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Everyone has lucid dreams throught there lives, they might not realize it but they do. I remember before I joined this site and really learned what Lucid Dreaming was, I had Lucid all the time, but I never knew thats what they were called untill after I joined. But untill you know what Lucid Dreaming is and you learn to control your dreams, its just not any fun.
That's how I was Before I joined here.
I had something like 9 lucid dreams before I knew I could control them.
If only I knew, I would have been trying to lucid for several years, but since I didn't know i could control the dream I didn't care about it at all.
yah, everyone can realize they are dreaming.
O SHIZ its a cat girl must be dreaming.! either that or im at slayers house...
I really don't remember any instances of lucid dreams before I started trying.
Or in his mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarboy
Actually not everyone just lucid dreams naturally throughout their lives, or at least they don't remember it when they wake up. I had my first one at 16 and I was like "WTF?!"
I have read about a lot of naturals on here though who have great dream control and love having fun lucid dreams, even before they found out what it was and any techniques to induce/control them.
Um... the whole point of having a lucid dream hinges on the fact that you realize it. So if you aren't realizing it... well, you aren't lucid dreaming...
I managed to have two very brief lucid dreams before I started my training. I had one in 1997, and another in... well, a decade later :oops:
Hopefully I can start having them more frequently!
im talking about being able to remember them and that kind of stuff.
The number of noobs on here trying hard to have lucids without ever recalling one.... clearly, not everyone just naturally has and recalls lucid dreams, especially not throughout their lives. Try posting this in the noob section, and I wonder how much you will hear about it :tongue:
On the other hand, I have met about 5 people who have them and recall them, though they may not know the term or that they could be controlled. 2 of them were naturals and 2 of them only mentioned one ld, so it's not like it happened over their lives. All of them seemed to think that they couldn't be controlled, and see them in a negative light :shock: Pff. I wish I had those problems. Ignorance is easy to remedy, but lucidity can be hard to learn :(
actually becoming lucid can be quite common
it's the control part that gets people
The only difficulty is training yourself to realize that you are dreaming o.O
I don't think you could say 'most' people...
No one ever asked me if I had ever lucid dreamed before... I'm assuming most people in the world haven't taken a survey with the question 'do you lucid dream' on it.
Some people are natural at dream recall, others aren't. I would imagine people have lucid dreams without recalling them, probably people who don't know what it is... I have met a token few lucky folk who had lucid dreams on a regular basis without knowing what it was.
My best friend for example - I was talking to her about lucid dreaming and my dream journal, etc. etc... She looks at me and goes, "wait, I do that all the time - almost every night I know I'm dreaming and I control the dream however I want. I thought everyone could do that without trying..."
Same thing here with one of my friends. I have quite a difficult time believing that anyone can be "natural" at something as infuriatingly hit-or-miss (to me at least) as lucid dreaming, but...him? The sort of guy that you just have to know in order to appreciate how weird he really is?Quote:
Originally Posted by cacophony
I know what you mean....
It doesn't feel fair, but then again - nothing is.
I believe everyone does or can, as well! :)
no offence to people on this forum but you obviously dont understand what im saying...
i admit no one has ld's all the time without trying but for example everyone remembers some dreams, its not like its a power granted to those who understand it, its a natural occurance and it can and WILL happen to anyone. granted it wont be everyday like some of the people on this site but they DO have a FORM of a Lucid Dream.
good point. but still people remember bits and pieces of their dreams every once and a while, almost everyone i know has told me of a dream they had and i ask them if they know what its called when they remember it and they all say "no, what is it?" and i tell them, and a few of them have even joined this site because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I'm confused, are you talking about remembering regular dreams or remembering lucid dreams?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
But yea I agree and understand (I think) what you are saying, that people can randomly have lucids, but not control them, and not realize how much fun is openly accessible. I have met people who lucid dream pretty randomly or whatever, who don't know about it, and don't know that it can be induced or controlled. This seems to contrast with those 'naturals'. But I think the difference between people like that and myself, is that people like me went, "Oh my god that was the most incredible experience of my life" and looked it up, because of some inherent interest in dreams and realizing the possibilities, while others didn't or just flat out weren't really interested in dreams. And then I guess you could say that the only difference between naturals and myself is that they experience lucid dreams at a higher frequency, and learned to control them without consulting outside sources. I'm a child of my generation and I use the internet for everything, so even before I had my second 'natural' lucid dream I'd already read up on it and read about all the techniques to induce and control. Maybe I just got ahead of myself :tongue: Maybe the only difference is that I experienced it at 16, and they all seem to have experienced it earlier in life? Had I had this knowledge that it was possible (I would have absolutely had the interest), I'd probably have grown up lucid dreaming, too.
