We know the Good, what about the Bad and Ugly??

OK so we all know why lucid dreaming is awesome and in all ways good.

However, ever since I've started my "lucid training" aka joined the site, been doing all the tecniques, had a LD once a week for almost two months.... I've noticed a kind "battle" happening between me and my mind. It's like since I've opened this "portal" my mind is trying to fight it. Every night now I have weird sh*t happening. I'll hear an animal scurrying around, when nothing is there, I"ll here singing, I"ll here my boyfriend say something, one time I heard my dog bark so loud I yelled at him "Quiet! and my boyfriend looked at me like I was crazy because my dog was sound asleep.

Then last night, I was going to sleep (not trying to LD at all) and I was only lying there for a few minutes when all of a sudden I was walking down a hall and then turned my head and right in front of my face were two really ugly HUGE spider/dragon fly looking things, I jumped up startled and let out a little shreak. Again my boyfriend looked at me like I was crazy. It was like that feeling you get when you feel like your falling and your wake yourself up, but this time I saw these creatures.

I dont' know if anyone else is experiencing this, but now I'm understanding how people can hallucinate and have to go to a shrink. I'm not saying I'm there yet, but if this is happening only after a couple months of LDing then I have to wonder..... Does it get worse?? or Maybe I am crazy??? :shock:

Do you mean like... as you're falling awake you're more aware and processing your hypnagogic hallucinations? Or that you're flat-out hallucinating all the time? If it's the latter I'd say you're already to the point where a doctor might be a good idea :?

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Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

It was like that feeling you get when you feel like your falling and your wake yourself up, but this time I saw these creatures.

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it sounds like you're just becoming more aware of your own everyday hallucinations.

Yes. You are crazy.

Seriously though, I think it's only hypnagogic hallucinations.

I've never heard of it happening so often before though.

ahhhh....Yeah I think it's just HH, but like i said, so many instances in just 2 months, eek.

I'm curious to know what other "bad or ugly" LD experiences ppl get....can one get to the point that the lines of reality and dreaming are blurred beyond distinction, I also heard once that LD is bad for the liver?? WTH

I"m sure there's a thread on here somewhere....

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Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

can one get to the point that the lines of reality and dreaming are blurred beyond distinction,

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It would be a poor lucid dreamer indeed who could end up this way, because learning to lucid dream means learning to distinguish between dream and reality, not the other way around. You have the knowledge and understanding of what you're experiencing, it's just that you're aware of them now as most people aren't. Are you intentionally WILDing, or just aware of your hypnagogics as you drift off?

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Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

I also heard once that LD is bad for the liver?? WTH

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...good lawd.

lmao!

Bad for your liver?

Slap whoever told you that.

I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. As mentioned before, this is most likely hypnagogic hallucinations.

I have this happen to me every so often. Once I was home alone and I heard my mom's voice saying things about a brand of paper towels, as if she were doing a commercial. It was only a brief snippet, couldn't have lasted more than a second. I see things more often than hearing them, though.

Anyway, I really don't think it means you're going crazy.

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I also heard once that LD is bad for the liver?? WTH

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Whoever said that didn't have a clue what they were talking about. :wtf:

my advice would be to just be observant. of everything, so that you arent bursting out if something bothers you or freightens you. simply, dont act out, just observe and see what comes of whatever it is that is bothering you. It also helps to have someone whom you can openly discuss the things going on in your mind with,

good advice thanks...

Yeah I told my boyfriend about it, he didn't really seem to understand or care a whole lot, he hasn't had a lucid dream either so....

Last night I heard more singing :shock:

maybe you're too focused on lucid dreaming then, and its more important than it, i dont want to say should be, but, could be. maybe try pouring your focus into other thinggs, like, .. well i dont know what interests you, but maybe a little break, focus wise, from lucid dreaming could help. dont get in the mind set that you're crazy though, the more you think that the more it will affect you. I say dont be too conserned with what you cant control, because you were really never in control in the first place :D, if that makes sense,. take what you're getting as a gift, and next time you hear singing, sing along with them :boogie: lol.

and if anyone is telling you you're crazy. theyre more than likely just ignorant. a

lucid dreaming is perfectly healthy and normal, it doesn't cause hallucinations

but bad sleeping habits can!

wait does this stuff happen when your awake during the day? or just when your going to sleep. coz if it was just when you were going to sleep i totally wudn't worry about it. you prob just have hard core HH which can involve hearing things. but if its during the day... i dunno. mayb get it checked out. unless your always tired and drifting off coz then u go straight to rem and cud be HH agen lol

MM - No, its definilty only when I"m going to sleep.... and I'm sure it is just HH and its' also me being AWARE of falling asleep which is why I'm probably hearing/seeing these things...

