Lucid laws of physics...unbreakable.

Obviously they are not, but for me they are! The four times I have had lucid dreams, I was unable to do the ONE THING I really have always wanted to do. FLY. I got good at making things materialize out of thin air by thinking about them, and expecting to see them behind me, then turning around and seeing it. But I can't walk through walls, or fly! Ever since I was a little kid, I always wished to god I could just jump up in the air and fly without any technology or anything.

I got into lucid dreaming initially so that I could fullfill that dream. Now I see how much potential lucid dreaming has for helping me overcoming some of my worst fears. But I reallly want to be able to do it. I can't. Every time I try its just like if i tried to in the waking world. I jump up, and go right back down. Any suggestions?

--rain

Here's a tip I read that might help:

Since you can materialize objects easy, start by materializing a jetpack. Put it on, and use it to fly up. After you've flown around with this for a while, say to yourself, "This is a dream, this jetpack isn't real. Since it isn't real, it can't be making me fly, so I must be making myself fly." As you say it, believe it completely, remove the jetpack, and keep flying. After that, you should find it easier to fly on your own.

Oh wow, that'd be pretty cool :D Have you done this and has it worked for you before?

Also, I've learned that you could grow yourself a pair of wings. Or, instead, try starting off, say on a dragon, and when you are in the air run and jump off in the direction it is flying. If that doesn't work and you find yourself falling, try making the clouds (assuming there are any) move from in front of you to behind you (you moving forward) instead of them moving from below to above (like they would when you fall).

i wish you luck,
wolven deer

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Originally Posted by Rainman

Oh wow, that'd be pretty cool :D Have you done this and has it worked for you before?

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No, I'm not good at summoning objects, so I haven't tried it. I haven't managed to fly yet, only jump really high and glide.

I've had flying dreams ever since I was a kid so after I started lucid dreaming flying was never a problem but I do have a suggestion. I had a dream once where I started flying but once I was in the air the coat I was wearing was actually what was flying and I was just hanging loosely by the armpits and letting it go where ever it would take me. I've also had dreams where I was sitting on a flying cushion. Using this idea, you don't necessarily have to have a jetpack, but just any object or article of clothing that you just decide can make you fly.

Also. many times I've had dreams where I didn't start out flying but just running so fast that I was able to just bend my knees and take my legs off the ground and continue floating. Its all about convincing yourself that you can do it. In a dream, once you truly believe something is possible, it is, so whatever it takes for you to be sure of that is the best way to do it.

I think you're trying to hard to fly. Let go, a little. Don't try so hard.
Run, then jump up, then run, jump up a little higher. See where that takes you.

It's all about believing you can do it.

Good luck.

Yeah you may be right. Xaqaria, I know exactly what you mean. Whenever I had non-lucid flying dreams, I always had to do some strange action, or use some weird thing like a baseball bat or a surfboard or a cape to make me fly. By strange action, I mean I might have to spin three times and wait for the wind to blow or something. And by the end of the dream I gradually lose the power to fly. Heh. I want to avoid using things. I just want to by myself just jump up and fly. I didn't know it was this hard lol.

yeah i have that same problem. i haven't had luck flying yet but i think im getting closer because ive had some good experiences with gravity free bouncing. at first i couldn't do anything at all but i started out just jumping up and down and you'll go higher and higher every time. (or i did anyways) then go and try to jump off something... like maybe to the balcony. next i was bouncing up and down as high as my house and jumping off my house. i think the next step is going to be trying to jump over from house to house... maybe you cant jump right into flying and should start out with something simpler especially if you haven't had that much experience with lucid dreaming or controlling your dreams.

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Whenever I had non-lucid flying dreams, I always had to do some strange action, or use some weird thing like a baseball bat or a surfboard or a cape to make me fly.By strange action, I mean I might have to spin three times and wait for the wind to blow or something. And by the end of the dream I gradually lose the power to fly. Heh. I want to avoid using things. I just want to by myself just jump up and fly

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And you're non-lucid when you do this?

