I want to meet the Old Hag - any suggestions?

[slimslowslider]

Umm... I want to meet the Old Hag - the full blown SP + strangulation thing. Or a Succubus. Any suggestions? Its not masochism, but research for my LD screenplay. I should say that I've never really noticed SP when WILDing. And that FAs are rare. I know I could probably just conjure her in an LD - but it wouldn't be the same.

[SEBSTER]

woah a screenplay?? as in script?

[Rainman]

The "Old Hag" as most people refer to it on here is more commonly known as the dweller on the threshold (if I'm thinking of what I think you're thinking of) and it's in general, an illusion during sp and OBE attempts. As for a Succubus, you will only likely encounter one of those on the astral plane, (OBE) but I highly, HIGHLY advise against that. Make sure you know all of the information on a succubus before you go looking for one, because they can be quite harmful to your health and your mind.

[Po Nation]

If you really want to induce SP you should deprive yourself of sleep then attempt to do a WILD, that should do the trick. Thankfully I've never had an enounter with 'the hag' but I did hear some pretty strange voice. Goodluck.

[Rainman]

I'm not sure if sleep paralysis and paralysis are the same thing, but if they are, then in my nonprofessional opinion, I believe that nation's method is more difficult than it has to be. • Get in a comfortable position. Laying down, sitting upright, whatever's comfortable. • Don't move. Close your eyes, and breath deeply, using rhythms if necessary. • Keep your mind clear of thoughts for a while. Focus on one thing such as your breath rhythm. • Try to focus on parts of your body. Making them relax. Trying to make them feel tingly. By doing so you are moving your center of awareness to different parts of your body, which moves etheric energy through your body, causing your body to feel numb. After a while you will notice that you can't move, but you feel as though you have a different body that you can almost move, at which point you are on the verge of an OBE, thus sleep paralysis. It's different for different people but I'd say on average this probably takes about 30-45 minutes max. You could dramatically reduce the amount of time it takes by using binaural beats. Look them up on google. There are programs such as the Brainwave generator (bwgen) that will play binaural sound beats through headphones. Using binaural beats it takes about 10-15 minutes to achieve paralysis. As for the dweller on the threshold, generally you don't see it everytime. I have done this many times and only seen it once, and it's quite nerveracking. But I have never heard of encountering the "hag" in SP. Usually you only encounter it during an OBE attempt, at least from what I've heard.

[becominglucid]

Both the hag and the succubus/incubus are ideas that arise from the same thing - sleep paralysis. I've experienced things like this, from attempting to WILD. SP as you know, can manifest as vibrations or waves - I've had experieeces where this felt like pressure on my crotch (incubus/succubus) and also I've felt like I've been "pressed" into the bed, and slight pressure and constriction on my throat. It's easy to see how a medieval person might attribute this to a malign entity lying on top of them. I did momentarily, I felt a sense of dread as is often experienced in SP, but I believe that only arises becuase it is an alien experience. Just relax through it. In short, if you really want to experience the hag/incubus/succubus, all you have to do is follow the steps for WILD. There will come a point where you can literally feel something pressing down on your body. That is SP. Good luck, and don't be afraid, it's just your body falling asleep.

[slimslowslider]

