reoccuring people

[jill1978]

Dose anyone have reoccurring people in your dreams. I have reoccuring dreams of the kid I had my locker next to 6, 7, and 8th grade....I'm not friends with the kid and it was 12 years ago...so why the past few years has he appeared...Sometimes I think maybe it a parrellel alternate life possibilities...Maybe our consciouness can track every possible outcome and dreams are tidbits into these maybe situations. They do say that if the universe is infinately large every possible situation will play itself out somewhere...maybe it's an alternate me in another universe...Sorry I get really deep into dreams

[nerve]

[Curios]

I dont believe in trying to figure out peoples dreams. Dreams are ones own infinate creations and for me to try and decode a dream is something im not tryng to figure out. leave that to your gypsies and whiches they can tell you a load a shit.

[Ginko]

Im not a gypisie, witch, or Psychologist. im just doin this because im bored. (Please dont belive a thing i say) Maybe you are trying to go back to a time when life was really simple. and instead of accepting this, your mind is masking it by finding people from your past to associtate with. By using some 1 u barley knew, it would be harder 4 u to come to this conclusion. And or you want to go back to a time when life was really simple, and change it all. The kid u barley knew was the beggening of your school LIFE in which u want to try over. I question my sanity to some time.

[zwishenzug]

No one really knows how big the universe is. A lot of people think that if you went far enough you would end up where you were. So I guess you could really go forever... Reoccuring things, people, stories, themes usually have some significance to you the dreamer. There's not really much to do about learning what they mean. Just ask yourself how do you feel about it in real life? What was significant about it at the time? How do you feel about it when you're dreaming? Did you know tribesman in the Kalahari desert in southern Africa who have never seen surface water have dreamed of the ocean, with waves?

[Ginko]

That tribmans thing in africa thing sounds intresting. Oh yeh and your explantion is good 2.

[zwishenzug]

Freud's protege, Carl Jung, used stuff like the bushman thing as evidence for what he called the collective subconscious. Which is the idea that subconsciously we are all the same entity. The movie "Waking Life" tells some more: When you isolate some people from society and test their abilities at crossword puzzles, then secretly give them a day old crossword puzzle, their scores increase dramatically. About 20 percent. I don't think the movie actually uses it to take a stand on any issue, like telepathy, or the collective subconscious, but it sounds like you could take it either way.

[Second Attention]

I believe very much in the collective consciousness(subconciousness). Somethings is changing, though. John Major Jenkins wrote a book in collaboration with Terrence McKenna about the end of the Mayan Calendar, which will happen in 2012. Instead of believing that this date marks the end of humanity, or some sort of apocalypse, like the mayans themselves, and many other religious groups, believe, they belive it will simply be a change in the collective consciousness of humanity. We are the only conscious, sentient beings. At least that we know of, and I think that is fairly signifigant, you know? Interesting book, regardless. We are all connected, even if the thread is sometimes very thin.

[zwishenzug]

By "conscious, sentient beings" I assume you mean self-aware? If so, there are actually three species on earth who have demonstrated self awareness: humans, chimps, and oranguatangs. You can test this with a mirror. Human babies, when they see themselves in a mirror will touch themselves when the look at it. They tested the monkeys by training them to touch a dot and receive a reward. Then they they put them under and put a colorless, odorless red dot on their foreheads where they couldn't see it. Then they put them in front of a mirror. The question is do they recognize that the mirror is showing them themselves? What they found was that they all touched themselves, not the mirror. Other animals might recognize an image as an animal, but another animal, not themselves. The 2012 prediction is one of the craziest things I've heard of. I'm kind of excited to see what all the hype is about. The Mayan's predicted the apocalypse then (more specifically December 22, 2012). Also, the Bible code says that a comet or asteroid will strike the earth on that date as well. Interesting stuff.

[jill1978]

Several of your ideas make sense, especially about going back to a simpler time, I liked middle school grades the best. I think collective consciousness seems like an evalutionary process and similar to telenesis and seems like along away, not that we cant have tidbits of it now.

