Was My Subconsious Trying To Reach Me?

**Reality's Flaw** · 09-15-2006 09:27 PM

Ok so last night I had this dream I was in some kind of army training thing, but it was like I was in high school and the general was making me and these other guys take all these extremely hard written tests. Finally, it was over and I looked at the clock (could have used this to do a reality check) and it was 3pm and everyone could go home. So I'm walking down the hall and after a little while I see this girl from my job, and she comes up and starts talking to me. I can't remember everthing she said, but then she mentioned something really strange. She started kind of making fun of me for what I was wearing. I think she said something like "Yeah I don't understand why you're wearing that. I don't really like it that much. It's a bit simple, don't you think?" Now, when I looked down, I noticed that I was wearing my uniform from work! But in the dream I didn't have any strange reaction to this and I said "Oh yeah, I was making biscuits this morning" (At my job, there's someone who always makes biscuits). But the messed up thing was, I never even had a dream about being at my job at all that whole night!

Now what I really should have been wearing in this situation would have been a military uniform, because everyone else in the "class" I had been in was wearing those. Now when this girl said "It's a bit simple, don't you think?", it's like she emphasized the word simple and gave me this smile like she was saying "Do you understand?", like she was giving me some kind of secret code! It's like she was trying to reach me and tell me how ridiculous the situation was, so I could realize that what's happening just doesn't make any sense. Like she was trying to say "Hey, you're dreaming", without going right out and saying it.

Here's what I believe was happening. I think it was my subconsious trying to get me to see that it was a dream! Now, unfortunately I didn't realize this in the dream, but a couple minutes later I woke up and put all the pieces together. The interesting thing here is, the only subconsious I've ever known is that part of my brain that's always tried to stop me from becoming lucid. But here, I really think it was trying to help me! Why?

For a while I lied awake thinking about this, and then a possible answer hit me. Could it be that my subconsious, through my efforts, had temporarily become oblivious to the fact that it wanted to stop me from being lucid, and had been tricked into trying to help me out, just as with any ordinary skill? Perhaps because of the effort put forth, for a brief time, the subconsious sees that you're trying to learn a new skill (to lucid dream) and even though at first it knows it must try to stop you, you keep on pressing on and perhaps convince the subconsious mind that it DOES in fact need to help you out and meet you half way. Maby there's a point where it's programmed to realize "Wait he's trying so hard here, this must be important", and reverses course from resisting to helping.

I know this may sound a bit out there, but think about it. To balance things out, let me just say that last night I was reading some thread about how victorious the subconsious is over the lucid dreamer. Dreamers who have years of lucid experience suddenly thwarted in their efforts, defeated in new and interesting ways by their subconsious minds, and go through multiple false awakenings, only to loose lucidity. But you see, though that is possibly inevitable, perhaps the first thing that happens is your subconsious mind gets tricked into helping you become lucid, and then when it starts happening all the time, somehow is programmed to say "enoughs enough" and tries to stop you anyway it can. Perhaps this will be my fate. It seems that it can only either help or hinder us, but I think this is fascinating!

This could explain why I always see dreamers with only a few months experience that are seemingly experts. Does the subconscious help lucid ability at first, only to hinder it later? I also remember reading about someone on here that said they have lucid dreams so much that it actually interferes with their daily life. This person kept on dreaming about doing certain things, and then didn't do them in real life because of thinking it had already really been done. So perhaps that's a case of the brain trying to stop lucidity by making it happen too much in an attempt to attack the dreamer! Will this happen to all of us? Perhaps we will become masters of our subconsious mind, only to become its slave. Fascinating!

Anyone else know anything about this, or have experienced anything like this?

**Ardent Lost** · 09-18-2006 12:52 AM

It's in interesting thought, and you may be right, but it's so hard to answer because it's based on a lot of assumptions. Is it even possible to know how your subconscious operates, let alone what it's doing? And ultimately, the only person who could answer that would be the individual whose mind is in question, since we're all very different. I think it depends on individual desire to leard to lucid dream, as well as a cast of other factors.

And dreams are so strange and perhaps symbolic that it's very hard to assess their meaning (if they have any) with any certainty, let alone whether or not the subconscious is trying to push your lucidity. I mean i think most people would say you've read too much into your dream, and i'd be inclined to agree, but really you're the one that knows your dreams better than anybody, and you know the wya your mind works better than us.

You do have a point - that desires and their subsequent effects may indeed be conditioning our subconscious to alter our lucid dreaming capabilities, but as i said, that's such a difficult area to delve into i'm not sure you'd get a definite answer. It's cool that people are questioning this kind of stuff though!

