucky and my parents didnt instill this thought into my head so much... So I do kinda stupid shit like falling 25 feet out of a tree and getting up, getting thrown end over end a good 30 feet in the air and being dragged across the ground. Mebby I was lucky mebby Im just to stupid to know that I should have been seriously hurt. Who knows. Shit evil kinevival did it right? he lived, mostly because he wanted to. The injuries he sustained shoulda killed him but they didnt. Its all up here thats what matters.

I know that I am more than what everyone else can see, I know that my consiousness is not dependent on the brain in my head, if you want dig and you can find my stance on the whole spirit brain thing. or just ask. uggg speaking of, my brain kinda hurts now.

Hmm well it acutally depends on when you were born dosent it..

I mean look at todays kids?


They are being exposed to magic and what it can do at an early age, they are being taught to use their imaginations and that anything is posible given you impart enough will to the task I kinda like this. It makes me curious as to how my younger sister of 11 years of age is going to develop, they call her Evan 2 as she acts much like I did a kid, ADHD whole 9 yards, thing is she is growing and learing in a different envrionment than I. I wonder if she will be capable of attaining a lucid state here in this place one day... ooook See the bad thing about just typing your mind is that you can hit the backspace key but what fun would it be then if no one knew of your random thoughts, so here is my mind on a platter for you to dissect


WHEEEEEE



*sighs*

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
It is said that a butterfly flapping its wings affects air currents on the opposite side of the world.

this, of course, is based on Chaos Theory, but it is a common misconception. let's look at an example. Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana on 29 August. let's say that this was, indeed, caused in part by a butterfly flapping it's wings in, say, india. now, let's say that this butterfly does not exist. now, perhaps the hurricane would hit on 28 August, or 30 August, or maybe just five minutes later than it actually did. the point here is that the butterfly does not cause the hurricane to strike, it only affects when it will strike. a hurricane was bound to strike eventually, it was only a question of timing. so, in theory, a butterfly flapping its wings can affect air currents on the opposite side of the world to the extent that they can change the timing of events that would have happened anyway. it cannot, however, cause entirely new events to happen that would not have happened. of course, in practice, what serinath said about "The flap of a butterfly's wing is going to be absorbed and dissapated into the weather system located in that area" is probably true.

Seems a couple of members just got out of the wrong side of the bed today. Water boils at 212 F 100 degrees C and 14.7-psi ambient pressure no matter where it exists in the universe. These are observations of fact and all the spiritual contemplations do not and have not changed the laws of physics. So what is your problem? Fellows? Hmmm. Missed a day or two of science class maybe?

Originally posted by dreamtamer007

It is said that a butterfly flapping its wings affects air currents on the opposite side of the world. ?? Imagine how we affect each other.

Go tell the president. If that is true then to stop terrorism in baghdad all we would have to do is go to somewhere in Brazil i think and make all the butterflies flap their wings.

and what does the last part mean?

Originally posted by AlternateReality


Go tell the president. *If that is true then to stop terrorism in baghdad all we would have to do is go to somewhere in Brazil i think and make all the butterflies flap their wings.

and what does the last part mean?

If a 50 thousand ton train (A) goes head on and hits another 50 thousand ton train (B) does it have any effect on Train (A)? Of course it does. If it runs into a 25-ton object does it still? How about a 12.5-ton object and so on? Where is the limit where it no longer has an effect on the train? Does it no longer have an effect at 5 pounds? How about when hitting a Butterfly? How about when hitting a half of a Butterfly? Theoretically all mass has some effect on other mass. Even light which is said to have no mass. In the future spacecraft will accelerate hour after hour just buy using light to push it. If you paid attention in science (physics) class you would know and understand these principals.

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Go tell the president. If that is true then to stop terrorism in baghdad all we would have to do is go to somewhere in Brazil i think and make all the butterflies flap their wings.[quote]
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Your intention is well meant. If it would work, I would take the time to compose a letter to him. Unfortunately the effects would be of the minimal.

interesting.

lately, i will have a dream in the first or second REM cycle of the night, and then remember it while i am in an unrelated dream later on in the night. and yet i never become lucid, i just think "oh, i'm remembering a dream i had last night.."
sighs.

and, somewhat related, i had a very bizarre experience tonight having to do with remembering dreams.

i saw a clip of two kids skiing on television, and i asked myself if i was dreaming, and just as i asked it....i was 'transported' in my mind's eye back to a dream i had years ago, which involved me going on a ski trip, and looking at a pair of skis stuck into a snow bank.

it was quite bizarre. that dream wasn't anything memorable. i don't remember a single dream from more than a few months ago that stands out. and yet, i defintely remember having dreamt it.

it made me wonder why it would suddenly come flooding back, triggered by a scene of skiing, when i've seen hundreds of similar scenes over the years. the only conclusion i came up with is that its somehow related to my efforts to remember dreams, and attain lucidity.

[wisdom from a science geek]

Originally posted by dreamtamer007+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dreamtamer007)</div>

Theoretically all mass has some effect on other mass.[/b]

this is true. every object in the universe is gravitationally attracted to every other object in the universe. i don't think this is quite what you mean, though. you're talking about action/reaction, in which case it is still true. if i am floating in an empty void with only a pencil, and i push that pencil away from me, it will go floating off in the direction i push it (say North, which is aribtrary, since i'm in an empty void). i will go floating off in the opposite direction (South), although at a much slower speed. my momentum will be equal to the momentum i impart to the pencil, although in the opposite direction. since momentum is mass times velocity, and since i have a much higher mass than the pencil, i would necessarily have a much lower velocity.

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Even light which is said to have no mass. In the future spacecraft will accelerate hour after hour just buy using light to push it.

this is not quite accurate. light, of course, is energy. energy and mass are interchangable. remember the famous equation E=mc^2? although even saying they are interchangable is slightly misleading. it would be more accurate to say that they are identical. it's a radical concept, but according to quantum physics, at the most fundamental, sub-atomic level, there really isn't any difference between mass and energy. we can look at light as a particle (mass) or a wave (energy). both are equally valid, even though they seem mutually exclusive. too many people still look at the world from a classical/newtonian point of view. once quantum physics is better understood, we will have a radically different outlook on the world.

[/wisdom from a science geek]

sorry about that, i couldn't help myself. it just all came spilling out . . .

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
If you paid attention in science (physics) class you would know and understand these principals.

that's next year