Could Lucid Dreaming help you flirt?!

[Grandi_joost]

The title of this topic is actually i detail of what i want to discuss. The most interesting detail, for all that matters Is it possibile to train yourself by meeting persons from the opposite sex to understand them better in real life? How would you do that? I can imagine myself talking to girls i don't know, just stepping towards them in a dream and start a conversation. Something i wouldn't normally do that often. Maybe trying this in a lucid dream, over and over again, would give me the selfconfidence to try the same thing in reality. That is, when i get a result in my lucid dreams. I even could try different opening lines, just to see how girls react. The question is, what is the value of the repons i get. All these answers actually come from my own fantasy. So there's nothing feminin about it, everything these dream-girls say doesn't have to be realistic at all. But then again, my dream often surprises me in every possible way. The most bizar things happen, but some of them might as well happen in real life. When in my dreams the possibilities are unlimited, i'm surely training my reactions in the limited real world. And this goes for everything you want to improve yourself in. Rehearsing a presentation for school, hiring for a job, playing chess. Another great example: Could you improve your foreign languages by speaking them in lucid dreams? Bottom line: What is the value of having experiences in a lucid dream for making use of them in real life?

[Neruo]

Well good question, I have been wondering the same thing. I don't know or interaction with a DC is even slightly realistic. However I am sure you could learn something in your LD's that can make you better with the girls ^____________^

[Howie]

Lucid dreaming is a terrific environment to practice anything. People say that being social with a woman in a dream has no validation because your own mind made it up. This may be so. But take into consideration the many attributes to the dream scene that the subconscious is manifesting on it's own. I believe it to know much more than we believe. Deep down we all know how to flirt. It is doing it. Getting stared is the hard part. In the dream realm you can make mistakes you don't have the anxiety & pressure of the real world. So I say..Practice on!

[BillyBob]

yeah it would help you

[goku4ever]

maybe, just so your brain knows what kind of reactions girls give, you could ask random girls out and get rejected by them, then in your dream they will be all rejecty, and when you do get one of them, you know youve done something right. Wait that doesnt make much sense, theres way too much of other stuff to take into account. Im not sure if you can practice picking up chicks, wouldnt what you want to happen influence them slightly, and the girl may not act as she would in real life. But it could definetly help with talking to girls and striking up conversations.

[Awhislyle]

Your brain has been programmed for the last 4000 years to be able to talk to woman

[neil2006]

If you go talk to a chick and she turns you down, who cares u will probly never see that person again in your life. From my experences walking up to a random chick and talking to them wont get you far unless your in a place were they might be interested in finding a guy, eg a club / bar. Random people on the street arnt usally interested.

[TygrHawk]

Originally posted by Awhislyle Your brain has been programmed for the last 4000 years to be able to talk to woman Must be a Microsoft program -- it keeps crashing.

[Neruo]

Originally posted by TygrHawk Must be a Microsoft program -- it keeps crashing. lololololol (my watch has windows on it too or something, the screen froze ) Now I really do wonder or your subconcious and concious are rather parted from each other or allmost totally connected. Like couild your subconcious surprise your concious? Becouse if your subconsious can trhow unexpected things at you, you could learn. One has to learn from one's problems.

[suorkaterina]

Well in the books and articles I've read they do talk about athletes, artist and musicians practicing in the dream state. I personally would love to practice singing in my dreams. I could picture a huge opera house and really get into it. I have trouble getting out of myself in real life, so my acting seems a little stifled. But in a dream I could totally break loose and practice that way. Maybe the point in flirting practice is just to get your mind used to the idea of ebing comfortable and confident with women, not trying to figure out what their reactions to your pick up lines would be.

[Awhislyle]

Originally posted by TygrHawk Must be a Microsoft program -- it keeps crashing. hahahahahahaha nice Yeah, but if you talk to a girl in your dream, as long as you dont try to control her too much it should be soemwhhat realistic

[BillyBob]

well carrying on aa conversation with a dream girl wouldnt help you, (its obvious that you dont know how girls really are if your afraid to talk to them) but just walking up to them and stuff in an ld would help you to be less nervous around them

[OpheliaBlue]

Originally posted by Awhislyle Your brain has been programmed for the last 4000 years to be able to talk to woman lmao!

[InTheMoment]

Originally posted by Grandi_joost Is it possibile to train yourself by meeting persons from the opposite sex to understand them better in real life? How would you do that? I can imagine myself talking to girls i don't know, just stepping towards them in a dream and start a conversation. Something i wouldn't normally do that often. Maybe trying this in a lucid dream, over and over again, would give me the selfconfidence to try the same thing in reality. That is, when i get a result in my lucid dreams. I even could try different opening lines, just to see how girls react. The whole process is actually quite simple... 1) Locate a female (preferably travelling alone) 2) Get her attention by flashing something shiny 3) Bonk her on the head with a blunt object 4) Repeat steps 2 and 3 as needed

[Awhislyle]

Why should talking to women be and different than talking to men? When you talk to a friend, you have nothing to prove to them. What is it that you have to prove to women, make then prove themselves to you, not the other way around. Not sure if you can get that, but when you can get that, then everything will be alot easier.