Thanks again for the advice BChill, however, I"m not obsessed or focused on Lding right now at all, tha'ts the wierd thing. Yes, ofcourse its always on my mind, but ever since I had my first controlled WILD, I'll get spontaneous wilds and these spontaneous hallucinations wihtout wanting them or thinking about it or inducing anything.

I work M-F 40 hours, go to gym, walk my dog, do community work, family time, social time, so I have other areas where I focus alot, but something in my head has changed..... I don't know. I love lucid dreaming and want to do it more, but I 'm just curious if anyone else has felt this..

Also.... I started having SP episodes about 5 years ago and would get one every couple months, now, since I began LDing more, I get into SP (unvoluntarily) once a week!

Maybe my body/brain reacted too well to LDing and I guess I have to get used to it....I just hope it doesn't go beyond my control...

Jur - Thanks for the optimism, although, I have to disagree slightly, I don't think LDing is that NORMAL, infact its very abnormal, i'ts normal to us though. As far as perfectly healthy, well there is no proof saying it isn't but there is no proof saying it is....it is still a very unknown world of the abnormal (but I love it and fear it) hehe

If you say this usually happens when you go to sleep, it definitely sounds like HH to me. It's probably more pronounced now that you think about it more...which is not a bad thing in terms of being successful at lucid dreaming. However, if it does get too out of control, I'd suggest taking a break from lucid dreaming for a while..obviously. It may also just be a phase, I mean.. how long ago did you discover lucid dreaming? I don't know about you, but when I get into something really exciting such as this, I get a little obsessed with it for a little while...then it stabilizes again you know. Maybe you're just under the excitement shock as of now. Who knows... but I know for sure that you will probably become a pro at it though, haha.

What do you mean when you say lucid dreaming is abnormal? Do you consider meditation abnormal? It just seems like a long forgotten ability to me... It's been around before this country was founded.. but I'd like to hear your opinion of that. :)

The only bad thing about lucid dreaming for me, is the feeling of insanity I get when I do RC's around my friends. After I perform a reality check, I then ask myself... am I really testing if I'm awake right now? It sounds ridiculous.. and in a metaprogramming or conditioning perspective, I can't help to think if questioning my reality constantly will eventually lead me to insanity.

Now that I think of it...there are a lot of crazy folks on this site. Is lucid dreaming really a way of mastering schizophrenia? Mouhahahaha! ....scary thought. :eek:

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It sounds ridiculous.. and in a metaprogramming or conditioning perspective, I can't help to think if questioning my reality constantly will eventually lead me to insanity.:eek:

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High - great insight and good advice :D

You really nailed what I've been trying to say with your quote above; that if an avid lucid dreamer gets so in the habit of questioning thier reality then maybe something "slips" in the brain and suddenly reality and fantasy are mixed. Suddenly you see things that aren't really "there", they are in your mind so they are real to you, but tell that to the shrink. :shock:

About the normality of lucid dreaming, I meant that it is not a "normal" thing if we want to classify it as normal under the societal vail. Normal would be going to sleep, having dreams, and having no control over them....so in that sense and to the mainstream, LDing is not normal

Hope that made sense....thanks again young'n :P

There's no escaping it old lady... We're insane !

:woohoo: :drool: :mwahaha: :imslow: :wino:

I can think of a few disturbing things.

1) Waking up crying, whether I remember the dream or not. I woke up laughing once as well. Crying twice.

2) Thinking the dream really happened and being confused the rest of the day or at least for a while about whether or not it really did happen. I've had to question my mom a few times whether she really asked me a question or told me something or not (simple things like me telling her I need shampoo, or her asking if I put soda in the fridge that all happened in a dream).

