ParadigmShift WILD method

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Originally Posted by dark filament

Hey ParadigmShift,

Thanks for the info. Are you using the same technique you described in this thread to induce LDs at bedtime too? If so what's the difference in the approach of your morning and bedtime attempts?

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I'd be interested too!

worked again during a nap... it works better for me when I do some relaxation techniques before going to sleep or trying the method.

Ive been trying to wild while going to bed the first time and last night I got the feeling of sliding down the bed. I figured it was another part of sp, and kept focused on keeping my eyes shut, when the motion feeling stopped my body jolted and made me fully awake again. Now that I know how close I was to a lucid dream I will be sure to try again tonight!!

ps I also recommend this technique being placed in the tutorials section

Wow, this sounds great. I'm definitely trying this in a few :D

All the Lucids I've had were DILD, and I didn't have control, and I usually woke up nearly instantly, but I'm working on it.

This might give me my first WILD, sounds easy enough. The beauty is in it's simplicity. As someone stated before, it's exteremely obvious now, lol.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Well, Didn't work first try, but I'm definitely going to keep it up.

I always have trouble with the imagining myself feeling something part. My imagination died hard a long time ago, lol.

PAradigm, how long does it usually take you to get to a lucid dream with this method, from the time you wake up?

When you wake up very tired at night.. and try this method.. do you think its "too much" to simply not let yourself fall asleep again unless its via this method? What I mean is.. does the method require that you fall asleep again fairly soon- or can it work with a perhaps less subtle but more forceful will?

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Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Hey guys I'm new to this website but definitely not new to LDs. I haven't seen anyone mention this technique, so I think I just discovered it on my own and I wanna share it with you all. Before this, I used to have SERIOUS trouble with WILD, only to find out it's the most consistent and easiest method of becoming lucid when I employ this technique.

1. Go to bed, wake up earlier than you normally would. (I wake up 6 hours later, which always interrupts me in the middle of a dream. This is good, you WANT to interrupt a dream so you wake up very sleepy)

2. As soon as you wake up, slam the alarm clock off and QUICKLY try to get back to sleep. Don't get up and read/brush your teeth/anything. Try to not even open your eyes. You have to do this with as little in between as possible--as in you'll naturally drift back to sleep within a few minutes again.

OK here's where I would have trouble with WILD. I would either stay awake trying to focus on something, or I would drift into sleep without noticing. The remedy for that?

3. Wait a few seconds, then imagine something happening to your body. No, not someone poking your feet with a sharp stick. Try to make your body feel as if it's being dragged across your bed. If it doesn't work, don't make a big deal out of it, just try again later. You will still see black, so it's all just tactile.

4. When you accomplish the sliding across your bed sensation, don't get scared. It will feel as if you're going to fall out of your bed (you won't, you're beginning to dream). See if you can control the direction in which you're being dragged. Try rolling your body in place. Do this for about 30 seconds, making sure to control your direction. This tends to help me later in being able to control my LD, the more control I have the more vivid and controllable my LD will be.

5. It will still seem as if your eyes are closed and you're mentally dragging yourself across your bed. Stop dragging yourself around, and "open" your eyes. Usually by this point, you'll be in a sleep paralysis state without you noticing it and you will open your "dream" eyes instead. My LDs (and all dreams actually) start in my bed. Normally It would be a false awakening, but I've been conscious this whole time so I know what's really happening.

This seems to work best for people who CANNOT get to sleep when trying to WILD, because they concentrate too hard their mind becomes grounded in real life. To me this is the easiest way to WILD because you don't have to go through the scary electrocuting/light flashing/chalk scratching sensations that I normally get trying to WILD the old-school way. The transitional phase is automatic for me. Try it, let me know how it works for you and I'll try to answer questions too.

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paradigmShift:

I just came accross your method to WILD. Sounds like something I could apply myself to.
One question if I may? When you say roll back and forth from side to side is that an actual movement, or like the dragging method all in your consciousness, without actually moving your physical body?
Any response would be appreciated.

Thanks, sea bee (a sailor forever)

Ah so this is what I have been doing - I noticed this and thought I was the only one (thanks Clairity for pointing me here)

My experiences of WILD always work in this way, here is one cut from my dream journal:

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As I rolled onto my side I felt no more comfortable, and still awake, then I felt the change, you know when you can tell you are about to go to sleep, so I thought right, I will catch you out on this, and waited a little longer and could feel myself falling asleep more then tried to jump on this and WILD. But what happened next was weird.