[clockworkoranges16]

Personally, I think that the only time lucid dreaming would actually assist you in interactions with women is when you ask them out and they tell you "In your dreams!" Then you're set! Otherwise i suspect REAL practice would be more beneficial as your brain tends to bend the rules of reality when it comes to that kind of stuff. still, if you need help, go here: http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/ It's funny.[/url]

[Grandi_joost]

Well, first reactions were promising, but the title of the topic attracted too much of the wrong attention I guess. Had quite a laugh about the reactions though . What I wanted to discuss are the possibilities to use lucid experiences in real life. In your dreams there are no boundaries, but what actually happens is limited to your fantasy. But in every dream I have, things happen that I definitely wouldn't have thought of in a million years. Therefore I think I can actually train certain capabilities, such as learning a foreign language, preparing for difficult questions after giving a presentation, socializing with different people. I don't think I will run harder in real life by doing a marathon in every lucid dream I have. But putting yourself in situations where you have to thínk about your reaction will give you an advantage when dealing with such a thing in real life. Not only because of the respons you're getting in your dream, but merely because you don't have to overthink all the possibilities you allready have considered in real life, and found not good enough. In my work I might have to communicate in English over the phone in the near future (in which I'm not very good). I'm thinking of experiencing some of these conversations in my lucid dreams. Would this help me?!

[Alex D]

I guess it would work, hell I need all the help I can get flirting, I just freeze up and blurt out something stupid like "So... uh Ryan, I was thinking... well wondering, you see I... I... uh I THINK YOU NEED A HAIRCUT" (of course the sad part is this happened. =/ ) Originally posted by Awhislyle Yeah, but if you talk to a girl in your dream, as long as you dont try to control her too much it should be soemwhhat realistic What do you mean too much? Surely if you don't at all it would be better.

[DuB]

Originally posted by Grandi_joost Is it possibile to train yourself by meeting persons from the opposite sex to understand them better in real life? How would you do that? I can imagine myself talking to girls i don't know, just stepping towards them in a dream and start a conversation. Something i wouldn't normally do that often. Maybe trying this in a lucid dream, over and over again, would give me the selfconfidence to try the same thing in reality. That is, when i get a result in my lucid dreams. I even could try different opening lines, just to see how girls react. The question is, what is the value of the repons i get. All these answers actually come from my own fantasy. So there's nothing feminin about it, everything these dream-girls say doesn't have to be realistic at all. I think the primary way that this could benefit you is by helping build your confidence. Let's say that you spend most of your dream time approaching women. You will, no doubt, feel and behave more confident in your dream than you would in real life, plus the DC women you approach will mostly likely always be responsive and interested. If you do this over and over and over in your dreams, this prepares you in 2 ways for approaching \"real life\" girls: -You come to expect, at least on a subconscious level, that when you flirt with someone, they will respond positively. This will make you feel more confident. -By becoming accustomed to always feeling confident when approaching women, when you put yourself in a similar situation in real life, your brain could respond by calming your nerves and making you feel more confident, just out of pure habit. Your dreams are literally indistinguishable from real life. So I think this could be a beneficial practice to some degree, although I see the point you're making. So a dream might not be the best place to try out those new one-liners, but that doesnt mean you can't mentally prepare yourself in other ways. Originally posted by Grandi_joost And this goes for everything you want to improve yourself in. Rehearsing a presentation for school, hiring for a job, playing chess. Another great example: Could you improve your foreign languages by speaking them in lucid dreams? Bottom line: What is the value of having experiences in a lucid dream for making use of them in real life? I'm gonna post an excerpt from LaBerge's book, "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming." This book is basically considered the "lucid dreaming Bible," and this excerpt comes from the chapter entitled "Rehearsal for Living." [quote][size=13]How can merely imagining doing something help you to actually do it better? First of all, remember the laboratory work at Stanford showing that when people dream of performing an action, such as singing or engaging in sexual activity, their bodies and brains respond as if they were actually doing it, except that their muscles remain paralyzed by the REM process. Apparently, the neural impulses from the brain to the body are still active and quite similar, if not identical, to those that would accompany the same acts in waking. Likewise, researchers of mental imagery have found that "vivid, imagined events produce innervation in our muscles that is similar to that produced by the actual physical execution of the event." For example, Richard Suinn monitored the electrical activity in the legs of a downhill skier as he mentally relived a race. He found that the skier's muscles exhibited activity in a sequence that corresponded to the layout of the run, showing more activity at times when the skier was imagining navigating turns and rough sections. Imagery rehearsal may work to improve motor skills by strengthening the neural pathways used to elicit the patterns of movement that are required by the skill. There is, however, an important difference between dreamed action and imagined action. When we are awake, the neutral impulses to the muscles created by imagining an action must be somehow attenuated to keep us from acting out what we imagine. If they were not, think what would happen each time you fantasized doing something- say, on a hot day, while sitting at your desk, you think how nice it would be to dive into a lake. If the neural messages caused by your fantasized action were as great as those evoked when you really intended to dive, you would be likely to break your neck in your resultant attempt to dive off the desk. While we dream, our muscles are actively inhibited from moving by the REM process through a different neural pathway than the one that transmits directions to act. The neural messages to our muscles in dreams can be as strong as they are when we are awake. The evidence for the presence of intact, full-strength messages from the brain to the muscles in REM sleep comes from studies with cats. French researcher Michel Jouvet blocked the process that causes muscular paralysis during REM in cats. He found that the cats then moved around in REM, as if they were acting out their dreams. Thus, lucid dreaming may be more powerful than waking mental imagery for motor skill enhancement not only because of the vividness of the imagery, but also because the physiologal nature of REM sleep is ideal for establishing neural patterns without actual movement. Through imagery, or lucid dreaming, athletes could even practice performing movement for which their bodies are not yet physically prepared, setting up neural and mental models for skills; this way the movement models will be ready when the muscles are. I believe that, within the bounds of reason, lucid dreaming can effectively be used to practice certain skills for waking life.