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**simisu** · 07-01-2004 01:04 AM

i didnt read everything that's been said becouse i still dont feel like i belong enough and i still dont know much about how it goes over here...
but i have a seggestion all the same if you guys wont mind...

i post in another forum (not dreams related) for a long time now... and the growth rate over there is abit slower but things are kept so good that every single one that stays makes a diffrance and fits right in...
and i think the reason for that has much to do with the moderators as with the members...
now... again i still dont know how the moderators here work but from what i've seen, you guys let too much BS and off topic posts stay...
misinformation/pointless posts/name calling/arguments that have nothing to do with topic and general offtopic posts... all these (and probably some stuff i forgot...) should not be tolarated at all!
if there is one thing that makes furums useless is having to seive through alot of posts that are simply not worth reading (like the things i mentioned) and when you have to deal that you get tired real fast and loose intrest...

memebers who care and agree with such guidlines should also comment when needed (informing people of guidlines in a respectfull way is always apriciated) now sense in leaving it all for the moderators...
i see you had a set of rules but decided to leave just one... i can't see why but i guess i'm not in a position to argue it

but maybe do a post with some guidlines for noobs (like a refrence when greeting a noob)
and later these noobs want to fit in so they'll do their best to be kind to other noobs and help as much as they can like they've been helped and treated

i haven't been here much and already it's important for me to make this a better place cuz i can see i'm here to stay

so i hope you guy's wont take this the wrong way...

**Truthbearer** · 07-01-2004 02:20 AM

You have a valid point, we do make a lot of off topic posts in several subjects, and it might not seem that way to you, but that is what makes this place great. It would be really tedious and boring to just have to follow strict rules and stick to every single subject. I know that is why the nondreaming related sections are for, but it still make the subject more entertaining. If at anytime you are in a thread and we go terribly off topic and don't answer the question, then demand it from us, by all means. Sometimes we get carried away, but its not that big a deal. We generally return to the topic anyway, after the nonesense resolves itself in its own volition...

I am not justifying anything, all I am saying is that this is what I like the most about this place, and what attracted me here in the first place. It is a bit frustrating at first, but you'll get used to it. You'll even do it yourself, probably. And as I said before don't be afraid to give us a good shake and slap us a couple of times saying "Back on topic, people!!!"

**dreamer3** · 07-01-2004 02:42 AM

. I do however admit that at times I am a bit jaded, and instead of giving the newbs the warm welcome I generally do, I just tell them to check out the tutorials, site, etc. or something else that might not be categorized as a real friendly and warm behavior

ya,sry to be a bit old, but, when iwas still visiting the noob forum thing, i would ask people stuff and get \"READ THE TUTORIOL!\" or something along those lines..... its not really that great to hear,...... but anyway, if were all a bit more noob friendly, maybe people will stay for much longer, k

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**simisu** · 07-01-2004 02:50 AM

i totaly understand and i agree...
but i still stand behind what i said

i know that a big part of what makes a great forum is the freedom and the feeling of a family that it gives...
but still i consider these things as good attiquete in forums... and people should not abuse this freedom!

i DO understand the diffrance betwine total offtopic posts and general comments which might not have nothing to do with the topic but certenly have to do with the person (which happens alot when people post alot and get to know each other

)

**icedawg** · 07-01-2004 03:18 AM

Originally posted by simisu
i see you had a set of rules but decided to leave just one... i can't see why but i guess i'm not in a position to argue it

i feel the one rule we have is too general; i will be introducing additional rules again sometime in the foreseeable future. it's just a little tricky getting the wording just right, so that they aren't excessively binding. i'd say we definitely need to at least assemble a list of guidelines (for example, although i don't want to end discussion altogether in the Feedback and Announcements forums, those really should be kept for serious issues and not idle chat; some users are likely to not read posts in there if too often they aren't really pertinent at all).

Truthbearer: we will be going ahead with the creation of a dream interpretation forum; we will be supplementing it with an FAQ and you're more than welcome to help with that.

**Placebo** · 07-01-2004 09:27 AM

Geez you guys can post fast...

About the off topic thing - The problem I have with being more strict on that is that often newbies can be offended, and start rumours about being unfriendly, and cycle repeats.

Eg. If a newbie posts in the wrong place, and then changes subjects and talks..well..rubbish... then if anyone reprimands him, he may simply go elsewhere and call us unfriendly.

Of course we can't be everything to all people I guess...

About the dream interpretation thread, I think its necessary. But Truthbearers idea of a tutorial is great too. The thing is, most of us do not want to interprete other people's dreams. This way we can shove them into the section of people that do. And point them in the direction of tutorials.