Some of course hear about it and don't recall ever having had such an experience, maybe they never did or maybe it was simply forgotten, and so they have to research their way into lucid dreaming.
Everyone here realizes that lucid dreams are natural, I think.
You're fringing on tautology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
Yes, everyone has the ability to recollect and have lucid dreams. Yes, the frequency of these skills is based on someones education and awareness of the topic.
What exactly are you saying here..? Couldn't you say the same thing about mathematics..? Everyone will intuitively use mathematics to some degree before formally learning about it. So, what is your point..?
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I don't remember having any lucids before my friend introduced me to them but I just had a dream where I was telling my friend about a dream I had with him in it :/.
Exactly, thats what im saying. dream recal can happen to anyone but dream control is only obtained through practice, and thats not possible without knowing how. so no, not everyone has lucids but in a way, everyone does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I knew what lucids were but wasn't able to get any 'real' lucids so I stopped trying and gave up the whole dreaming thing until very recently when I accidentally had one so now I'm trying to induce em.
Can you post a sentence clearly stating what it is that you're trying to say? Cause... I'm still confused.
what a sweeping generalization...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
:offtobed:
Tweek
Though it is certainly true everyone has the potential for lucid dreams, not everyone has had one before. Though I have talked to people about them and they didn't know the name of the occurrence, but they had had the experience.
thats what im talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Grod
Yeah I think this might be true, I remember talking to my friends about choosing what you dream when I was a kid. We all seemed to do it..
A friend has lucid dreams almost every time he goes to sleep without practice, he told me so when I told him about my lucid experience. I asked him what he does and he does a lot of the stuff every one on this forum does in his lucid dreams. For him it is quite common to become lucid.
While I on the other hand had to read about lucid dreaming first then I got 3 lucid dreams within 3 weeks after that without even trying to get one. For some reason I just told my self in those 3 dreams "I am dreaming", never did any RC. But I managed to fly. My dream recall sucks though, in the weekends and vacations I remember my dreams perfectly, but on school days I just remember small parts that happens before I wake up and special happenings. I guess I'm too stressed out on school days.
Why have you ignored my question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
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Ya, I gotta say, I even just talked to some people this morning and they didn't "believe in lucid dreams"... Even though I said that it's been proven scientifically and all that. So I'm sure those people never had lucids :P.
This thread smacks unpleasantly of armchair research. I'd be interested to know if any serious attempt has been made to ask the general public about LDing. In fact, as far as I know, no serious push has been made to make the public AWARE that such a thing as LDing exists. It certainly has a tinge of New Age Bullshit whenever I mention it to "civilians" (and the imagery and language that LDers tend to use may strenghten that perception somewhat).
It's odd, considering how mind-blowing it is and how beneficial applied LDing could be for a number of people. It's weirdly overlooked.
Time to something about that! Who wants to join my LD Awareness Organization= :)
Ya man, it really pisses me off. Sometimes when I mention it to someone or ask them about it they act like I'm stating some paranormal, psychic phenomenon when in reality it's concrete and heavily supported. Then they may go ahead and question it even though they have 0 information on the topic (and I tell them to do a little research before talking), yet they somehow think just because they haven't had one it doesn't exist. Please don't speak if you haven't atleast done some reading :?.
In general, all of my friends accept it as it is, and are a lil' bit interested in dreams. Two of them have LD's, but one hasn't got any control, and the other's control sucks, quite frankly.
(Dream recall and control come natural to me, but not dream realization :P )
P.S: I'm going to do my talk for English about LDing :) I already cooked up an intro.
I have never had one, which is why I want to learn so badly now.
I told my girlfriend about it, and we realized she's a natural. She thought everyone did it. She then asked two of her friends, and they too were naturals. I then asked both my parents, and both my parents recalled having lucid dreams.
That made me feel like a moron. Even though my girlfriend says she can change the dream, I get the feeling she doesn't have much control from what she tells me about her dreams. She also has very poor recall.
She tells me I'm getting my hopes up and that I'll probably be like "what's the big deal" when I finally do have a lucid dream.