3) Having a really bad dream, like about my mom yelling at me, and feeling uncomfortable around her for the rest of the day in RL. Hate that. :(

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Originally Posted by Keitorin

I can think of a few disturbing things.

1) Waking up crying, whether I remember the dream or not. I woke up laughing once as well. Crying twice.

2) Thinking the dream really happened and being confused the rest of the day or at least for a while about whether or not it really did happen. I've had to question my mom a few times whether she really asked me a question or told me something or not (simple things like me telling her I need shampoo, or her asking if I put soda in the fridge that all happened in a dream).

3) Having a really bad dream, like about my mom yelling at me, and feeling uncomfortable around her for the rest of the day in RL. Hate that. :(

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o wat i hate is when u have a dream and wake up and are confused like u mentioned im always like wait what, like one time my mom woke me up and i guess i was thinkin of the dream so i was like "the score of the game what happened wit the game....the game?" i was like nvm cuz i was confused as F**K im assumin i woke up b4 the game or watev could finish hence my confusion

I know when lucid dreaming started to become part of my life, I also became aware of a lot more of the going-ons during my waking life. I think there is a thread on here that asked about the negative ways that LDing had effected peoples lives. I think I said something to the effect that it had made me more paranoid, or something. I now know that "paranoid" isn't the right word for it :)

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Originally Posted by High Hunter

I can't help to think if questioning my reality constantly will eventually lead me to insanity.

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I've often wondered exactly the same thing.

Really? Good to know, I'm glad I"m not alone. Too much reality checking might not really lead to pure insanity but like Zmila said, you definitly notice more in your waking life. I think it could lead to living your waking life with complete lucidity. And lets face it, it's easier to put on rose colored glasses in your every day life and ignore things in the world and in your life that you don't want to deal with. But with complete lucidity, you don't have a choice, you see everything as it is with a pure clarity. This may be too much for some to handle.... I don't know.... Interesting, Interesting....

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Really? Good to know, I'm glad I"m not alone. Too much reality checking might not really lead to pure insanity but like Zmila said, you definitly notice more in your waking life. I think it could lead to living your waking life with complete lucidity. And lets face it, it's easier to put on rose colored glasses in your every day life and ignore things in the world and in your life that you don't want to deal with. But with complete lucidity, you don't have a choice, you see everything as it is with a pure clarity. This may be too much for some to handle.... I don't know.... Interesting, Interesting....

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High - great insight and good advice :D

You really nailed what I've been trying to say with your quote above; that if an avid lucid dreamer gets so in the habit of questioning thier reality then maybe something "slips" in the brain and suddenly reality and fantasy are mixed. Suddenly you see things that aren't really "there", they are in your mind so they are real to you, but tell that to the shrink. :shock:

About the normality of lucid dreaming, I meant that it is not a "normal" thing if we want to classify it as normal under the societal vail. Normal would be going to sleep, having dreams, and having no control over them....so in that sense and to the mainstream, LDing is not normal

Hope that made sense....thanks again young'n :P

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eeeehhh Ive had less nightmares

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Originally Posted by Keitorin

I can think of a few disturbing things.

1) Waking up crying, whether I remember the dream or not. I woke up laughing once as well. Crying twice. :(

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lol I have woken up laughing many times :D its a great start to the day.

As you guys mentioned, I have had times where something happened in a dream and I was confused whether whatever happened was in RL or in a dream. Its very confusing, only way around that is to increase your dream recall to remember all your dreams at night, so, that if you aren't sure if something happened in RL, you can check your dream journal for proof :)
In terms of the bad and ugly for LD, I have no clue. Only LD'd once and it was accidential and quick, but, I'm too lazy these days to do any RC, so, at least I know I'm keeping my sanity :lol: But to be serious, I can't think of many bads of LDding besides if induce an LD every night, you'll miss out on your random dreams which I would rather not to, so, make sure to keep a balance if you are ever able to LD at will :)

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Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

..can one get to the point that the lines of reality and dreaming are blurred beyond distinction..?

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Yes, one can.

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Originally Posted by shift

It would be a poor lucid dreamer indeed who could end up this way..

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Well, that's your opinion, but it's not borne out by some people's long-term experience. Some extremely proficient LDers of many years standing have experienced this very effect.