I like to call this the 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang WILD' for those who have seen this will know they ride on a bed? Or that might be Wizard of Oz? If someone could correct me that would be great! I felt a shift in my body, like it jolt forward, I don't know if anyone else gets this, but I usually get feelings of me jolting in my bed, and I was moving forwards and backwards at some force, however when I moved forwards I was making a grunting kind of noise, and was at that confused stage where I didn't know if I was lucid or not at that point so went with it.

Then I felt my bed shift, now normally it is me doing the shifting, and I will like fall head first backwards to something similar sometimes when WILDing. However this was my bed moving, Okay I thought I will roll with this, and made myself move faster, like really fast in this bed, shooting round corners and all sorts, then when it felt ready stopped the bed moving and I was in this other room, it wasn't mine, I was lucid, I had gotten her by flying my bed?? WTF? Either way, it was an interesting WILD. So I sat up in the bed, did the finger RC (because I love the way it feels lol)

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I've tried this for 2 nights so far, but the farthest I got was something like partial SP .... my whole body just felt really sluggish after a while. I gave up at about 15 mins and went back to sleep the normal way. 15 Mins feels like an eternity when you're doing this stuff...

this is what happend to me today... I woke up from a dream.. closed my eyes and vibrations started.. till eventually they got so strong i heard my bed vibrating and i slid down to the floor still vibrating.. when i got up from the floor it was like a false awakening.. creepy
but i left my room and was lucid

Hi.
its time for nap here. And this technique seems promissing. Its becouse i have problems with mental imagery, but sense of movement shouldnt be problem. Thanx for this technique.

:banana:

Sorry to butt in, but the movie you're referring to was Bedknobs and Broomsticks :D

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Originally Posted by kel

this is what happend to me today... I woke up from a dream.. closed my eyes and vibrations started.. till eventually they got so strong i heard my bed vibrating and i slid down to the floor still vibrating.. when i got up from the floor it was like a false awakening.. creepy
but i left my room and was lucid

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LOL that's hilarious. I can't tell for sure if you're saying my technique worked for you, but if it did, conratulations :banana: !

edit: will get to ansewering some questions later on...

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Originally Posted by wackomacko

so does it only take you a couple of minutes to get into the dream?

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Yes, you have to be very sleepy. Either very sleepy wbtb or very sleepy midday nap. If I don't fall asleep within a few minutes, I pretty much know it won't work.

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Originally Posted by Truffles

You say in the tutorial to instead of getting up for a little bit, just go back to sleep. If I do that then I'll be gone in about 10 seconds.

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If you lose consciousness in 10 seconds, I recommend you get up for a little while. Everyone is different; know thyself.

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Originally Posted by dark filament

Hey ParadigmShift,

Thanks for the info. Are you using the same technique you described in this thread to induce LDs at bedtime too? If so what's the difference in the approach of your morning and bedtime attempts?

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Yes, I do but it's much more difficult. It requires meditation and stuff I'd rather not get into it because I know people aren't interested in it, they want quick and easy and that's what I'll (try) to give them.

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Originally Posted by Beck

PAradigm, how long does it usually take you to get to a lucid dream with this method, from the time you wake up?

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Always takes me between 30 seconds and 5 minutes at most. Any longer and I know it probably won't happen.

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Originally Posted by sea bee

paradigmShift:

One question if I may? When you say roll back and forth from side to side is that an actual movement, or like the dragging method all in your consciousness, without actually moving your physical body?

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It happens in your consciousness, but it will physically feel like it's happening to you in real life. You'll be in a state of SP, so even if you try to do an actual movement, it will transfer to your "dream body". My advice is: if you suspect you're in SP, and you try to do an actual movement, it will transfer to dream movement which is what you're aiming for.

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Originally Posted by Adam

Ah so this is what I have been doing - I noticed this and thought I was the only one (thanks Clairity for pointing me here)

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Aha! Wow it's awesome to finally find someone who has come across the same technique. So I guess it is a shared phenomenon just like electricity, HI, and illusory noise. Is the journal on this website? I'd love to take a look at it, maybe learn a thing or two since you seem pretty experienced in LDs.

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Originally Posted by Kane

I gave up at about 15 mins and went back to sleep the normal way. 15 Mins feels like an eternity when you're doing this stuff...

