Hypnotically Induced LD With Drugs Went Wrong

[O'nus]

A'hoy hoy, I had another session in an attempt to hypnotically induce a lucid dream to a trusted friend (and he trusts me of course, lol). Although this time we had another idea; to add in some suppliments. Around 40 minutes before attempting to hypnotically induce a lucid dream, vitamin B6 and melatonin suppliments were taken (thankfully close to the american border, although, melatonin is not hard to make your body reproduce). Already talented in lucid dreaming, he was up to trying this and seeing the results. We theorised he would just simply wake up or, what we were hoping for, project himself through his physical body or at least facial expressions, with the aid of hypnotism (and the heightened awareness from the suppliments). And so, with the help of hypnotism, he slept. After being silent for nearly 50 minutes, I saw signs of REM sleep from him (yes, he was laying down). I began to commence the methods of inducing the lucid dreaming, to tell him that he was dreaming, etc. Then the pecuilar outcome occured; when I asked him if he knew he was dreaming now, he replied with, "Well, you're hypnotising me, Dad." Then, after trying to bring consciousness to the dream world, his eyes opened and he said, "This isn't good." Then rolled his eyes, shook a little (as though awakening), leaned over the side, and vommited. Immediately after awakening (that's right, even when he was vommiting, well, after grabbing a bucket..) I asked him what he dreamed of and to recall everything right away so I could record it. He said he dreamed of being on a freight liner although it was also somehow attached to a mall. He was there with friends although terrorists began to take over the freight liner and mall. He was safe in a ventalation duct but suddenly the sky projected my face to him and it taunted him, he then remembered waking up (although he was still dreaming) and telling me what happened, but I just stared at him saying things such as, "You're dreaming. Hello? Can you respond to me please?" and continuing trying my method to bring dream awareness to him. And that he turned to find himself laying on the bed; he was experiencing an OOBE in the lucid dream-false awakening - this caused him to wake up and vommit. We theorised that he told me he knew I was hypnotising in his sleep, dad, because of the super-ego and it's integration with the subconscious. We believe that by trying to bring lucidity through hypnotism, it caused him to have a false awakening and also a second step to awareness as he was in a third-party perspective within the false awakening (false awakening as in, woke up in the dream, but was still dreaming - not woke up and thought it was still a dream). So this brings questions about OoBE's and the possibility that they are the method of acquisition in lucidity within "reality" in the 3rd dimension; or if we were too tired and had too much caffeine. Although, logically, the fourth dimension would be timeless (or time, whichever) in which it would then be intangible and physical properties would not exist (this could also be claimed as the astral plane), thus, we could be out of our body and moving about the realm, although no 3d beings will see 4d beings. So the last question is; is this proper theory? Is it just wish-fulfillments of some science fiction theme? Does the barrier between 3rd and 4th dimensions really have the potential to be broken? How can this be abused? (Politically, very badly, and perversely). Should this be released publicly? If politics knew about it, would they release information? How can two loley adults find out about this while lucid dreams are so incredibly unpopular amongst the mainstream media? Is the information repressed? Or maybe we are still all within a dream and we're near waking up? Or maybe we're just insane. Think about it... I look forward to any feedback. Hope this has been enlightening.

[Seeker]

Well...that was strange... What I believe is that there really is NO barrier between the 3rd and 4th dimensions. It is all a matter of realizing this is so. Of course, we have all been so indoctrinated into believing in the myth of time that it is extremely difficult to think otherwise. Do you plan on continuing your experiment? Is your volunteer still interested

[jacobo]

i think you should do more trials before you jump to any conclusions. record everything with as much detail and information as possible... if it isn't outside of your funds you should monitor brain activity... then propose it to a university or someone of that nature and get a grant to research it more in depth. my 2 cents

[O'nus]

Originally posted by adidas+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adidas)</div> i think you should do more trials before you jump to any conclusions. record everything with as much detail and information as possible... if it isn't outside of your funds you should monitor brain activity... then propose it to a university or someone of that nature and get a grant to research it more in depth. my 2 cents[/b] HAH! <!--QuoteBegin-Seeker What I believe is that there really is NO barrier between the 3rd and 4th dimensions. It is all a matter of realizing this is so. Of course, we have all been so indoctrinated into believing in the myth of time that it is extremely difficult to think otherwise. Do you plan on continuing your experiment? Is your volunteer still interested That is what we mean by the barrier, essentially; the conscious thoughts of our modern society that such a possibility is simply asinine and too hard to believe. Incomprehensible. The subconscious is a barrier itself. We will continue, and my friend is more than willing to continue.

[Truthbearer]

I await further results on this, as it as all very interesting. Originally posted by O'nus So this brings questions about OoBE's and the possibility that they are the method of acquisition in lucidity within \"reality\" in the 3rd dimension What exactly do you mean by this? I interpreted as if you were refering to the fact that in a lucid dream you can have an OOBE(which cooresponds to the waking life) even though you are in a dream, and have it pertain to the dream world... Not sure if that is what you meant, though...

[O'nus]

Originally posted by Truthbearer+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Truthbearer)</div> I await further results on this, as it as all very interesting. <!--QuoteBegin-O'nus So this brings questions about OoBE's and the possibility that they are the method of acquisition in lucidity within \"reality\" in the 3rd dimension What exactly do you mean by this? I interpreted as if you were refering to the fact that in a lucid dream you can have an OOBE(which cooresponds to the waking life) even though you are in a dream, and have it pertain to the dream world... Not sure if that is what you meant, though...[/b] Yes, it seems that the dream life would reflect what happens in the wake life by how you have an OoBE. That the untangible version of your body (or the psychic manifestation of your self) will leave the body and enter the other realm.

[Kaniaz]

\"well, you're hypnotising me, dad.\"[/b] Sometimes what people do/say in their sleep is freaky. I once was asleep when my brother came in at about 2 in the morning. He asked the time. I promptly told him to go f*** off. He said thankyou. He went to bed. In the morning, I asked him what he was doing waking me up so early to ask the time. He didn't remember doing it. You should continue your research, but I wouldn't be surprised if us, mere human beings, couldn't fully comprehend it.

[dougdrums]

If I remember right, we live in 4d already, time also being a dimension.