Ascended Masters

[melgonz]

Hello everyone, Okay, this is a topic I'm assuming many people on this forum should be interested in. I really want to know how to ensure that a meeting will take place between you and an ascended master during your lucid dream. For that matter, can you meet your spiritual guide during lucid dreams. How could I call them forth? If anyone has already done so, what is it that they end up teaching you? Thank you, Miguel Gonzalez

[Miskingo]

Once your lucid all you must do is ask or "command" your spirit guide to come to you. In lucid dreams you control every aspect so you just must have a desire for the event to occur. Good luck on your quest.

[disabled_account_2]

Hello everyone, Okay, this is a topic I'm assuming many people on this forum should be interested in. I really want to know how to ensure that a meeting will take place between you and an ascended master during your lucid dream. For that matter, can you meet your spiritual guide during lucid dreams. How could I call them forth? If anyone has already done so, what is it that they end up teaching you? Thank you, Miguel Gonzalez [/b] The fact that you said spiritual guide instead of dream guide makes me want to tell you to look for them while meditating. If you cant relax enough to get to a stable stage of the meditation phase, I suggest you start practising that today. If you are meeting them during your dreams, you cannot really be sure about what they tell you as your brain has to "translate" their signals before you interpret them into words or images, so things can be a litle bit vague during dreams. I really, really suggest you do this while awake, however sent into another stage of awareness. Dream guides can be anything from a PDA to a cat, so just summon them by clapping your hands or anything reaching into your pocket for him/her/it

[Oneiro]

I really want to know how to ensure that a meeting will take place between you and an ascended master during your lucid dream.[/b] I don't buy into this "ascended master" stuff. Whenever such a thing has happened to me, I always ask them if they really are what they are representing, and the answer is always "No." Dreaming is suggestible. If you believe in "ascended masters" you'll get DCs impersonating such a thing. If you believe in monsters, you'll get monsters. If you're a christian, you may get "Jesus". The anecdotal evidence for suggestibility-in-Dreaming is all over this website.

[TweaK]

You could open a door leading to your DGs house, or whatever. Do whatever you want, there is no fixed method.

[disabled_account_2]

I don't buy into this "ascended master" stuff. Whenever such a thing has happened to me, I always ask them if they really are what they are representing, and the answer is always "No." Dreaming is suggestible. If you believe in "ascended masters" you'll get DCs impersonating such a thing. If you believe in monsters, you'll get monsters. If you're a christian, you may get "Jesus". The anecdotal evidence for suggestibility-in-Dreaming is all over this website. [/b] Exactly, thats why you wont do this during a dream. Oneiro, also you said "ascended master stuff". Saying stuff means you have no reason to say its correct or not, I suggest you read alittle about this. But DC's will mostly follow your subconciousness, so if you believe they will tell you a specific story, then they most likely will.

[Keeper]

Thier probably is info on this somewhere in the forum, but what ARE they?

[N]

well..do you mean by spiritual guide soul guide'? if so I met mine twice the first time in LD and the second time I guess in reall life anyway in ld I just said befor I opened that door I'll meet my soul guide ...then I found my self in somewhere else and I met him I want to meet him again I hope so

[disabled_account_2]

Thier probably is info on this somewhere in the forum, but what ARE they? [/b] What are? DC "guides" or "spiritual guides"? A dream guide is just a tool to further manipulate your dream, as it can be hard in the start to make it perform as it should do. Eg summon a door on a wall etc, they can help you do that, but it's only yourself doing it really (I wont say it "is" but I believe its your own mind). People say a spiritual guide is a free person, a soul, someone that left their body and decide to help others. It can be a dead family member or a friend. Most likely its someone that is lost, a ghost. They denied the "light" they see while dying, they fight so hard to avoid death, that they end up leaving their body as a projection, only that they find they cannot return as their body cannot hold a soul anymore, its dead. So after some wandering they decide they might spend their time doing something useful (or bad, like scaring little kids ). I think this discussion belongs in the "beyond dreaming" forum though, as most people wont believe in this, I'll say its a theory. A guide can also be a higher entity, or a higher self telling their former selves what to do to proceed, so that each "self" can merge and become one. I hope I gave you something to think about, and ofcourse, I'm neither lying or teaching, for the sake of everyone I say its a theory.