Now I suppose that some will counter with words to the effect of "Well, they must have been mentally disturbed in the first place.."

No comment.

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Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

I also heard once that LD is bad for the liver?

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Who knows? Maybe it is.. maybe it isn't. What is for sure is that nobody here knows one way or the other, no matter what they might say. As always, I sit on the fence regarding something about which I know nothing.

good insight, thanks for the response

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I think it could lead to living your waking life with complete lucidity. And lets face it, it's easier to put on rose colored glasses in your every day life and ignore things in the world and in your life that you don't want to deal with. But with complete lucidity, you don't have a choice, you see everything as it is with a pure clarity. This may be too much for some to handle.... I don't know.... Interesting, Interesting....

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This is an Interesting, Interesting.... point indeed.

It is true that questioning your state of mind, the state of the environment, and the state of others brings forth a sort of clarity. It's inevitable that in the long run, one develops a sharp awareness of both the internal and external aspects of Life, and dreams in this case. While at the same time, if one is constantly looking for "dream clues", wouldn't that influence their perception of the world? Perception is very subjective.. it is influenced by what the perceiver is seeking. Therefore, is the clarity obtained from differentiating waking life and dreams really that pure? I guess it's a matter of relativity.. No worries, I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but it's by raising questions that we eventually come to a "clear" answer though, right?

On another note, here are some things that I realized lucid dreaming did to me..

I feel that I opened myself to art more because of lucid dreaming. Perhaps I've been using the right side of my brain more by remembering and writing down my dreams more often? Also, I seem to be looking at the environment in a more profound way as well. Not only because I search for unusual patterns or details to determine if what I'm seeing is a dream or not, but because I actually take the time to "see" and appreciate the details and unusual things I now come across.

Well enough rambling for now... more to come later. ;)

I remember my History teacher telling us about lucid dreams. (Instead of actually teaching history :?) He was presenting a case of whether or not lucind dreaming could make people go crazy. Dreams, he told us, was the brains way of organizing infomation we received during the day, and sorting it all out. Now, if we were to suddenly stop this important process and instead do what we wanted to do, like flying around or going on cool adventures then, he said, the mind could overload and go insane :holycrap:

Now, I don't really believe this, but that's what he said. It brings up some interesting points though. Why does the mind battle against us in the case of lucid dreams? Why does all that scary stuff happen? Could too much clarity actually lead to insanity???

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Dreams, he told us, was the brains way of organizing infomation we received during the day, and sorting it all out. Now, if we were to suddenly stop this important process and instead do what we wanted to do, like flying around or going on cool adventures then, he said, the mind could overload and go insane :holycrap:

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I swear I saw nothing about Cookie monster exploding the sun yesterday though :shock:

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Originally Posted by High Hunter

I feel that I opened myself to art more because of lucid dreaming. Perhaps I've been using the right side of my brain more by remembering and writing down my dreams more often? Also, I seem to be looking at the environment in a more profound way as well. Not only because I search for unusual patterns or details to determine if what I'm seeing is a dream or not, but because I actually take the time to "see" and appreciate the details and unusual things I now come across.

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I completly agree! I've always enjoyed nature and the outdoors but, especially in the last couple of weeks, I have been looking at things a lot differently, with a new appreciation and understanding. I also find the "out of the ordinary" daily things to be quite frequent and entertaining. Before lucid dreaming, I wouldn't of noticed these seemingly miniscule events........ now onto the bad and ugly.....

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Now, I don't really believe this, but that's what he said. It brings up some interesting points though. Why does the mind battle against us in the case of lucid dreams? Why does all that scary stuff happen? Could too much clarity actually lead to insanity???

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That's fairly biased of your proff to preach these things he knows nothing of, atleast not with any substancial evidence. However, his theory is interesting and is exactly what is discussed here. And you brough up a good point; why does the mind battle us in lucid dreams? Why does scary stuff happen? I really do think that the mind can "split" or "turn" if too much control is taken away from it. I believe dreams are needed to help process problems, events, emotions....and by manipulating dreams (although I'm 100% for) could lead to the beginings of insanity :boggle:

Could anyone actually know if they were going insane from lucid dreams? I don't want to be ignorant, but I've never heard of a case where lucid dreaming was the cause of going crazy. And, could anyone prove otherwise? :disconcerted:

^Personally, I'd say no, but then again, there are a lot of undocumented happenings in this world, so who really knows? Anything's possible to me (no matter how unlikely).