**simisu** · 07-01-2004 03:11 PM

About the off topic thing - The problem I have with being more strict on that is that often newbies can be offended, and start rumours about being unfriendly, and cycle repeats. [/b]

i think your wrong... if its done in a respectfull way (PMing the person and giving and explanation plus maybe a refrence to guidlines on the forum) there's no need to be offended unless you're an imature 12 year old boy who doesn't really care about anything except being "heard"

plus... people should be incoredged to use PMing... i'm not used to it at all but it can save alot of topics from being derailed and evantualy useless

and having read the thread all the way through i think i can also add this../

biggest problame with noobs is that most of them dont take the time to read all the info that's out there... they prefer asking questions or having their dream inturpered (if that what they came for thinking that poeple can do that for them)...
so you get alot of questions that are basically the same all the time...
so why not pick some good threads that already explain most of these questions and gather them on one sitcky thread (as links with self explinatory names) and incuredge noobs to read these links befor posting a question (mainly on a forum like "ataining lucidety")
and it makes answering noobs's qeustions much better cuz the questions are much more insightfull and specific so you can help them better once they know exectly what they want to ask and how

**wendysleeps** · 07-01-2004 03:14 PM

~well, i'm only a n00b but this is interesting...i just wanted to say that(boy, hope i'm not posting in the wrong place

)i have found this forum to be very friendly so far...sometimes i've noticed people getting off topic but it's not a big deal...i wouldn't mind if someone told me i was doing something wrong...just be nice about it and all...i don't get too many replies to my posts sometimes but that's ok...i think this place is pretty cool and i may get the hang of it sometime

...i just think that it's just that you have to stick around long enough to really learn how to be in this place...people are too sensitive...

**Lowercase Society** · 07-01-2004 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP
oh boy! hate mail!

...drama, drama, drama...

Ice, thank you. Period.

**O'nus** · 07-01-2004 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Paperdoll EP)</div>

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One example: I thought \"n00b\" was a term used in games as an insult, not for dreaming.

n00b (of course) just means \"newb\" short for \"newbie\" meaning someone is NEW to the forum. it's the truth. if it offends someone, that's too damn bad. it's not insulting in anyway. just like Kaniaz said. let;s not get all \"politically correct\" just because a couple n00bs get offended at something stupid. :

Originally posted by Techboy
OK.

I think \"Dream Views\" does suggest \"Dream Interpretation\" a little.

A Dream Interpretation Section may well be a good idea. And an interpretation tutorial.

aye.[/b]

This response is a good example of the patronizing of new comers.

**evangel** · 07-02-2004 05:08 PM

My two cents:

I agree with simisu...

There's a lot of non-relevent and useless posts (and yes, by non-newbies)on the forum which is a big turn-off to me. I used to comb the forum and post quite a bit, but now I just skim through a couple of topics for interesting threads. Even then I end up wasting time skimming through posts that seem to have no depth of thought invested in them. Sure it's fun to be light once in a while... but there's "light" and then there's "ridiculous" and "completely unnecesary."

**nerve** · 07-03-2004 05:07 AM

Originally posted by O'nus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O'nus)</div>

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP@
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One example: I thought \"n00b\" was a term used in games as an insult, not for dreaming.

n00b (of course) just means \"newb\" short for \"newbie\" meaning someone is NEW to the forum. it's the truth. if it offends someone, that's too damn bad. it's not insulting in anyway. just like Kaniaz said. let;s not get all \"politically correct\" just because a couple n00bs get offended at something stupid. :

Originally posted by Techboy
OK.

I think \"Dream Views\" does suggest \"Dream Interpretation\" a little.

A Dream Interpretation Section may well be a good idea. And an interpretation tutorial.

aye.

This response is a good example of the patronizing of new comers.[/b]

it just pisses me off that some n00bs come in, post for a couple of days and then act like they own the place. :

**Alric** · 07-03-2004 08:59 AM

I always thought everyone was nice on the forum. Atleast on the dream forums everyone is really nice. Some people argue a bit more on the off-topic ones, but even then i wouldn't consider the forum "mean". I seen other forums where people argue all the time and a lot of them all hate each other and stuff, its nothing like that here.

There are a lot of threads that don't seem to say much or repeat old topics, I just skip them though. No one really has to go and read every post heh.

**Lowercase Society** · 07-04-2004 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Paperdoll EP)</div>

Originally posted by O'nus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O'nus)

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<!--QuoteBegin-O'nus

One example: I thought \"n00b\" was a term used in games as an insult, not for dreaming.

n00b (of course) just means \"newb\" short for \"newbie\" meaning someone is NEW to the forum. it's the truth. if it offends someone, that's too damn bad. it's not insulting in anyway. just like Kaniaz said. let;s not get all \"politically correct\" just because a couple n00bs get offended at something stupid. :

Originally posted by Techboy
OK.

I think \"Dream Views\" does suggest \"Dream Interpretation\" a little.

A Dream Interpretation Section may well be a good idea. And an interpretation tutorial.

aye.

This response is a good example of the patronizing of new comers.[/b]

it just pisses me off that some n00bs come in, post for a couple of days and then act like they own the place. :[/b][/quote]

AYE! but people will be people, however much we try and make things better. People are always egocentric, some more than others.
In this case many nOObs, just come and find out something which involves them, and doesn't contribute to the forum...
But anyway...i think this forum is more unique and commititized(is that even a word?) than any other. Period.

**Lowercase Society** · 07-04-2004 10:10 AM

Sorry guys, i forgot something that makes sense and should be seen by itself:

[b][i]'Everybody will inevitably find something wrong

Its the truth...with everything...
even something as beautiful as the dancing banana...people found something wrong with the pixels on it's left arm!

**icedawg** · 07-04-2004 04:02 PM

hey everyone.

thanks for all the feedback; it is extremely appreciated. i just wanted to let you all know that your concerns will not go unheeded. stay tuned for a rather lengthy announcement monday or tuesday which will cover all my proposed solutions to the raised issues, along with some unrelated things as well. pending that announcement i'm going to temporarily close this discussion.

thanks again!