woah a screenplay?? as in script? Yes - I am halfway through a 2nd draft. Also intend to try and make it as well... At the moment its supernatural thriller/ horror, but may end up cutting back on the horror. The "Old Hag" as most people refer to it on here is more commonly known as the dweller on the threshold (if I'm thinking of what I think you're thinking of) and it's in general, an illusion during sp and OBE attempts. I hadn't heard the 'dweller on the threshold' name. Interesting. I'm assuming its an illusion - but for the purpose of the film it'll ambiguous. As for a Succubus, you will only likely encounter one of those on the astral plane, (OBE) but I highly, HIGHLY advise against that. Make sure you know all of the information on a succubus before you go looking for one, because they can be quite harmful to your health and your mind. Thanks for the warning! I'm skeptical but open-minded, and I have experienced things that sem to defy rational explanation. I've done stacks of research on succubi in general and Lillith (the mother of demons) in particular. But I think the danger is overplayed - as in the 'evil' is part of a demonisation of the feminine by the patriarchal religions of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. I have read lots of accounts of the 'old hag' but will ideally be writing from first hand experience. If you really want to induce SP you should deprive yourself of sleep then attempt to do a WILD, that should do the trick. Thankfully I've never had an enounter with 'the hag' but I did hear some pretty strange voice. Goodluck. Thanks! I'm not sure if sleep paralysis and paralysis are the same thing, but if they are, then in my nonprofessional opinion, I believe that nation's method is more difficult than it has to be. • Get in a comfortable position. Laying down, sitting upright, whatever's comfortable. • Don't move. Close your eyes, and breath deeply, using rhythms if necessary. • Keep your mind clear of thoughts for a while. Focus on one thing such as your breath rhythm. • Try to focus on parts of your body. Making them relax. Trying to make them feel tingly. By doing so you are moving your center of awareness to different parts of your body, which moves etheric energy through your body, causing your body to feel numb. After a while you will notice that you can't move, but you feel as though you have a different body that you can almost move, at which point you are on the verge of an OBE, thus sleep paralysis. It's different for different people but I'd say on average this probably takes about 30-45 minutes max. You could dramatically reduce the amount of time it takes by using binaural beats. Look them up on google. There are programs such as the Brainwave generator (bwgen) that will play binaural sound beats through headphones. Using binaural beats it takes about 10-15 minutes to achieve paralysis. I think thats the way. I suppose what I'm doing 'wrong' is that I don't monitor my body diuring WILDs - but instead focus on the emerging dreamscape, which for me is primarily a visual experience. Perhpas if I just focus on my body? I will try the binaural beats thing to - never have to date - but it does sound fascinating. As for the dweller on the threshold, generally you don't see it everytime. I have done this many times and only seen it once, and it's quite nerveracking. But I have never heard of encountering the "hag" in SP. Usually you only encounter it during an OBE attempt, at least from what I've heard. I always assumed it was an SP/FA illusion, that mainly occurs in the middle of the night or upon awakening. But perhaps by going the OBE/AP route... Both the hag and the succubus/incubus are ideas that arise from the same thing - sleep paralysis. I've experienced things like this, from attempting to WILD. SP as you know, can manifest as vibrations or waves - I've had experieeces where this felt like pressure on my crotch (incubus/succubus) and also I've felt like I've been "pressed" into the bed, and slight pressure and constriction on my throat. It's easy to see how a medieval person might attribute this to a malign entity lying on top of them. I did momentarily, I felt a sense of dread as is often experienced in SP, but I believe that only arises becuase it is an alien experience. Just relax through it. In short, if you really want to experience the hag/incubus/succubus, all you have to do is follow the steps for WILD. There will come a point where you can literally feel something pressing down on your body. That is SP. Good luck, and don't be afraid, it's just your body falling asleep. Thanks. I suppose the 'dread' will be difficult to attain - as I have such a strong belief structure that the effect is an artifact of SP etc... But this is also the juicy bit! We'll see! Question: 'normally' its succubi for men, inccubi for women. Does this depend on your sexuality??? Thanks all. Will post the results.

[slimslowslider]

OK - so I think I know what SP is! At last! I did a progressive relaxation thing - toes, feet, ankles etc, then went round again. Just focussing on my body. At some point I definitely felt paralysed, like my limbs were dead. I tried to move but couldn't - however it was more like I didn't want to move, because I did eventually. I didn't get the normal day-dream type images that I get when relaxing/ falling asleep/ WILDing, and I didnt get HI either (still confused as to what this is). I got distracted soon after and drifted off to sleep. But I see this as a good start. I can imagine that if the 'dead' feeling occurred in my chest or throat, especially if I were nearer to dreaming, it could easily feel very odd - like someone else sitting on me perhaps. Reminds me of a time I woke up with someone else's arm on my head. I shat myself, yelped and leapt out of bed - only to discover it was my own arm with very bad pins and needles.