Interesting topic.

**Neil.....** · 09-18-2006 01:08 AM

Damn.... you tryna write a book lol... sounds like ur subconscious was trying to help you... I wish mine would lol I've had no dream reacll in like 3 - 4 days but thats bacuse I haven't slept propelry but yer what your saying dose make sence... if I ever lycid dream again... I would try to meet the "higher dream mind" and ask stuff

**Reality's Flaw** · 09-18-2006 01:17 AM

I also wonder if it could even mean that there's more than one side to one's subconscious. That would be really strange! It would raise a myriad of questions!

But yes, I may be reading too much into it, but then again it seemed so on purpose.

Ev · 09-18-2006 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Reality

I also wonder if it could even mean that there's more than one side to one's subconscious. That would be really strange! It would raise a myriad of questions!

But yes, I may be reading too much into it, but then again it seemed so on purpose.
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Hehe, I was about to say that. I do believe that there are many "processes" running in the back of our minds. All together they may be called subconsciousness, but they may act alone as well.

I have experiences similar to what you describe except there were quite a lot of them. Good, neutral, bad. The puzzle of the subconscious mind is really hard, yet I've heard it is very rewarding.

I've got one message from my subconscious mind, but I'm not sure which way should I interpret that. The message was symbolic and cryptic: there were two distinct sides. One had just one object, other had many. The one object didnt want to be absorbed by the many objects because it would then disappear and lose it's identity. The next symbolic sequence was "pet the cat" - I guess that meant that I may work with the one object as long as I dont absorb it.

This is quite accurate because I wanted to take over functions of my body/mind that I normally have no control. I guess that could mean taking over the subconscious mind. Maybe that's why it was working against my lucidity. Now when I'm not all that interested in that anymore the SC let it's guard down.

As for many experienced LDers who suddenly lose their ability to LD it could be explained in many ways, but the most up to date explanation I came up with is - many Lders (including me) find a technique or two that work best for them and start to rely heavily on that technique(s) but as soon as something happens that prevents the technique from working they lose their LDing ability and dont have many other techniques to fall on to. At the same time they may feel reluctant to start practicing other techniques from scratch so they just wait for the right circumstances to return. But they may never come back.

**Bonsay** · 09-18-2006 08:27 AM

Now that you have mentioned it... My second LD last night was a DILD and I got it like this:
In the dream me and some others were racing to a school (this was a long dream), When we came to the school, there was a long drop in front of us. When we were wondering how we could get down, one of my DCs said:"My grandfather once said that if you say I'm dreaming, you could fly!",... After that I did a RC and got lucid, started to fly and try to change some things, until I had a FA (which I fought with a RC).
I know that could just be a coincidence, or just a part of the dream. But If I think about it from your prespective, could it be that my subconcious wanted to help me LD?

**Ardent Lost** · 09-18-2006 11:38 PM

Actually, i've just remembered my own example that could fit in with this theory if you want to think of it like that.

I was in a car looking out on a forested, mountainous landscape, and my sister says out of no-where "i wonder if i'm dreaming" or "i wonder if this is a dream". It i remember before she said that the environment felt dream-like. I'm not sure whether any of you have felt that before, but i sometimes feel it when i go up into the mountains or something. I get this peaceful feeling. Well it was kind of like that, so you'd think that might have prompted me to question it, but instead the question came fro my sister.

Subconscious or something else? Who knows, but it does seem possible that it's the subconscious with such a direct reference, and in the context of the situation. But then you'd have to wonder whether all DILDs are really efforts by the subconscious, since isn't it believed that that is what constructs our dreams?

**Bonsay** · 09-19-2006 02:49 PM

But then reallity checks wouldn't help. Or would they. Since you say the subconcious is controlling the dream.

**Reality's Flaw** · 09-20-2006 12:52 AM

Really more like the subconsious just giving clues.

**Moonbeam** · 09-21-2006 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Reality

I also wonder if it could even mean that there's more than one side to one's subconscious. That would be really strange! It would raise a myriad of questions!

But yes, I may be reading too much into it, but then again it seemed so on purpose.
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Like more than one personality in there. I know what you mean, I always feel like my subconscious is keeping me from LD, but then I 'll have if I don't LD for a while it seems like I will keep getting broad hints in my dream that I don't pick up on. Like talking to DC's about LD, dreaming about trying to LD, etc. really obvious, but I don't ever pick up on it.

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