Shit, I wish I could do that when I am non-lucid. I can't fly when I'm non-lucid. I usually fly when I realize I am dreaming.

It's not hard, really. I promise, lol. I think you can do it, just jump up and fly. Like I said, don't try so hard, just let it be.

find a cliff. Jump. :P



No but really i have fallen from cliffs before and you fall forever. Even from like 200ft it takes forever to hit the ground. So if you jump off a really tall cliff then you should have enough of a head start to convince yourself to fly. :)

flying is all in your head. Same with any of the powers. Its all about beliveing. The first time is the hardest though... I used to have the opposite problem of you though. When i flew i would keep going like a balloon! lol :D i got sucked to the edge of space once too. Its pretty peacefull up there.

I'll try to try less ;) But yeah. Its pretty rare that I have flying dreams anymore, but when I do its fun, till the end. That was before I started reading about lucid dreams. If I started flying in a dream now, I'd catch on that it was a dream. Course then again, two days ago I was a jedi meeting with other jedis in a Macy's store and I still didn't catch on, so maybe not. ;)


Space huh? That's gotta be interesting. So what about like laser eyes and shit? lol. I'll try flying tonight WHEN I get lucid (starting MILD right now lol)

-rain

You expect the laws of physics to win when you attempt to fly, so your mind takes that expectation and makes it real in your dreams. Do not underestimate the power of expectation when lucid dreaming, since if you expect that flying is hard, then your dream will make it hard for you. In my last LD, I flew quite easily, all because when I wanted to fly, I simply recalled the feeling I got from a non-lucid dream in which I flew, and by imagining that feeling all over again, I simply began soaring into the sky. Sometimes, simply letting go all the 'bonds' of reality and feeling them slip off you like unlocked, heavy manacles might be enough to give you a kickstart. Experiment and see which way gets you to fly the best.

Hey thanks a lot :D I had an LD last night and a jumped into the air and just tried to see if I could sustain how long I was in the air, and I did! Now I've just gotta fly. I feel like LDing is like the Matrix. "he is begining to believe"

Ok so maybe that makes me a dork. ;)

Hahaha, nice man. I think I'm gonna get myself a nimbus cloud though. Like the one from Dragon Ball. That'd be pretty cool. I think Oneironaut would like that idea aswell :p

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Originally Posted by Rainman

Hey thanks a lot :D I had an LD last night and a jumped into the air and just tried to see if I could sustain how long I was in the air, and I did! Now I've just gotta fly. I feel like LDing is like the Matrix. "he is begining to believe"

Ok so maybe that makes me a dork. ;)

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If it helps to get you to fly... then 'believe'!

P.S. I'm also a bit of a Matrix nut :D ... I even have Agents appear in my dreams from time to time... guess that's makes me a dork as well! ;)

Now that's pretty awesome. Is it possible to teach yourself martial arts in a dream? or teach yourself how to do something, and then remember how to do it in the waking world? Mannn imagine the uper hand I'd have on all the other piano players if I could practice in my sleep literally. ROFL.

If you can get so that you successfully fly every time using a specific action or object, you'll grow more confident. When I was a kid I would always have to run as fast as I could and jump to fly and it always had a sort of kite/paper airplane effect in that if I didn't catch the right updraft I would fly for a few seconds and then come crashing down but eventually I got to where I could fly every time using that method and then eventually was accustomed enough to it that I could just take off superman style from a stand still and go roaring in to the upper atmosphere.

The purpose of using an object or a motion is that you have to trick your own logic. You obviously don't think its possible to fly, but in a dream your logic becomes fuzzy (like being high) so that its not that hard to convince yourself that maybe if I just had this baseball bat, it would help me fly...

