Natural Abilty to Lucid Dream

**Gorky** · 06-10-2006 02:59 AM

I've been talking to my family about LDing lately and it turns out that they all get random low lucidity dreams. Not every night or anything, but they knew exactly what I was talking about. My mom has even experienced the sleep paralysis thing. And they've never even heard of lucid dreams until I told them about it. I've only been researching lucid dreaming and trying to induce one for maybe a month and I've already had 3 or 4. My question is, has there been any research about a persons natural ability to LD and genetics? Is it even possible for it to run in the family? I know lots of other skills don't have anything to do with your family, but since this has to do more with the mind, could it? Opinions? Or is this a stupid question?

**blade5x** · 06-10-2006 05:24 AM

I can induce Sleep-Paralysis easily when I want to (actually there hasn't been one morning when given the time that I failed when I wanted to). My brother has a similar Sleep-Paralysis history to me but hasn't and is to lazy to try and induce them himself. My mom said she had it maybe 2-3 times in her whole life, my dad doesn't recall anything, neither does my older brother. Not sure about my grandparents or cousins, haven't asked them, but I'll get around to it sooner or later.

Some scientists say it's a Sleeping Disorder, those generally do run in the family, but I don't care if it is, it's a pretty awesome one.

**Leo Volont** · 06-10-2006 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Gorky
I've been talking to my family about LDing lately and it turns out that they all get random low lucidity dreams. Not every night or anything, but they knew exactly what I was talking about. My mom has even experienced the sleep paralysis thing. And they've never even heard of lucid dreams until I told them about it. I've only been researching lucid dreaming and trying to induce one for maybe a month and I've already had 3 or 4. My question is, has there been any research about a persons natural ability to LD and genetics? Is it even possible for it to run in the family? I know lots of other skills don't have anything to do with your family, but since this has to do more with the mind, could it? Opinions? Or is this a stupid question?

Its Dreaming.

We aren't talking about playing the Violin here.

It is natural to everybody.

The only thing new and different about Lucid Dreaming is the terminologies involved. People never used to talk about it. Even the great Psychologist Carl Jung never spoke of lucid dreaming. People simply did not speak in those terms. But people did acknowledge Big Dreams, and Vivid Dreams. People were making the correct distinctions. They only did not say Lucid.

Yes, yes, yes... but Lucid Dreams mean that you can control everything. Well, you wish! Most of the popular beliefs, claims, and promises of Lucid Dreaming are in fact Bogus. We can look at our own Pages here and easily discern that considering that we are 'supposed to be able to control everything in Lucid Dreams' a great many people are actually having a quite a bit of difficulty making that an actual fact. What in fact is happening is that a lot of stuff that is supposed to be happening in Lucid Dreaming isn't happening at all. What we have is what we always had -- Big Dreams. Vivid Dreams. The Idea of Lucid Dreams was nothing much more than New Age Hype calculated to sell books and book weekend seminars. Lucid Dreaming was the name of a book that made Stephen Labarge rich. Beyond that, there not much else.

**LunarMoon** · 06-10-2006 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Leo Volont

Its Dreaming.

We aren't talking about playing the Violin here.

It is natural to everybody.

The only thing new and different about Lucid Dreaming is the terminologies involved. People never used to talk about it. Even the great Psychologist Carl Jung never spoke of lucid dreaming. People simply did not speak in those terms. But people did acknowledge Big Dreams, and Vivid Dreams. People were making the correct distinctions. They only did not say Lucid.

Yes, yes, yes... but Lucid Dreams mean that you can control everything. Well, you wish! Most of the popular beliefs, claims, and promises of Lucid Dreaming are in fact Bogus. We can look at our own Pages here and easily discern that considering that we are 'supposed to be able to control everything in Lucid Dreams' a great many people are actually having a quite a bit of difficulty making that an actual fact. What in fact is happening is that a lot of stuff that is supposed to be happening in Lucid Dreaming isn't happening at all. What we have is what we always had -- Big Dreams. Vivid Dreams. The Idea of Lucid Dreams was nothing much more than New Age Hype calculated to sell books and book weekend seminars. Lucid Dreaming was the name of a book that made Stephen Labarge rich. Beyond that, there not much else.