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I'd say as a rule of thumb, if it doesn't work within a few minutes, it won't work. This is generally the gist I get from my own experiences and feedback from other people who have succeeded with this technique. Good luck.

happy LDing.

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Yes, I do but it's much more difficult. It requires meditation and stuff I'd rather not get into it because I know people aren't interested in it, they want quick and easy and that's what I'll (try) to give them.

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Can you explain?
I have tried your method lots of times, however I have irratic results. I have done the actual method and it works everytime I enter SP. The only way I can actual get to SP is when I disturb my sleep cycle.
Can you put the more difficult stuff, or put a brief summery of the difficult stuff. As the only problem I have is getting to SP, which is not easy. I know how to meditate.

I am interested and I want the difficult method not the quick and easy method.

On a side note: When I do lucid dream I keep on having false awakening, How do you stop this? As this method produces alot of false awakening where you are in SP. I then have to repeat your method to break free of SP, It's time consuming. Also is it mean't to be really dark? As it is pitch black and I have to run outside to actually see.

Also, I get really scared. Pitch black and I am walking outside, their also strange posters on the wall normally. And sometimes when I walk outside animals chase me or everything is empty and dead. Dreams are scary.

Saying that normally the lucid dreams are good, however it is normally night time. Oh yeah, thanks for the lucid dreams.

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Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

LOL that's hilarious. I can't tell for sure if you're saying my technique worked for you, but if it did, conratulations :banana: !

edit: will get to ansewering some questions later on...

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LOL. this was before i read about your technique, it was creepy as hell. my room tryed to lock me in and i could barely get off the floor!
i didnt goto sleep that night for so long i didnt wanna face my bed lollllll hahah... its true

sounds like an intresting techniqu I will def give this a try tonight....hell I could use some help with my WILDs lol:)

I have used something similar to this before, with quite a bit of success. I sleep on my side, right at the edge of the bed. Then I imagine myself sitting up and then standing up beside my bed. I keep imagining this over and over again until it becomes real.

I think that diagram that ParadigmShift drew is the most helpful think I've seen in a long time. I think that's where a lot of people are missing the boat on techniques that involve directly entering a dream.

This technique reminds me a lot of FILD and of IH8Reality's technique of running around your house.

I will typically try to WILD on my back using a traditional method. I can't sleep on my back normally, so if I feel the WILD is not working, I will roll to my side to go to sleep. Then, while falling asleep in this comfortable position, and right on the cusp of sleep (bobbing in and out of consciousness), I will imagine the physical sensation over and over again while losing consciousness.

Hey!

This technique looks pretty promising... for those of us here who havent figured out how to wake yourself up after 5 or 6 hours of sleep without moving a muscle, here is what I do.

I set my cell phone to "silent" mode where it only vibrates and then use the countdown timer set to 5 hours. At 5 hours, the cell phone vibrates 16 times right beside my bed and then stops. That way, I can wake up and not move at all before attempting this technique.

I put my cellphone on a folded t-shirt so that it doesnt vibrate against a hard surface .... thats just noisy and disturbs me when I wake up.

The cellphone I use is a Nokia, I havent tried this with other cell phones... but there should be similar features on other phones too.

ok Paradigm; great tutorial...but im a little confused by your graph

you mentioned "shifts". what is that? Is that imaging shifting/dragging around your bed?
or do you imagine that the whole time? if so...can you clarify shift?

what are these mental lapses? periods where your mind is no longer empty or periods where you forget to imagine the sensations?

what happens between "shift works...now concentrate" and "LD"?


sorry, i just wouldnt want to try it without knowing 100% what to do!

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Originally Posted by Kane

Hey!

I set my cell phone to "silent" mode where it only vibrates and then use the countdown timer set to 5 hours. At 5 hours, the cell phone vibrates 16 times right beside my bed and then stops.

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Wow, this is a great idea. I think I'm going to start doing this :D

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Originally Posted by james_jlc

you mentioned "shifts". what is that? Is that imaging shifting/dragging around your bed?
or do you imagine that the whole time? if so...can you clarify shift?

what are these mental lapses? periods where your mind is no longer empty or periods where you forget to imagine the sensations?

what happens between "shift works...now concentrate" and "LD"?

sorry, i just wouldnt want to try it without knowing 100% what to do!

