Drugs and LD

[sabian]

Is is easyer to get LD's or WILD's if you take for exampel LSD or mushrooms? I've read about it a fiew times but never tried myself. Anyone who has? //sabian

[gameover]

I dont know about acid and mushrooms for dreaming. I dont see why that would help. I know a friend who took mushrooms and went to sleep and reported nothing. I have heard of connections with Salvium Divinorum and dreaming. In fact I prdered some and its on its way now. Ill post results as they come. But even with Salvia I dont see how It would help entirely. Im thinking itll help me learn how to disconnect from my body. I have trid Salvia quite a bit, but this was all before I intentionally tried getting lucid dreams. Have you read about B6 and melatonin?

[Ev]

Salvia causes insomnia for me.... So in teh end you may be grateful you fell asleep after smoking it however, few times it caused my dreams to "stick together"

[nerdjason]

Hi, I've recently experimented with 5-Hydroxytryptophan. The main benefit is too increase rem sleep thus increasing the chance that you will be able to become lucid. I took 300mg and did have vivid dreams but no lucidity. I attend to attempt this again with a higher dose. Apparently 600mg were able to produce very vivid dreams in the test subjects in the study below. http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/5htp3-4.html

[gameover]

Salvia causes insomnia for me.... [/b] Insomnia? With Salvia??? Wow! Salvia knocks me out! And Im not just reffering to the 5-10 minutes of inter-dimensional travell, either. Afterwards I'm so tired. I can't even imagine insomnia as a result from Salvia, thats bizzare! I've recently experimented with 5-Hydroxytryptophan[/b] WHat's that?

[Ev]

That's 5-HTP. I'm also experimenting with it right now, but only taking 50 mg each night. I took 150 mg tonight, let's see how it'll work. http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/subs...delines_for_Use

[Nebulae]

Dont mess around with that stuff. Its pure seretonin and its goddamn dangerous. I am not saying this because I am anti drugs because I *love* drugs...but seriously, i've had seretonin syndrome before and its awful..

[Ev]

Originally posted by Ev That's 5-HTP. I'm also experimenting with it right now, but only taking 50 mg each night. I took 150 mg tonight, let's see how it'll work. http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/subs...delines_for_Use 150 mg of 5htp made my dreams sooooo clear and vivid, it was incredible!!! Plots were great, next closest thing to LD. All dreams were 1st person, so it was possible to interact with inviroment... DCs were much more "extroverted", and I had numerous conversations and we even acted together. Their speech was very coherent and on topic. There were about 7-8 different episodes (fairly long) lol, it was great

[slimslowslider]

RE 5-HTP - is it something that exists in the brain already? Is there a natural form, like a herb (I don't do artificial chemicals)? Of all the psychedelics I've tried the best for dreaming has to be magic mushrooms (I've only taken Psilocybin semilanceata). I think small doses work best as too much just makes me wired. I recently had some with friends: six of us smoked a joint with a tiny amount in - about 50mg/ approx 5, powdered, two-year-old Welsh ones. Nobody 'tripped' or hallucinated or anything, but the conversation was definitely animated and went on late. The next day we all reported amazing, intense dreams, includingthe people who claimed to not normally dream. PS Mugwort seems to be doing the trick, although not normally classed as a drug!

[slimslowslider]

Done a bit of googling and answered my own questions - thanks anyway! A good website on 5-HTP: http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/whole...ealth/5htp.html A website listing natural sources: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=n...trient&dbid=103 It seems that most 5-HTP is extracted from the seeds of an African plant Griffonia simplicifolia. I am trying to find a supplier of these, but turkey and shrimp are excellent sources too!

[ColtEtish]

Salvia is a great drug, real trippy, but mushrooms and acid you can't fall asleep for a few hours after the trip is finished, so its like 14-16 hours or so after initial injestion on LSD that you can't sleep, lower for shrooms.

[loose id]

Chamomile helps a lil. So does peppermint tea. Shrooms never really changed dreams much for me, but that may be because I usually went to sleep when i was already coming down. I find that with melatonin, it doesn't help dream recall, but I am more likely to go lucid. Must be somethin with seratonin.

[gameover]

I jsut got some 20x salvia and some 5x salvia. Any suggestions on how this would actually help my dreams? Or is it just the experience at any time opens something in the mind. I've done salvia quite a bit in the past but never thoguht about how it would affect my dreams. Does anyone here know much about salvia or is it jsut me?

[loose id]

Salvia in my experience works best when you haven't eaten for a few hours, just before bed, and if you take a huge hit and hold it for at least ten to twenty seconds, then take another huge hit as quickly as you can. It all depends. Some people will take one hit of leaf and trip hard for a half an hour, I can't trip on anything less then five or six huge bong hits of 10x. Lastly, I find that after a night of smoking salvia, I will have very fluid dreams. They're a little more vivid, barely noticeable, but they are much more easier to follow and they have more sensible plot lines.

[gameover]

Thanks, Ill try that, once I get a waterpipe. Most of my salvia experience has been in the mornings. Not all, but most. I'll report any results as they come.

[GenocideREactor]

caffene does it for me... and large quantities of alcohol... but those might not be dreams...

[mushybrains]

The first Time I ever had an LD was after smoking some weed, I kind of reckon it can help with having an LD because it kind of gets you in that floaty , dreamy kind of state of mind.

[gameover]

Pot very commonly puts a damper on dream re-call and users who stop often report a sudden increase in clarity and re-call. I myself being one of them. My lucid dreaming exploded 2 weeks after I quit smoking. When I did smoke my dreams would sort of melt together and If I went lucid it would only last up to a minute. But pot effects everyone completely differently.