Then once you accomplish that you can think about it a little more rationally and do the "its not that magic item, it was just me all along" routine.

edit: Also, it seems silly to quote the matrix, but that whole movie pretty much applies to lucid dreaming so remember morpheus; "Don't think you can, know you can"

Try using techniques you've learned in the media. In one of my lucids, for instance, I took off the Neo way: Sending a pulse through the earth that propelled me straight up. In another two (or more) lucids, I used the Mario 64 way: hop once, twice, three times and you're soaring!

The second technique did have a unique after effect: a mix between the wing cap tune and star road tune from the 64 games began playing!

I suggest starting from the ground up, rather than jumping off of somewhere high. Without proper confidence, your dream could end prematurely!

Also, try asking a dream character for help. Aside from a few rude/stubborn chaps I've encountered, most DCs will do/say what you want.

I suggest throwing yourself off a cliff or tall building. (never thought I'd hear myself saying that)

Motivation can be important. Say, if you're have a nightmare you want to get away from. Best if you do it without thinking about it too much.

For clues to your hurdle read the following statements made by yourself:

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Originally Posted by Rainman

Lucid laws of physics...unbreakable.
Obviously they are not, but for me they are!

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As others have said, a defeatist attitude is the first step towards failure.

Remember that each LD is a new experience. You cannot judge the possibilities of one by the events of those before it. You already know that anything is possible in a dream (lucid dream, in this case). So, take the knowledge of no boundaries and adopt that as your new attitude.

You will succeed the next time you try because there's nothing holding you back - literally. If you know that and accept that as fact you have torn down your greatest obstacle. There's no room for doubt. Remember, it's the magical world of dreams we're talking about here. Never let lucid failures taint your views of what's possible and achievable.

Think of it this way: Say you're trying to throw a basketball through a hoop. If you miss the first few tries are you going to start thinking that you can't do it? Of course not. You're going to always know that it's only a matter of throwing it until you get your aim and arc down correctly. You know full well that it's possible, your arc is just off a little bit.

In reality, sinking that basket is no different than breaking the laws of physics in a dream. It's only that dreams are intangible that it seems to be so.

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Now that's pretty awesome. Is it possible to teach yourself martial arts in a dream? or teach yourself how to do something, and then remember how to do it in the waking world? Mannn imagine the uper hand I'd have on all the other piano players if I could practice in my sleep literally. ROFL.

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Yes, in your lucid dreams, you can 'construct' situations which then allows you to practice whatever you want. Whether its speaking in front of a crowd, or putting yourself into a situation where you must use your martial arts training to defend yourself... the only limit is the limit of your imagination really... (corny, yes... but I had to say it :D )

Haha. That's pretty cool. And thanks for keeping me positive Oneironaught. I'll be working at it ;)

I get so pissed off sometimes while LDing when this happens. I'll try to fly, and know I can fly, and know that physics don't follow into the dream - and still have problems flying!

I even tried the jet pack recently, and it worked a little better, but the thing would just randomly turn off at times!

But free falling from the sky is pretty damn fun! :D

I have gotten better though. The dreams that I fly better are actually the dreams where I'm less lucid. More lucidity = more chance of failure in my case :( Though I have never extensively practiced flying, which is why I probably still suck at it.

Rainman, since you can summon objects easily, take Serith's advice and try flying with a jetpack. I don't know if you're familiar with the Harry Potter series, but if you are, you might want to try something that I did in my last LD. I reached into my pocket and took out a magic wand. Then I tried to cast spells with it to make controlling my LD easier for me. The first thing I tried was lumos and it worked, but a light on the end of your wand isn't very useful for controlling the LD. I tried some other spells but to no avail. Then I shouted avada kadavra (sp?) and pointed the wand at a bystanding DC and she fell down. I guess now I've technically killed a DC (or at least that's what that spell is supposed to do). The reason I bring this up is if you become proficient in, er, casting spells from the Harry Potter series, you could use accio, the summoning charm, to summon anything. You could say "accio broomstick" for example, and use the resulting broomstick to aid in flight. Harry Potter spells can be used for almost anything in an LD.