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Yes, a shift is your body dragging around. I just didn't want to use a wordly description every time so I just called it "shift".*(see note at near bottom)

Lapses are times where you lose consciousness for a small moment, but then return to awareness. Happens with some people, doesn't with others. If you have them, this technique should be very easy, because that's where the technique should start being used. If you don't, you need to induce SP somehow (check out the "how to make your body fall asleep" thread for tips)

When the shift works, you're in already in SP, you can't perceive anything except the illusory shift sensation. I'd call that an extremely low LD. So for me it's:

wake up ->go back to sleep->mental lapse/reach SP->shift->LD

so to answer your question of what happens in between...you shift for a few seconds, then after a while you can open your eyes and you're in an LD.

Final note on shifts: I can't stress this enough. A shift is not a visualization of your body moving. You have to be sure that you're in SP, then actually attempt to physically move your body.

Anyway, it sounds much more complicated than it is. When you get it the first few times, you'll know what signs to look for. It becomes 2nd nature.

Darn, I forgot about this. I need to try again. I like that you've clarified a few things.

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Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Final note on shifts: I can't stress this enough. A shift is not a visualization of your body moving. You have to be sure that you're in SP, then actually attempt to physically move your body.

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I'm especially glad you clarified that. I think I misunderstood exactly what you meant by that term. I was also under the impression that, by "shift", you meant the mental/tactile sensation of sliding or being dragged across the bed.

Thanks.

Salvation!. There may still be hope on this forum. Or wait. Isn't this a rather old topic already? Well great technique and sweet clear explanation man. Thanbks alot. Bright thinking.

I'm defeniteively going to try this one. Maybe I'll do my own SP-relaxation technique first, to get me into quite deep SP very fast:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46088

If I have done this technique I can be in near complete SP/Body numbness and a state of complete paralysis/immobility from my chest down.

If I, at this point, would continue inducing SP while Keeping an eye out for and inducing Dragging Dream Sensations using your tech, I would have success from your tehcnique probably MUCH faster than when I would try it if I were wide awake and just in bed.

And then something else:
So do you imagine yourself being dragged lengthwise across the bed?
If you would I have an interresting artistic idea that might aid Lucidity using this technique;

You could take a cartboard board and paint it so that it looks like a "DreamGate". Whichever way you would imagine that. You could make this and hang it at the head's end of your bed. And the Gate will be "Closed" when you're awake; Meaning you cannot pass through it, because your physical finger would not be able to penetrate the concrete, "closed" gate, but only your Spiritual, Discarnated Dreambody can Travel through the Gate, because it's only open for spirit-bodies. Or more simply: A sort of mythology around the "Try and stick hand through wall/mirror"-RC.

If you're awake the Dreamgate is closed and if You're Dreaming the Dreamgate is open and you can pass through it into the dreamworld. Using your technique you can imagine dragging yourself along a long, matrass road towards and, finally, through the Dreamgate into the Dreamrealm.

I think I'll make this Dreamgate soon enough. :)

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Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Aha! Wow it's awesome to finally find someone who has come across the same technique. So I guess it is a shared phenomenon just like electricity, HI, and illusory noise. Is the journal on this website? I'd love to take a look at it, maybe learn a thing or two since you seem pretty experienced in LDs.

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yeah some parts in my DJ mate, here is some of the explanations from a while ago:

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Originally Posted by Adams Dream Journal

I felt a shift in my body, like it jolt forward, I don't know if anyone else gets this, but I usually get feelings of me jolting in my bed, and I was moving forwards and backwards at some force, however when I moved forwards I was making a grunting kind of noise, and was at that confused stage where I didn't know if I was lucid or not at that point so went with it.

Then I felt my bed shift, now normally it is me doing the shifting, and I will like fall head first backwards to something similar sometimes when WILDing. However this was my bed moving, Okay I thought I will roll with this, and made myself move faster, like really fast in this bed, shooting round corners and all sorts, then when it felt ready stopped the bed moving and I was in this other room, it wasn't mine, I was lucid, I had gotten her by flying my bed

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Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

OK here's where I would have trouble with WILD. I would either stay awake trying to focus on something, or I would drift into sleep without noticing. The remedy for that?

Try to make your body feel as if it's being dragged across your bed. If it doesn't work, don't make a big deal out of it, just try again later. You will still see black, so it's all just tactile.

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Wow! Genius! I will have to try this tonight. I have trouble with WILD because of this:

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Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

This seems to work best for people who CANNOT get to sleep when trying to WILD, because they concentrate too hard their mind becomes grounded in real life.

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Also, when I do get SP I feel like I am getting dragged off my bed, anyway. Hopefully this will really help! Thanks for sharing!