Thread: iDoser question..and suggestion

What's the iDoser? Is it like the Novadreamer in concept, or is it different? I've never heard of it.

"Virtual drugs" is the main selling point. http://www.i-doser.com/

when u listen to any of them novadream idoser, music thats suppose to help become lucid , are u suppose to include WILD,MILD etc with them or just listen to it and sleep?

With most of the idoser 'drugs' you listen to them just relaxed and you get the effect while listening.. In regards to the lucid dream one, well.. i think it's bollocks. On the site one 'testimonial' said that the person started listening, closed their eyes and they were in a lucid dream. I find that very hard to believe, and i've tried it. I dont get much from any of the brainwave things, although i understand the concept and can feel slight effects, i prefer the natural mind. 5 years down the line, it could turn out that those frequencies when forced cause cancer or something, it's not natural. (I understand the brain has frequencies but not induced by sounds like these)

I'd actually be fearful to try a drug that supposedly induces dreams, I'd much rather rely on natural methods. I feel the mind is too misunderstood to rely on artificial inductions. Especially with improper testing, these types of drugs can become hazardous to your health, now or later.

It's not actually a drug just like frequencies or something. But I get what you mean. It's not supposed to actually induce them right away but you're supposed to listen to it then sleep. I actually had a LD last night (a very short one..) and had listened to the "song" before bed.

So hm.....

Mind control! Just kidding :p

If it's just sounds I'd feel more comfortable with it, but I'd make sure adequate research was done into assuring that it works. Also, in my experience, things like that tend to vary from person to person - I hope it continues to help for you!

if anybody has bought any of the i doses can you send them to me? PM me and I'll give you my email. thanks =]

Originally Posted by defygravity

if anybody has bought any of the i doses can you send them to me? PM me and I'll give you my email. thanks =]

try a p2p program lol

It's called "Placebo" ;P

Originally Posted by Poppp

It's called "Placebo" ;P

Hey, but when it comes to something completely mental, if the placebo works.....

This thing sounds a lot like the "Brainwave Generator" program other people have talked about on the foum. I'm a little skeptical about whether any of these things could actually have a real effect on our brains.

Actually, scratch that, I'm a lot skeptical. Does anyone know more about this idea? Has any real research been done on the whole concept?

From what I understand it tries to match frequencies associated with certain brain states to recreate those states, be it lucid dreaming or (in IDoser's case) drugs. But I don't understand what that means... how do you measure the brain's frequency? Frequency of what?

I am not at all familiar with the specific mechanisms at play, but theoretically speaking, if we consider the human mind to be a machine it makes sense. Think about it, smells can evoke strong memories, visions likewise. Each of our senses is entirely capable of inducing thoughts and states of mind. Hypothetically, if we were to 'break the code' of how the human brain processes information, it should be possible to feed in some sort of signal to ANY sense and get some interesting experiences as a result.

Of course, it's a bit doubtful that our understanding of the human brain has come that far, or even that the same noise would affect different people similarly (the way we process inputs is DRASTICALLY different sometimes). It could just be a bullshit scam. But definitely worth looking into.

I downloaded the program myself, and I've listened to Crystal Meth, Content, Alcohol, and half of ecstasy. During alcohol I experienced involuntary eye twitches (like the little movements you make when you read or something) and my eyes felt odd in general, a bit tired maybe, but not drunk by any means. All of the others have had negligible effects on me, despite me keeping an open mind (and allowing for placebo effects to take place, hopefully). So I don't know.

If you're interested in sound phenomena, check this out
http://ccgi.bluerabbit.plus.com/virtualbarbershop/

It's a much better, more effective use of binaural technology, if you ask me ;]

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I am not at all familiar with the specific mechanisms at play, but theoretically speaking, if we consider the human mind to be a machine it makes sense. Think about it, smells can evoke strong memories, visions likewise. Each of our senses is entirely capable of inducing thoughts and states of mind. Hypothetically, if we were to 'break the code' of how the human brain processes information, it should be possible to feed in some sort of signal to ANY sense and get some interesting experiences as a result.

Of course, it's a bit doubtful that our understanding of the human brain has come that far, or even that the same noise would affect different people similarly (the way we process inputs is DRASTICALLY different sometimes). It could just be a bullshit scam. But definitely worth looking into.

