Stephen Laberge

[tiddlywink101]

I was wondering if you could somehow have Laberge present on the forum at sometime in the future. Perhaps if someone e-mailed him with an invitation? I'm sure he's a very busy man but thought it a good suggestion anyway

[TweaK]

Why would he be on this forum again?

[Kaniaz]

LaBerge smells. There, no chance of him ever visiting ever ever ever.

[zoo york is cool]

That would be cool if he joined. I have a couple of his books!

[Seeker]

I've just sent Dr. LaBerge an invitation. Thanks for the idea!

[tiddlywink101]

LaBerge smells. There, no chance of him ever visiting ever ever ever. [/b] Dr Laberge is the world authority on Lucid Dreaming and while I personally think that this site is a lot bettter than The Lucidity Institute his books are are a must read if your serious about Lucid Dreaming

[MSG]

:F that'd be cool LaBerge smells? lmao

[Leo Volont]

I've just sent Dr. LaBerge an invitation. Thanks for the idea! [/b] Oh, great. Maybe he'll reply with some brochures for his overpriced exclucively patented hyped up useless shit, and newletters with schedules for his overpriced weekend seminars and two week retreats that will give us lengthy indoctrination sessions on what we either already know, or promises of shit that sounds great but we already know is impossible. No. He will not write in. It would take time and for him time is money.

[Tornado Joe]

LaBerge does know about the site and has seen it. I told him and a couple of his associates about it last year when I attended the dream camp in Hawaii. He has a site of his own (www.lucidity.com) which he was (and still is, I think) in the process of reconstructing. He was very impressed with he site and his associate (Keelin) does come on here to post the lucidity institute's upcoming events. As far as him joining or spending time here, I personaly think that's doubtful. But, I wouldn't put it past him to come on here and lurk every now and then. So you never know.....

[Seeker]

So cynical Leo, but probably correct. Imagine though, creating a new field of study and being able to make a living from something you enjoy....

[Kaniaz]

post the lucidity institute's upcoming events.[/b] Yeah.

[tiddlywink101]

Maybe he'll reply with some brochures for his overpriced exclucively patented hyped up useless shit, and newletters with schedules for his overpriced weekend seminars and two week retreats that will give us lengthy indoctrination sessions on what we either already know, or promises of shit that sounds great but we already know is impossible.[/b] I totally agree with you Leo, but his books are definitive

[SKA]

So cynical Leo, but probably correct. Imagine though, creating a new field of study and being able to make a living from something you enjoy.... [/b] Amen to that! It is the way I want to make a living too eventually, only then with Graphic and Musical Art. Does CERTAINLY not mean that, when I can make lots of money with it, that my Graphic and Musical Expressional work will decrease in Quality because of it. Sure he wont say no to a couple of 1000s of dollars. But then again he is one of the Pioneers when it comes to bringing Lucid Dreaming into Scientific Research. I can only greatly appreciate the man for that. And perhaps he can draw inspiration for new Scientific Research on Lucid Dreaming when he takes a look around in the Topics on this Site: This site yields many treasures of information, insights and individual experiences on the Lucid Dreaming Subject. Yeah I'm possitive about the idea of Inviting him over to this site so he can read the vauable and many information sources on this site.

[SoulSearcherX]

If I could rake in massive coin doing something I enjoy and am passionate about, I'd do it. And I'm not jealous of people who can do it either. He has a book available for $7.50 that teaches you just about everything you need to know about lucid dreaming and how to do it, so it's not like his overpriced seminars and toys are the only things he offers. That's putting it lightly... he has advanced the study of lucid dreaming like no other figure in the West. But hey, if petty jealousy is your thing...

[tiddlywink101]

Were not jealous and I agree with him making a profit on useful things. But if you actually visit his site everything is aimed at selling overpriced junk that you don't realy need. By the way if he does show up, you better get rid of all the Laberge flame threads

[PenguinLord13]

Were not jealous and I agree with him making a profit on useful things. But if you actually visit his site everything is aimed at selling overpriced junk that you don't realy need. By the way if he does show up, you better get rid of all the Laberge flame threads [/b] LOL. I know. I'm sure he has some great books to offer, but I haven't (and won't) read them, as I feel that I can get all the ino here for free in a community environment. While he did advance the science of LDing, and I respect him for that, I think he is a bit overrated, and not worth $2000 seminars. Sometimes I see people talking about LaBerge as if he is the "God of Lucidity" or something, and what he says goes, and saying something is impossible because LaBerge himself says it probably isn't possible since he didn't observe it conclusively. This I disagree with. He is no more "Lucidity God" then anyone else who's been LDing for a long time, and has extreme understanding and skill in LDing. Now back on topic. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if he is a member (though not one who posts frequently) in disguise, not revealing his identity, and giving advice pretending to be your average "Lucid God". But seriously, he probably isn't. He probably occasionally reads here a little, to see what's up with all the LD forums, as this is a big one (one of the first things on google under Lucid Dreaming, which is how I found it). Anyways, he probably would just try to sell Lucidity seminars, and weird disfunctional Lucidity inducing machines. By the way, the forum on Laberges lucidity.com site is way lame. So ugly...

[Seeker]

Get rid of the LaBerge flame threads? No Way! Freedom of speech and all of that. I'm a firm believer in not posting anything you wouldn't want the subject of the post to read.

[TweaK]

I agree Seeker, I mean... get rid of the threads? Then I want every thread that ever has offended me in any way deleted too. I'll drop an Admin/Moderator a PM as soon as the LaBerge threads get deleted, if they ever do.