I hear this claim made all the time - "everyone has lucid dreams, just not everyone knows it". Why do people keep saying this, when it's probably not true, and at any rate, there's no way of knowing?
I was lucky enough to experience lucids before I even know what they were.
This was primarily due to the strange sleeping patterns (lots of lie ins) I enjoyed at university. I even worked out ways to maintain the dream when it started to fade - which were very similar to those detailed in Laberges book when I finally discovered it.
That’s not what I’m saying first of all, ya sure, Lucid Dreaming is something you need to learn how to do before you can accomplish it, but that’s beside the point. The point I'm making is that everyone has dreams, the only difference between us who know how to have Lucid’s and them are that we can control them, they on the other hand only remember their dreams, so I guess in a way their Lucid Dreaming, because remembering what you dreamed about is called Dream Recall which IS a Lucid Dreaming technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
So I guess what I'm trying to say is, and based on the reactions of everyone posting to this thread, dreaming ISa natural occurrence and everyone has dreams they remember, the only difference is: they are not controlling their dreams, where as those who know how to, do.
And I'm sorry I didn't answer right away.
Unsupported sweeping statement #1, subsequently disclaimed by the OP. Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
Unsupported sweeping statement #2. Hmmm.. getting good, this.Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarboy
May I paraphrase, to make my own comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by shift
You have read some accounts about self-proclaimed "naturals" on here, though, who claim to have great dream control.. even before they claim to have found out what it was.. but then there's always the "Validity Quotient" to take into account.
Unsupported sweeping statement #3.Quote:
Originally Posted by lagunagirl
I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard such a story. On the numerous occasions that I've put such claims to the test (when friends have made similar comments, and I've encountered such claims since Infant School btw) the result has been complete failure to replicate their claims on the part(s) of the claimer(s). (I'm not alone in this. Another DV member periodically tests some people who make such claims. I might add that most of such people refuse to participate, giving every excuse under the sun).The most recent one that I encountered perfectly illustrates what I mean: a friend of mine and I were talking about metaphysical aspects of life (as you do when skunked out of your box) and he suddenly came out with words to the effect of: "I can visualise anything perfectly just by closing my eyes and concentrating..", to which I countered: "Really? Could you perfectly visualise your hands?" He replied that that would be easy, and that he would do it that very night, at my suggestion. So.. days go by, and he says nothing. I hang fire, and 3 weeks later, he still hasn't said anything. So.. I gently broach the subject again, and he immediately takes umbrage, gets completely defensive, and avoids answering the question.. but I don't let it go, and remind him of what he had claimed before, to which he replies:"Oh no! I never said that!" I affirm that he did, but he denies ever saying what I quoted, saying that what he had actually said was that once he had had a "perfect" visualisation that came out of the blue, and that he had never made the claim that I quoted. I have seen such behaviour many times in my life (I'm 53). When you put these people on the spot, they wither away. People are terrible exaggerators/bullshitters/liars, and I include children in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacophony
Unsupported sweeping statement #4.Quote:
Originally Posted by o'nus
Unsupported sweeping statement #5Quote:
Originally Posted by grod
Another quid in my burgeoning coffer. Neko-san? Come on.. your friend says that he can do it. That doesn't mean that he does it. It just means that he says he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by neko-san
Unsupported sweeping statement #6. No, it hasn't. What has been shown under lab conditions is that sometimes while asleep, the brain does strange things, generally, but not exclusively, attributed to an increase in Serotonin. The fact that the sleeping subjects claimed to have been LDing at the time does not "scientifically prove" lucid dreaming. Also, I am 100% positive that LaBerge never factored in the Validity Quotient in his research. Maybe he's never heard of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lusense
At last.. someone thinking outside the box, using initiative of thought, not jumping on bandwagons. A depressingly rare quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by vonklammo
:roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by carwashguy
Yay! Another thinker-outside-the-box! There is hope..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon
That's just about all I wanted to say.
Bring on the flames, and the ban (again)..
What would be the opposing argument to you..? I don't know.. I thought that what you were saying was obvious - people have dreams and lucid dreams is simply controlling them. I don't see anything "special" about it that separates us from other dreamers. Hell, many people learn to lucid dream on their own!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
I don't disagree with you or anything, I'm more curious why you felt the need to post this which seems obvious truth to me, personally..?
