 Originally Posted by wackomacko
so does it only take you a couple of minutes to get into the dream?
Yes, you have to be very sleepy. Either very sleepy wbtb or very sleepy midday nap. If I don't fall asleep within a few minutes, I pretty much know it won't work.
 Originally Posted by Truffles
You say in the tutorial to instead of getting up for a little bit, just go back to sleep. If I do that then I'll be gone in about 10 seconds.
If you lose consciousness in 10 seconds, I recommend you get up for a little while. Everyone is different; know thyself.
 Originally Posted by dark filament
Hey ParadigmShift,
Thanks for the info. Are you using the same technique you described in this thread to induce LDs at bedtime too? If so what's the difference in the approach of your morning and bedtime attempts?
Yes, I do but it's much more difficult. It requires meditation and stuff I'd rather not get into it because I know people aren't interested in it, they want quick and easy and that's what I'll (try) to give them.
 Originally Posted by Beck
PAradigm, how long does it usually take you to get to a lucid dream with this method, from the time you wake up?
Always takes me between 30 seconds and 5 minutes at most. Any longer and I know it probably won't happen.
 Originally Posted by sea bee
paradigmShift:
One question if I may? When you say roll back and forth from side to side is that an actual movement, or like the dragging method all in your consciousness, without actually moving your physical body?
It happens in your consciousness, but it will physically feel like it's happening to you in real life. You'll be in a state of SP, so even if you try to do an actual movement, it will transfer to your "dream body". My advice is: if you suspect you're in SP, and you try to do an actual movement, it will transfer to dream movement which is what you're aiming for.
 Originally Posted by Adam
Ah so this is what I have been doing - I noticed this and thought I was the only one (thanks Clairity for pointing me here)
Aha! Wow it's awesome to finally find someone who has come across the same technique. So I guess it is a shared phenomenon just like electricity, HI, and illusory noise. Is the journal on this website? I'd love to take a look at it, maybe learn a thing or two since you seem pretty experienced in LDs.
 Originally Posted by Kane
I gave up at about 15 mins and went back to sleep the normal way. 15 Mins feels like an eternity when you're doing this stuff...
I'd say as a rule of thumb, if it doesn't work within a few minutes, it won't work. This is generally the gist I get from my own experiences and feedback from other people who have succeeded with this technique. Good luck.
happy LDing.
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