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Sleep paralysis is just a device that prevents you from acting out dreams, and usually has hypnogogic hallucinations to accompany it. He wants to experience the hallucinations.

Originally Posted by PSPSoldier534

Sleep paralysis is just a device that prevents you from acting out dreams, and usually has hypnogogic hallucinations to accompany it. He wants to experience the hallucinations.

Read the thread. You are talking about REM atonia. The hallucinations that occur during REM are REM dreams. You're talking about hypnagogic hallucinations.

Originally Posted by Shift

Read the thread. You are talking about REM atonia. The hallucinations that occur during REM are REM dreams. You're talking about hypnagogic hallucinations.

...That's exactly what I'm talking about... not dreams, just HH.

Originally Posted by PSPSoldier534

...That's exactly what I'm talking about... not dreams, just HH.

But you are confusing all the terms. For newbs' sake, just read up on the difference between sleep paralysis, rem atonia, and HH

Shift,

Rem Atonia/Sleep Paralysis, Potatoes/patatas.
I understand where your coming from, but I don't think your going to change the terminology. If its good enough for laberge, its good enough for most of us.

BTW Attaining SP is a legitimate way of lucid dreaming. Its not the only way, it may not be the most effective way, but yes, SP can reasonably be a goal.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Shift,

Rem Atonia/Sleep Paralysis, Potatoes/patatas.
I understand where your coming from, but I don't think your going to change the terminology. If its good enough for laberge, its good enough for most of us.

BTW Attaining SP is a legitimate way of lucid dreaming. Its not the only way, it may not be the most effective way, but yes, SP can reasonably be a goal.

Personally I really don't care about terminology, the rest of the world can have no idea for all I care. Anyone not willing to do a bit of reading can live on in ignorance. But as a DG my responsibility is to make sure that new members understand these things. Don't you think it's important that the OP understand wtf REM sleep is, REM atonia, and 'sleep paralysis' (by nearly any of it's 'definitions'?) I mean SP during REM sleep? Moving during SP? That shows a serious lack of understanding that I think needs to be clarified so that the OP can achieve his goals. As responsible members you guys ought to be promoting that, not pretending that the words matter and that the original post isn't in need of some straightening out.

Anyway he's talking about hypnagogia, particularly the tactile hallucinations it seems, not sleep paralysis (the physical paralysis of your body outside of rem sleep) or REM atonia.

All I think is that the scemantic difference between Rem Atonia (Commonly know as Sleep Paralysis) and Sleep Paralysis (The "hag" syndrome) isn't that big a deal.

C'mon Shift, we've discussed this before. I think pushing this issue is more confusing for the newbies because:
a) Sleep Paralysis is indeed a generally accepted terminology in the forum.
b) It is used in exactly the same way in Lucid dreaming books.

The other issue was SP as a means to Lucid Dreaming. Though its not your preference, or indeed maybe not the most effective way of achieving a LD, it does work as part of the stepping stones to LD. Its also quite cool in its own right.

Not trying to get in your face here. I value your opinion and advice.
Just trying to make myself clear.