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Holy cow, Oneiro, it's an internet forum, not a scientific journal! :rolleyes:
I objected to the original claim because it's one of those urban myths that frequently gets repeated as fact. I hardly think it's necessary to scientifically verify every statement made on the internet under lab conditions. If we were to apply those standards to your post we would have to conclude that you had not done sufficient research, nor quoted sources, to justify your opinion that the original posts were unfounded.
Oneiro, everything is an unsupported sweeping statement when it comes to dreams.
It's a completely subjective experience, and the 'know that you are dreaming', is utter bullshit. Differentiating between reality and dream, while dreaming, is just speculation, and vice versa -- you can only 'know' that you are the dreamer.
Putting someone in a lab and plugging them up to see brain activity, means shit all imo. The term lucid dreaming itself is sketchy, and I'll bet you've seen the array of posts asking 'was this a lucid dream'.
Dreaming of lucid dreaming, I think is often taken as lucid dreaming itself, and determining real control and awareness doesn't lie within the boundaries of 'I know that I'm dreaming'.
Do you lucid dream naturally? If not, then you have no say on the validity of 'naturals', and personally I'm wondering why you care if someone wants to lie, they're only cheating themselves.
I don't know if I have 'lucid dreams' any more. Almost all of my dreams are with high awareness and I have control over them from an objective detached standpoint, as well as being absorbed in them at the same time -- a double pointed awareness which technically doesn't relate to lucidity at all.
Only sometimes do I say "I am lucid dreaming" and recently I have been saying that deliberately to see if it makes a difference, which it doesn't seem to. That said, for the beginner of self-aware dreaming I think that it makes a huge difference, because it helps with the detachment as well as the involvement.
Real control comes from detachment, real sense-experience comes from being involved, together they are what I call a lucid dream, not a simple 'oh I'm dreaming', which lasts for maybe a few minutes because people get so distracted.
I say I am a natural, because it's so effortless, I have no evidence nor motive to prove to you even if I believed it were possible. There are others that dream like I do, or at least claim to.
Skepticism and cynicism are far apart. One shows intelligence, the other shows ignorance.
I'm just surprised that this thread has managed to get to 2 pages long :roll:
If the original OP of the thread had said something like "Having dreams is a prerequisite to Lucid Dreaming" then everyone would have been much more enlightened on what he was trying to say, rather than stating that everyone has lucid dreams, lol
The first statement wouldn't have been much fun though and I like ambiguity in a post :cheeky:
Absolutely. Such things get my goat as well. Do I have to tell you that such sites as this one are replete with such bs? I sincerely hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon
I absolutely agree. Mankind likes to think that its prognostications are valuable and important, when, IMO, in the overall scheme of things, we are insignificant specks of shite, whose musings mean absolutely nothing. It's theQuote:
Originally Posted by paragon
ego that holds us back as a species.. the innate sense of self-importance that is instilled in all of us from birth by our peers.. IMO.
Oh Jesus.. (vernacular, not literal).. I like the way that you use the pronoun "we", automatically assuming that you are speaking for Mankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon
"We would have to conclude that.. etc etc.." is your personal opinion, NOT a truism.. and let me add.. I have no idea what you are referring to about "scientific" backup for my personal observations. You might like to think (when it suits you) that such nomenclature adds gravitas to your musings. <Shakes head in derision> You seem to be able to adopt a belief that a "scientific" analysis is intrinsically more "valid" than a "non-scientific" one.. (again.. when it suits you).. "letters-after-one's-name" does not equal "truth" IMO...
Just what exactly is your point?
And also: which statement(s) that I made is/are "unsupported"?
Don't get your knickers in a twist, mate. It's only the internet.
Is there any logical reason why somebody who can remember dreams, would not be able to get Lucid? Granted they have enough motivation.
I learned how to do it on my own, when I didn't know anybody else was doing it. If I could do it, I don't see why anyone else wouldn't be able to.
No, Jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson1610
No.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeees.. I absolutely agree.. but.. I sense a "but" coming..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Yeeeeeeeeeeees.. I absolutely agree.. but..<dons flak helmet, expecting incoming>..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Yeeeeeeeeeeees.. absolutely agree again.. <gets into armoured vehicle and hunkers down>..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Oh oh.. <incomiing goes completely over Oneiro's head.. radios HQ.. GOC absent.. realises he's on his own.>Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Ummmm.. yes CloD.. :? <what the f is he/she on about?>
Ummmmm.. well.. I LD.. and is what I do "natural"? Ummmm.. I surmise that I must do it "naturally"?Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
..but then..