[ColtEtish]

Everyone don't stop smoking grass now because of that, just don't do it every day all the time, couple times a week youll be fine

[rifraf]

I just ordered some salvia. 5x 2gramm. can anyone tell me about their experiences with it.. ive had one trip on acid when i was younger.. was cool, but im told salvia is nothing like that.. any input beofre i try wouold be nice.. ive read some reports some good, some bad,, and done some research in the plant itself.. but would very much appreciate first hand accounts of this herbs effects.. thanks

[theroguechemist]

Originally posted by nerdjason+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nerdjason)</div> I've recently experimented with 5-Hydroxytryptophan. The main benefit is too increase rem sleep thus increasing the chance that you will be able to become lucid.[/b] Lol, it's also good for preloading before taking ecstasy to potentiate the experience. <!--QuoteBegin-Nebulae Dont mess around with that stuff. Its pure seretonin and its goddamn dangerous. I am not saying this because I am anti drugs because I *love* drugs...but seriously, i've had seretonin syndrome before and its awful.. Actually, 5-HTP isn't "pure" serotonin. The action of this drug increases your brains own natural serotonin levels, thus, by taking too much, you can experience the very nasty serotonin syndrome. Salvia has always been a favorite of mine for vivid dreams. Pot, I sometimes get the same thing to happen. I don't remember if I had or hadn't had very vivid dreams during the time I was taking 100mg 5-HTP daily. I don't believe LSD or mushrooms would necesarily make you have more vivid dreams, because frankly, I can't see myself falling asleep on either of them. Of course, if you planned your trip so that you had a light one with a comedown just before bed, I'm sure you could expect some very vivid and interesting dreams. The B6 + melatonin pills I have work wonders, as well. I take them haphzardly on nights when I remember/am bored. The interactions and contraindictions of these drugs I do not know for sure, so I'm not going to just combine everything I have and hope for a super-dream, because frankly, that probably wouldn't happen. Caffeine, as best as I can remember, does nothing for me. Not even any stimulant properties when taken in pill form.. Once I took (10) 200mg pills, fell asleep about an hour later, and when I woke up and walked upstairs, I puked. Try them all, see what works best for you. BESIDES THEY'RE SO EASY TO JACK FROM STORES! .. *cough*. PS: Taking drugs whilst in a dream totally owns. Too bad for me it's only been a 20mg OxyContin pill, that (unrealistically), I felt in about 10 seconds after ingestion. But man, it was sweet.

[nina]

When I first began having LDs a few years ago I had no idea what they were, all I knew was that they were cool as hell. I started having them around the same time I was doing ecstacy. We'd do it like once or twice a month. I haven't done it in a year and the LDs stopped for awhile, until I did some research about how to get them back last week and they have come back with little effort. I really think that the x might have opened up a part of my mind I wouldn't have otherwise been able to explore. We would also occasionally "preload" with the 5-htp before hand so that could have contributed as well. However, I know that isn't the reason I initially had the LDs b/c we didn't start taking 5-htp until later.

[theroguechemist]

Originally posted by rifraf I just ordered some salvia. 5x 2gramm. *can anyone tell me about their experiences with it.. ive had one trip on acid when i was younger.. was cool, but im told salvia is nothing like that.. any input beofre i try wouold be nice.. ive read some reports some good, some bad,, and done some research in the plant itself.. but would very much appreciate first hand accounts of this herbs effects.. thanks My experiences with salvia have been marginal at best. I really do recommend blocking out external stimuli that will snap you back into reality. Because the moment you realize that you're under the influence of the drug, you (I) try to enter a concious state, which sends me back to reality: total, honest, trip is about 20 seconds, then I feel out of it, with the salvia gravity pulling on me, it's like being drunk or high. My mindset changes into somewhat of a child.. Our first salvia experiences was with 3 other friends, car parked in a deserted culdisac, in the evening, smoking 10x non-standardized salvia divinorum extract via homemade bong. Each of us used about 1 bowl. While kneeling on the ground, the tar, I found myself immersed in another world, I was sitting on this abnormally large couch, and my friends' legs were.. somethings, I couldn't remember. Another time, while taking salvia divinorum plain leaf, via homemade bong, in a forest, in the evening, with another friend. We'd inhale 3 nitrous bulbs after/while smoking as well. I came to, panting, hands and feet on the dirt, crawling around, breathing heavily. Another time, in my basement, with my other 3 friends again, we were using plain leaf with nitrous bulbs. I hallucinated this really weird train station/system of which manifested my basement, and then I was traveling up this conal-shaped feature as I hit waves of conciousness.. Finally, this cone I realized was the orange chair I was sitting on, at which point I hit the tip of the cone, and I looked to my left, saw a couch, and it looked pleasing to jump up on, so I did, balanced nervously (as my friends would say), leaped onto the concrete (face first as my friends would say), ran, slipped, fell, at which point my friend forcibly held me down. He asked me, he said, "What's 7 times 9?!" "It's 56!" "..No it isn't!" *thinks*.. "It's 63!" "yeah" "no no dude I always had trouble with them ones" *lets me go* This friend, who is naturally overly sensitive to drugs of all natures, has quite the more remarkable experiences with salvia. He hallucinates completely, immersing himself in strange worlds, in which common themes are 2d-ness, tiling, "big trick" of the universe, knowing he'll never come back/see his family/friends again, getting stuck in infinite loops, etc.. He's told me he probably won't do it again as he's starting to see repetition in the experiences..