[Second Attention]

I definitely do not mean self-aware as you percieve it. I fully believe in science, science has its place, but what I was discussing reaches beyond the bounds of anything science can explain. I definitely do not mean self-aware in the same way that a monkey is self-aware, which I agree is an amazing statement, and definitely has it's meaning, but it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Our awareness is something else, it may have come from some similar beginning, but it has transcended that simplicity long ago. We are the way we are for reasons, and those reasons cannot all be explained by any one theory, hypothesis, religion, philosophy, or anything else. I don't claim to be all knowing, or anything, nor do I believe I am "enlightened". I just think most of humanity ignores the big picture, they're too caught up in the meaning of all the little things, like that test with the mirrors that you spoke of. I don't believe understanding our consciousness is as far fetched as most people think. Then again, I'm just a simple pantheist that believes, even if all this 2012 stuff is crap, that transcendence is possible, and that achieving it is not as hard as most people believe, because there are an infinite amount of paths to achieving it. Plus, dolphins are probably smarter than all of us.

[zwishenzug]

What is a pantheist?

[jill1978]

I think someday our idea of science (humans useing all our senses known and unknown) to figure things out will discover some of the things we find mystical are actually explainable. Maybe Our start wants to be traced

[Second Attention]

A pantheist is simply someone whom believes that everything is connected, everything is one. For instance: We are all God, and yet God doesn't exist because he is not a separate entity from us; or: By experiencing God we are experiencing the Void, and therefore we are experiencing everything and nothing at the same time. Everything is nothing, and nothing is everything, very very simply stated. Here, I'll even quote dictionary.com: "Pan"the*ism, n. [Pan- + theism.] The doctrine that the universe, taken or conceived of as a whole, is God; the doctrine that there is no God but the combined force and laws which are manifested in the existing universe; cosmotheism."

[zwishenzug]

Wow, that's some good stuff, pantheism. Not that I believe it, but it takes more balls to believe in pantheism than pure science (I don't believe in pure science either). Also, I disagree with Jill for the following reasons... 1. We can only use sense that we know about. And they can only tell us about those aspects of the universe. What we perceive as reality is only what we can detect from our seven senses. 2. The universe operates so complexly that I believe it is impossible for one person to understand it all, therefore there will always be things that are mystic. I know you said that "some" things will be explained, but the more the science community learns about the universe, the less they seem to understand. 3. By "Our start" I assume you mean the origin of the universe. I think it is impossible to learn that unless you could directly observe the past (via time-traveling cameras or somthing that doesn't affect the universe at that time by introducing new matter and energy and consequently changing history). I do agree that some mystic occurances will be solved eventually. But mystic occurances will never be eliminated, maybe not even reduced.

[Second Attention]

I agree that science has taken leaps, but for all the advancement, and for every new thing we learn, there is something else there that we understand even less than we did before. Best example: Quantum physics. There is no denying, at least in my opinion, the scientific proof of quantum physics leading to a greater understanding of the universe, however, for all that we've l;earned in the field, we haven't even BEGUN to be able to understand most of it. For instance, and electron particle is similar to say a sphere in 3 dimensional reality, except when it rotates on it's axis, it has to rotate a whole 720 degrees before making a complete rotation, rather than 360 degrees that we percieve with objects in our 3 dimensional space. Now... does that make any sense, really? Obviously, there must be something there, whether things are multi-dimensional at such small proportions or not, we can't say. Plus, take the example of an electron in motion. Now through certain experiments we have been able to determine that electrons seem to exist in multiple places while in motion, for we are unable to make all the complete and necessary measurements that we would like, because they appear to exist in two separate places. That defies all logic, how can something exist in two places at the exact same moment in time, unless they were part of some sort of dimension of reality that we have yet to understand or be able to percieve. If you would like to learn more on the subject, there is a book called Beyond the Quantum that I was lucky enough to stumble upon at a used bookstore. It's written by Michael Talbot, and it links all these sort of things together. It goes deep into Quantum Theory and how it relates to reality, consciousness, God, and all these things. It's really quite astounding.