Ummmm.. CloD? Could you give me your personal definition of "dreaming naturally".. because you're beginning to lose me here.. I can't honestly answer your question without knowing what you exactly mean..
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Your personal definition of a "natural" is..? I ask this because there is no (IMO) universally-accepted definition of a "natural LDer".. I can't answer your point until I know exactly what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Care? Care? I don't give a shit one way or the other.. you think I care? <Dons anti-delusion helmet inside armoured vehicle>.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Right.. I've made an appointment for you in the LAKRC. They'll sort out your complete confusion of vocab and diction, and hopefully they'll enable you to express your opinions in comprehensible english. Don't worry.. I'll pay the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Huh? What? The LAKRC? What's it stand for? Oh.. right.. it's the:
Los Angeles Knobhead Rehab Clinic.
What? No.. no.. don't thank me..
Oh. So.. is this your backhanded way of admitting that you can't actually LD?Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Absolutely agree..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Oh shite.. here comes the new-age speak..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Well.. I say you're a bullshitter, because you make such claims..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
On the one hand, you state that, for you, LDing is "effortless"..
On the other hand, you post nothing to substantiate such claims.. you even post your own self-doubt that you can actually LD.
IMO you're just another charlatan looking for sycophants.. but hey.. "prove" me wrong.
Ummmmm.. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.. (still waiting for a "but")..Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
So... what do your innate scepticism and cynicism tell you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
..and..
My main riposte..
What the f exactly was your point writing all that?
I would appreciate a succinct reply.. no (attempted but not obtained)verbosity..
If that's atall possible for you..
Too friggin' right, me ol' chav mucker..Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon
Look, bullshit responses like that I consider trolling.
This isn't Senseless Banter.
Natural - without effort. That's my definition and I made it quite clear in what I said. This isn't an argument on nature vs nurture.
The entire point was that what you're saying about validity of naturals isn't justified, because lucidity is a subjective experience, and that the definition itself isn't always applicable. I applied that towards my own experiences and explained it.
Sense-experience, is the most real thing there is. Labelling senses as new-age? Disinformation tactics?
Double pointed awareness - by that I meant (as I already clearly put it) being both detached as well as involved. Like watching a movie, but also watching yourself watch the movie.
I already stated I'm not looking to validate my experience of dreams to you, nor believe it is it even possible to do so. I would've thought that was also made clear.
'Can't actually LD'? Only for the last year have I really been not 'lucid dreaming' in the context of the definition, and I also stated that.
Your arrogant and cynical posting mixed with insults won't be tolerated, towards myself or any other member. As I said, this isn't Senseless Banter.
Don't go off on a tangent to discuss supposed threatening demeanour, how the mods are nazis, insults, and anything under the sun that so contributes to the obviousness that you're trolling.
Now if only you will reply with any coherence of how I am wrong, and that you are justified in your claims that everyone is lying about having lucid dreams without effort, and somehow still maintain that you don't care.
Oneiro, I'm just curious, could you summarise your key arguments or purports for those who are trying to grasp the crux of this debate, like myself? It's hard to follow through the rebuttals and probably worth re-iterating anyway.
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I've yet to.
hmm... Well, the main reason I posted this thread was to see how everyone felt about the subject and that kind of thing, not to point out something I believed no one else knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Everytime I see the title of this thread pop up, I'm reminded of my niece's potty training book.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2032/...40aa06.jpg?v=0
No it isn't. This is worse than the time I had an argument with my Dad about when the cricket year begins.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
I think that some people who are reading this thread are misunderstanding what it's trying to say.
Most people do at least two or three LDs within their lifetimes by random coincidence. I think that when some people look at this thread, they assume that it means everyone lucid dreams FREQUENTLY. It doesn't. I can honestly say that I have LDs before I knew about this site. But the thing is, I only remember, like, two within the entire 15 years before I joined. Every time I tell someone what a lucid dream is, 90% of the people say, "I've had one of those before!" but I only know one person who is a natural. I beleive that within a good life of 70+ years, everyone has had at least ONE lucid, but probably doesn't remember it. The probability of not having an LD within 70 years, even by random coincidence, is about 102,272 to 1... Even less if that person has had a reocurring dream, or DEILDed by accident (I've done that before). I'm sure that there's that 1 out of 102,272 people who doesn't, but in general, just about everyone lucid dreams SOMETIMES.