I downloaded the program myself, and I've listened to Crystal Meth, Content, Alcohol, and half of ecstasy. During alcohol I experienced involuntary eye twitches (like the little movements you make when you read or something) and my eyes felt odd in general, a bit tired maybe, but not drunk by any means. All of the others have had negligible effects on me, despite me keeping an open mind (and allowing for placebo effects to take place, hopefully). So I don't know.

If you're interested in sound phenomena, check this out
http://ccgi.bluerabbit.plus.com/virtualbarbershop/

It's a much better, more effective use of binaural technology, if you ask me ;]

I love that!! Do you have anything else like it? It's so cool! =]

In order for a Binaural beat to work, you need to wear headphones. The reason for this is due to the (precise) difference of frequencies per channel. With Binaural beats, 2 frequencies are selected, say 400hz and 410hz (one must be out of phase with the other) and the difference of the two (10hz) will become the pulsating tone (known as a standing wave in the acoustical field or in this case, the Binaural beat). However, as with all mental activities, one must truly accept the idea and concentrate on such. It is much similar to meditation in that, as you concentrate on the pulsations, your brainwaves will be slowed subsequent to deeper concentration. Once the binaural beat alters your brain state to it's self, it becomes easier to induce suggestion, (i.e Hypnotic Suggestion).This is where the suggestion of lucid dreams occur. So, I personally believe that this is no different than self-hypnosis as it follows basically the same techniques but replaces human suggestion with Binaural suggestion. I know self-hypnosis, and hypnosis in general works (even with lucid dreaming), so there is no reason I can conclude as to why this would not.

Originally Posted by defygravity

I love that!! Do you have anything else like it? It's so cool! =]

THIS ONE IS THE BEST - it's holophonic, original by Hugo Zuccarellii, the guy who invented this type of sound.
http://gprime.net/flash.php/soundimmersion

Here are some others, the whispering woman one is pretty good - it induces a sort of synesthesia for me, I can actually feel her breath on my ear.
Scissors - http://www.holophonic.ch/archivio/testaudio/capelli.mp3
Hair Dryer - http://www.holophonic.ch/archivio/testaudio/phon.mp3
Whispering Woman - http://www.holophonic.ch/archivio/testaudio/voce.mp3

^^thanks!!!

If it actually works using beat frequencies, then it's not a mental/hearing thing - the sounds would have to work by actually vibrating your head. Hearing 2 different frequencies (e.g. 400 and 410 Hz) doesn't create the 10 Hz beat, the 10 Hz beat is due to actual physical interference of the two frequencies. Beats aren't a sensory thing that are due to our ears and perception at all.


(C.I. = Constructive Interference = peak meets peak and the two waves reinforce, D.I.=Destructive Interference = peak meets trough and the two waves cancel each other out)

Again I'll stress - it's an actual change in the physical world, not in the way we're hearing it.

So I don't think it's the same as hypnosis at all; the way it's saying it works isn't through any sort of psychological means, it's using physics.

I'm not at all convinced that mechanical vibration of the head can cause the electrical signals of the brain to match frequencies. Has anyone seen any actual evidence that this can affect our brains? Like EEGs compared to the frequencies being used? That would establish something.

If this works through any psychological means, it's either not through beats (and so it's just a fluke, which I doubt), or it's a placebo (which can still be useful).

And if it DOES work through beats, it would be better to attach stickies to the sides of the skull to allow vibrations to be transmitted through, and skip the hearing/headphones entirely.

I suppose the argument could be made that hearing the two different frequencies could create some sort of sensory "beat" but it's not the same concept as this AT ALL, and as far as I know has no supporting evidence. If that's the case, don't confuse the proven, physical "beat frequency" with whatever "beat frequency" they're claiming exists. It may just be a confusion tactic on their part to try to give this credibility.

Actually, regardless of how it works, has anyone seen any EEGs supporting any sort of binaural beats?

On a side note, I agree with thegnome54... his links to those sound clips are awesome. It's not the same idea as binaural beats above though, the effects created there are due to our perception of the sound we're getting in each ear (hence the common term "binaural").