Incorrect. Lucid dreaming has been proven scientific fact since the late 70s and is far from debatable in its existence. The original studies of the 70s were headed by Keith Hearne and the proof was further validated during the 80s, in which several techniques were developed and proven. The most famous of these tests involved cases in which subjects were told to deliver messages at specific moments through eye movements which not only further verified lucid dreaming but also told scientists a good amount about the passing of time in dreams. From these studies, scientist were able to conclude that time in dreams, or at least lucid dreams, usually passes at the same rate as it does in real life, a valuable finding.

The meaning of lucid dreaming also has little to do with vividness (one woman spoke of a black and white lucid dream with little sensation) and entirely to do with a conscious understanding that one is dreaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream#E..._lucid_dreaming

As for the main question of this topic. Like many things, the ability to lucid dream is probably a complex mix of both enviromental and genetic factors. People with experiences in meditation and those in an enviroment that compliments dreaming will naturally be more likely to lucid dream.

**Leo Volont** · 06-10-2006 12:39 PM

Originally posted by LunarMoon

Incorrect. Lucid dreaming has been proven scientific fact since the late 70s and is far from debatable in its existence. The original studies of the 70s were headed by Keith Hearne and the proof was further validated during the 80s, in which several techniques were developed and proven. The most famous of these tests involved cases in which subjects were told to deliver messages at specific moments through eye movements which not only further verified lucid dreaming but also told scientists a good amount about the passing of time in dreams. From these studies, scientist were able to conclude that time in dreams, or at least lucid dreams, usually passes at the same rate as it does in real life, a valuable finding.

The meaning of lucid dreaming also has little to do with vividness (one woman spoke of a black and white lucid dream with little sensation) and entirely to do with a conscious understanding that one is dreaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream#E..._lucid_dreaming

As for the main question of this topic. Like many things, the ability to lucid dream is probably a complex mix of both enviromental and genetic factors. People with experiences in meditation and those in an enviroment that compliments dreaming will naturally be more likely to lucid dream.

Now look at what you just said.

Nothing.

"Lucid Dreaming" is only two words.

Now to say that Lucid Dreaming has been proved by Science... what is that supposed to mean? Well, then it requires a DEFINITION. For Science to Prove Lucid Dreaming, then Lucid Dreaming needs to be assigned a set of Specifications ... Criteria.

Fine. I agree.

Now look at what Science was able to Prove.

Then look at all the New Age Bullshit about Lucid Dreaming.

I'm sure you will find that there is Lucid Dreaming and there is lucid dreaming.

But mostly there is Bull Shit.

**LunarMoon** · 06-10-2006 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Leo Volont

Now look at what you just said.

Nothing.

I feel that I've said quite a bit. You stated that "lucid dreaming" is merely an increase in vividness and I corrected you on that.

"Lucid Dreaming" is only two words.

Now to say that Lucid Dreaming has been proved by Science... what is that supposed to mean? Well, then it requires a DEFINITION. For Science to Prove Lucid Dreaming, then Lucid Dreaming needs to be assigned a set of Specifications ... Criteria[/b]

I’ve already described the definition perfectly and my wikipedia source provided an article on it. Here’s a direct link to the definition in a Lucid Dreaming FAQ.
http://www.web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingF...ucid%20Dreaming

Yes, yes, yes... but Lucid Dreams mean that you can control everything. Well, you wish! Most of the popular beliefs, claims, and promises of Lucid Dreaming are in fact Bogus. We can look at our own Pages here and easily discern that considering that we are 'supposed to be able to control everything in Lucid Dreams' a great many people are actually having a quite a bit of difficulty making that an actual fact.[/b]

Looking at a simple Internet page to disprove commonly studied phenomena is invalid; it’s not a representative of human potential any more than a public consensus of daily exercise is evidence of the impossibility to do so and even with this, you’re left to explain the several users with no gain in lying (most of those without dream control are new users) who claim to have the ability to control dreams (I also claim this). More glaring is the fact that the ability to control dreams has been replicated several times by scientists.
http://www.lucidity.com/NL53.ResearchPastFuture.html

By the way, if it is possible to perform such feats as flying in non-lucid dreams, it makes little sense that lucidity would suddenly rob you of this ability.