You amaze me.. I thought it was obvious.. but.. okay..fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Hmmmm.. let me think.. okay:
"Don't believe the hype."
That just about says it, I think.
And CloD? Notwithstanding your PMed threats to myself, I note with resignation that you didn't answer my question.
Just what exactly was your point?
No, that's exactly how I interpreted the original post - pure speculation without any evidence. You have provided one piece of anecdotal evidence, but it is the opposite of my own experience. I'm very curious to know how you managed to define a probability for your contention (actually not really).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mini Man56
Meh... The probability probably isn't that accurate...Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon
I just took 365 days a year times 70, then factored in leap year, then multiplied it by an average of four dreams per night. You have a chance for a lucid in every dream... So yeah... 102,272.
But wait! I forgot to count naps! xP
Tread carefully paragon.. you're on eggshells here. You know about "Dad's Army"?Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon
"They don't like it up 'em, Mr. Mainwaring!"
Ever been banned? Well.. try not to give 'em any excuse to ban you.. not that that will stop 'em if you really get up their noses by daring to question their own status quo..
Just realise that some mods here are extremely full of their own self-importance.. so be aware.
Just my opinion.
I agree with this. I personally believe that everyone has probably had an LD in their lifetime but most don't remember it. Want proof? I can't really give you any, its my own opinion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mini Man56
No, I don't think everyone has had a LD in their life... why? Because there is babys who die before having their first dream (after being born) and I count these in the "everyone" lol
Then again, chances is most of humans actually get one or more, but with chances, it is so relative.
Also, oneiro, I would suggest not to do what you tell others not to do. (Say unsopported things, for example)
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Originally Posted by Oneiro
And those PMs weren't threats, they were ofishoil warnings for trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
Ignoring the replies to your questions with 'resignation'? More disinformation tactics and asshattery?
You're not saying what hype or why. Anecdotal reasoning is nothing at face-value. Although the reasoning may seem intuitive to you, it's good to supply it. Otherwise, it is a sweeping unsupported claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
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Originally Posted by Oneiro
O'nus.. I can't believe that you're actually as big a moron as you appear.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Did you not read my post(s) where I broke down what I felt were the "hype" statements? And then gave my reasoning behind it, and some of my personal experience thereof? You spot any "intuition" there? I certainly don't.
Do you know what the word "hype" means? The etymology? It comes from "hyperbole" which means "exaggeration for effect". It's all over this site IMO. Probably an age thing IMO. Believe you me, people do it less-and-less as they get older and more experienced IMO.
Now.. where's that CloD?
So.. by your same reasoning, the pronouncements of such "naturals" must also be invalid... indeed, by that same reasoning, anything anyone ever says about LDing must ergo be invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloD
Which is what I was saying all the time.. "don't believe the hype" IMO.
Get out of that one without moving.
Pathetic. Implicit in such a "warning" is a threat of some form of punishment. Threats they most certainly are.. but.. do your worst, if it'll assuage your ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloD
Well.. you had to be prompted to clarify your point, didn't you? If I'd said nothing, you wouldn't have replied to my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloD
And.. "disinformation tactics". Are you kidding? My whole diatribe was completely anti-disinformation. Makes me wonder, I have to say, if you actually bothered to read properly what I wrote. Maybe you were too busy flexing your PM-threat muscles?
BTW I've left a little joke for you in the jokes thread as a parting gift. Enjoy.
Ta-ta.
Ok, according to that, you must provide the proof of you being 53 and the proof of these experiences being true. Because, of course, if there is no "Validity Quotient" from other posters or people who share experiences, there is none from you, either, and therefore you may be one of these young liars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
The hype? That is the very same thing you're doing while posting, putting hype on lies that may or may not exist, and we have no way of knowing in an internet forum.
Oh and don't forget the hype on how evil mods are <.< (Even if you use the IMO, it is hype)
:lock: Since you people can't have conversations without attacking and insulting each other.
If you are interested in this thread being reopened, and are willing to promise not to personally attack one another and just discuss your ideas, PM me.
I've reopened the thread. Unless you guys can behave in an appropriate manner, it will be re-locked. Please conduct yourselves properly, it's really not that hard to have a discussion without descending into pettiness and insults.