[Kaniaz]

Yeah, if LaBerge was to show up, I'd hope he was the kind of guy who can take criticism. If not, then call Houston. They can have their problem back*. * BADA BOOSH!

[SoulSearcherX]

Were not jealous and I agree with him making a profit on useful things. But if you actually visit his site everything is aimed at selling overpriced junk that you don't realy need. By the way if he does show up, you better get rid of all the Laberge flame threads [/b] I actually don't visit his site (I assume you are referring to lucidity.com). I went there a couple of times and found the layout of information not very convenient, so I haven't been back. But I just went back there to see if "everything is aimed at selling overpriced junk" as you say. The layout is still crap. There first two things you see are a link for his seminar in Hawaii and his "Lucid Dreaming" book, which they are selling on the site for $13.30 (though I'm sure the shipping cost would pretty much cancel the discount). But after that there are a series of articles, I glanced through a few and it's just information. Again, it's not laid out well (this site does a much better job and presenting an overview of lucid dreaming). And there is one article about the novadreamer, granted, but the novadreamer is no longer available for sale, even on his site. So I don't see how it's possible to spin that into "everything is aimed at selling overpriced junk." That book isn't the best book on lucid dreaming... it's not even his best book... but it's not exactly the most devious scam on Earth at 13.30 plus shipping. And if I could afford to spend that kind of money, I'd LOVE to spend a couple of weeks in Hawaii doing nothing but learning about lucid dreaming and dream yoga. But it's the easiest thing in the world for me to realize I can't afford it and not attend. It's not like Laberge presents it as the only way to learn about lucid dreaming, or even a guarantee that you will learn to lucid dream. I don't know if people treat Leberge like a god like PenguinLord writes. I'd bet that's more hyperbole, but if they do, that's pretty dumb (and this thread shouldn't be deleted if he shows either). But treating him like an expert in the field of lucid dreaming? That's appropriate. If you are a moron incapable of preventing yourself from being suckered and you don't have the ability to fish through information and differentiate the good information from bad information, you might have reason to be weary of Laberge because he does promote overpriced things on occasion. But you've got bigger worries than Laberge if that's the case. For those of us with the faculties to discern bad information from good information, it does not take even the slightest bit of common sense to get 99% of the good information Laberge has put out there for less than $10... or free if you use a library. And there is lots of good information he's put out there. Even a lot of information that's available for free in these communities as PenguinLord writes was first developed by Laberge's studies. So I don't get this notion being put out there that he's only out to make massive coin...

[tiddlywink101]

$2000 seminars[/b] People actually pay that amount of money for a shitty seminar!?

[Ev]

Guys, if you think that 2000$ is a lot of money you are looking at this from a very simplistic standpoint. You arent looking at this from the economic standpoint. Let's see the breakdown: For the working class they have books and some tapes. + there are free forums on the web. This takes the most amount of time but is dirt cheap. For the better off people there are all of the above options + nova dreamer. All together this may save quite some time but still less than the cheap version. For the very rich folks they have all of the above + the seminars. I wouldnt doubt that the ability to ask questions directly to laberge or whoever else is running those seminars would be very helpful. Potentially such seminar may make up for dozens of LD/induction experiments.... Now why was I talking about the economic standpoint? For people making 6-20 $ an hour spending 2000$ on a seminar and 500$ on nova dreamer will seem ridiculous. People making 20-60$ an hour may think about it. And for people making 100+k a year it's very affordable. Now think about it again. If Laberge is to teach LDing in person who would he prefer to teach? Lets say there's 2 classes of 20people a day. Would he make this affordable and teach 40 middle class people or jack up the prices and teach 40 rich people? While middle class people may be good students, if the rich kids would succeed and actually like lucid dreaming LaBerge may count on some donations/grants/whatever else financial aid he may get from them... This is what capitalism is all about.... $$$$

[Pyrox]

Guys, if you think that 2000$ is a lot of money you are looking at this from a very simplistic standpoint. You arent looking at this from the economic standpoint. Let's see the breakdown: For the working class they have books and some tapes. + there are free forums on the web. This takes the most amount of time but is dirt cheap. For the better off people there are all of the above options + nova dreamer. All together this may save quite some time but still less than the cheap version. For the very rich folks they have all of the above + the seminars. I wouldnt doubt that the ability to ask questions directly to laberge or whoever else is running those seminars would be very helpful. Potentially such seminar may make up for dozens of LD/induction experiments.... Now why was I talking about the economic standpoint? For people making 6-20 $ an hour spending 2000$ on a seminar and 500$ on nova dreamer will seem ridiculous. People making 20-60$ an hour may think about it. And for people making 100+k a year it's very affordable. Now think about it again. If Laberge is to teach LDing in person who would he prefer to teach? Lets say there's 2 classes of 20people a day. Would he make this affordable and teach 40 middle class people or jack up the prices and teach 40 rich people? While middle class people may be good students, if the rich kids would succeed and actually like lucid dreaming LaBerge may count on some donations/grants/whatever else financial aid he may get from them... This is what capitalism is all about.... $$$$ [/b] Nice reply.

[TweaK]

Indeed a nice reply. Yes, I think.. He doesn't really prefer middle class over rich class people, but he knows that there are rich class people that are interested in lucid dreaming as well and thus he can afford to jack up the prices like that (resulting in attracting mostly rich class people).

[Middlerun]

Lets say there's 2 classes of 20people a day.[/b] If memory serves me right, for your two grand or so you get more than a week at a camp thing rather than a half-day seminar.