Thread: What good are lucid dreams?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I didn't suggest any task here, and I haven't kept up with any task that might have been presented here as if I suggested it. However, I do know that at least one person who posts here did something he should NOT have done in a lucid dream -- the one thing that I specifically stated here that nobody should ever do in an LD. But he and I have discussed that privately.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

All right, people dreamed about trees and then they tried to physically merge with a tree.

How is that "controlling the dream?"

See if you can will the tree to pull itself up by the roots and start walking around, the way you can in a waking fantasy. If you can do that, then you'll be "controlling the dream."

But just as important, this was a completely daft thing to have people do in a lucid dream. Where did anyone get the notion that it was a good thing to do?

Of all things, people should stay away from trees in lucid dreaming. Don't touch them. Don't have anything to do with them.

That task.

Why are you afraid of tree's?

Originally Posted by Caradon

Why are you afraid of tree's?

Nitpick: You don't use an apostrophe there.

My running theory is that he was attacked by a tree in a dream.

I don't know where that quote of arnesaknussemm came from but, since it's here now:

How is that NOT controlling a dream. When you purposely carry plans over from waking life then execute them in a dream then you've controlled the dream.

How is merging with a tree - or touching them or "having anything to do with them" - a "bad thing to do"?

We obviously have wildly different ideas of what lucid dreaming is all about.

A man can have sex with Marilyn Monroe anything me wants to when he's awake. That's called a daydream. Dreams when you're asleep are an entirely different matter.

Why does that need to be said? It's a no-brainer.

And no, "he" wasn't attacked by a tree in a dream.

If you insist on touching a tree or talking to one in a lucid dream after I've told you not to, then go right ahead.

And if you're wondering whether the experiences of the 68 people who are carrying out tasks in my lucid dreaming group have altered my thinking in any way whatsoever as to what dreaming and lucid dreaming are about, the answer is emphatically no.

I dont really have a problem with trees, I was just wondering why you do.
No big deal though, to each his own.

just a note: your belief's creat your experience.

Sensible things an umbrella would say concerning this thread:

- Arne saknussemm is not making a lot of sense

- It seems lseadragon was right about the fact that Caradon likes the apostrophe key a lot

- Some good reasons for lucid dreaming that aren't tied to lucid dreams directly include the fact that even normal dreams can be incredible stories which can teach the dreamer something about him/herself, and the fact that keeping a dream journal is a good start in fighting a lack of discipline.

Non-sensible things Rabindranath Tagor said concerning trees:

- "Trees are the earth’s endless effort to speak to the listening heaven."

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

If you insist on touching a tree or talking to one in a lucid dream after I've told you not to, then go right ahead.

You missed the important part -- 'Why?'

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

A man can have sex with Marilyn Monroe anything me wants to when he's awake. That's called a daydream. Dreams when you're asleep are an entirely different matter.

Why does that need to be said? It's a no-brainer.

And no, "he" wasn't attacked by a tree in a dream.

If you insist on touching a tree or talking to one in a lucid dream after I've told you not to, then go right ahead.

And if you're wondering whether the experiences of the 68 people who are carrying out tasks in my lucid dreaming group have altered my thinking in any way whatsoever as to what dreaming and lucid dreaming are about, the answer is emphatically no.

Arne, in the other thread where you said that you didn't think people could control their dreams, I begain to wonder about control and even wonder if you were right. I mean, even tho you suggested the tree-walking thing, and said that it would prove that people could have control, AND I did it, I still wondered. How did I know that I didn't just dream that I had control, if that makes sense, and if it is different than actually having control. I have talked to several people (who seem to have good control), and, combined with my own experiences, I think now that it is real control, and not just an illusion or part of the dream that you happen to be lucid in. In a way, my own usual lack of control is a little evidence (for me) that on those rare time that I have control, something different is happening.

Arne, do you believe that dreams are something other than experiences contained in the individual's brain? I mean, do you think that dreams have a reality outside the person and are influenced by outside forces? Is your argument against control and interacting with trees something metaphysical or spiritual, or do you have neuropsychological or other scientific arguments against it?

Just wondering what we're talking about, exactly. You have made me think a little about the subject and helped me clarify what I believe to be happening, so thank you; however, I'm confused about what you're really trying to say to us about dreaming.

I've stated here very clearly and more than once that things are going on in people's dreams that have nothing to do with the dreamer.

And instead of telling me that you "controlled your dream" in a task that I didn't assign, why don't you join my group and carry out a real task?