[Keeper]

oh. Okay, thanks hmmm ... this makes life intersting, because what if Dc guides and spirit guides are the same thing? then prahaps, when dreaming, the mind can acsess the spirit, and explore the world. That could also sagest that a lucid dream is infact a spiritual expreiance, and not a soulish one. thanks

[Oneiro]

Quote Shadowrunner: "Saying stuff means you have no reason to say its correct or not.." Well.. I don't know where you get off with that. Pure supposition. "I suggest you read a little about this." Heh. I suggest you do a lot more empirical research than you obviously have. "But DC's will mostly follow your subconciousness, so if you believe they will tell you a specific story, then they most likely will." Well, you're wrong again. They don't fit any paradigm. Most of the time they don't say what you think they're going to say. You'll find plenty on this if you search the forum. Having "theories" is fine, but empirical knowledge is better.

[disabled_account_2]

I hope you are willing to discuss without attacking. Using the word "stuff" means you are not sure what you really mean, but I wont bother, I'm sure you do. Everything I say is out of pure experience as I have been into this field for several years now, the reason I say its a theory is to avoid people like you telling others its "not true" Ofcourse, but then again I can say its only a theory, and the quarrel ends there. "Well, you're wrong again. They don't fit any paradigm. Most of the time they don't say what you think they're going to say. You'll find plenty on this if you search the forum." I said subconciousness did I not? And that means that it's not clear how the outcome is going to be, as you cannot, by thinking that is, force the character to speak your thought words... however your 'sub'-conciousness does, and it tells the character, which is really only an extension of yourself, what is going to be the outcome or the conversation for that matter. "Having "theories" is fine, but empirical knowledge is better." Every single person in this world has his/hers own definition of reality, thus what is right and wrong and referring to their own reality for those definitions. Using the word theory opens the knowledge, and makes it accessible for all these different realities, making it edible for everyone. Telling somebody that this is correct will always start an endless discussion. I agree with you when it comes to alot of points, but really, what I say comes out of experience.

[Oneiro]

..and I'm saying to you that you need a lot more experience..

[melgonz]

Thank you everyone for responding thus far....I am getting a better picture now. Shadow runner makes a good point that spirit guides might only appear in genuine meditative trances. But I think I'm going to ease into that being a newbie and will probably order binaurial beats from the Monroe Institute. I know these meditative aids work becuause I tried them over a year ago and have only recently been getting back into them. I think it's a matter of being patiet. Finally, I have a question for Oneiro. Why do think every "ascended master" ends up telling you they are not what what they represent? It seems odd to me that DC's would play a role. Why would someone who rejects the light and salvation for that matter still be willful enough to help? I have never heard of that term either untill now...

[Oneiro]

"Why do think every "ascended master" ends up telling you they are not what what they represent?" Because none of them has been "the real thing". "It seems odd to me that DC's would play a role." Whoo boy... that's mostly what they always do.. play act a role that fits your expectations.. but when you stop whatever you're doing with them, and actually ask them if they are play-acting, they always answer in the affirmative. You can take it further and ask them why they do what they do.. if you ever get the control, that is. "Why would someone who rejects the light and salvation for that matter still be willful enough to help?" I don't understand this question. Who has rejected "light and salvation"? "I have never heard of that term either until now..." To which term are you referring?

[FrankyT49]

Hi! I feel I might need to explain a few things as I've been working/studying in this particular field since it's what lead me to lucid dreaming was to becoming a psychic which connects to spirit guides... to put it in plain easy understandable english for everyone to understand: A spirit guide is like a compass A guide that is your spiritual advisor and sometimes even your "Gut Feeling" as it were they are not wandering souls or lost entities as you say Shadowrunner, they are your invisible compass... and in terms related to the first question again I do believe it is possible to meet your spirit guide in dreams... as I once said before: dreams are purely of ones own single thought.... I hope this helps! Franky.