All's I know is, the point of lucid dreaming is for one to know that one is dreaming, so...I don't see how having a better awareness in dreams could negatively affect one's awareness in waking life...at least not to the point of being unable to discern reality from the dream world.

If anything, I'd have thought it'd be normal (albeit vivid) dreams that would cause someone confusion between the worlds of wakefulness and dreaming, since in normal dreams, you think you're awake.

Of course, I'm a little jaded at the moment, and so I'm not even sure if anything I'm typing is making any sense, but... :P

That happens to some people.
You're like a natural HH'er hehe.

Here's an interesting article I came across..
I definitely don't agree with everything that's said on here, especially the controversial stuff, but hey.. it's an interesting read.

Let's hear what you guys think !

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Could anyone actually know if they were going insane from lucid dreams? I don't want to be ignorant, but I've never heard of a case where lucid dreaming was the cause of going crazy. And, could anyone prove otherwise? :disconcerted:

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You bring up a good point; would a person really know if they were going insane from lucid dreaming? Well, I'm not sure if one even knows if they are going insane in the first place. Yes, there is no documented proof about someone going insane from lucid dreaming, but there is very little proof or clear answers on why exactly people go "insane" in the first place.

The main definition of insane is "exhibiting unsoundness or disorded of mind; not sane; mad; deranged in mind; delirious; distracted (ref)
So I think it can be said that lucid dreaming can cause a disorderd, delirious and distracted mind.

I'll explain what I mean more in the following ramblings :mrgreen:

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Here's an interesting article I came across..
I definitely don't agree with everything that's said on here, especially the controversial stuff, but hey... it's an interesting read.

Let's hear what you guys think !

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This is interesting but obviously biased and I can't side too much with it because of that fact, but I agree that some cases of lucid dreaming could lead to some of these symptoms. I especially agree with Dissociation, because I have experienced confusion of whether something really happend or if it was a dream. I have talked with several friends and family who have experienced the same thing.

Lezen you brought up the point that lucid dreams would add clarity and not confusion because you are aware, and that non lucid dreams would cause the uncertainty. While I agree with that statement, I have to bring up the point that it is very uncommon for someone to dream lucidly every dream and every night. Even an advanced lucid dreamer will still have non lucid dreams, and because of increase in recall, I think the confusion of whether something happened "...can really be a problem for those who have previously had zero recall and, due to lucid dreaming, have had a major uptake in recall. Now, suddenly, they have all these excess, illogical memories to sort out." - from the article.

This confusion could certainly describe a mind that is slightly disordered, delierious and distracted. :shock:

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Here's an interesting article I came across..
I definitely don't agree with everything that's said on here, especially the controversial stuff, but hey.. it's an interesting read.

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Hm. Your right, it is interesting. However, I really can't say that I agree with all that. But, then again, I'm new to lucid dreaming.

Now, I pose a question: how bad do the bad things of lucid dreaming really get? Has anybody here ever had an extreme case of dissociation? Or any of the other things metioned in the article? Are they only bad moments were everything seems crazy, but then the moment passes? What if our brains only act like that because we are trying something totally foreign and new? It could be like training yourself to run a marathon: your whole body is sore and hurts like hell, but in the end, your grow stronger because of it?

Ok, that was alot of questions :)

That was a lot of questions...but I like them

I just came across this thread....it had 30 replies and it supports the questions that, yes, people do get symptoms of dissociation and that it can increase with lucid dreaming.... check it out

I'll get back to the other ones :D

That link is awesome gringa ;)

Well this might be a tad off topic, but this thread got me wondering...

How much do you think your behavior in lucid dreams affect your waking behavior? I mean, I've heard of a bunch of people on here who spend a lot of time killing dream characters in their lucid dreams. Now I'm sure that they don't go around killing people in real life, but does this behavior affect anything about themselves when they are awake? Do they not kill people, but think about it? Maybe that would eventually lead you to disconnect from people and perhaps lead to symptoms of dissociation in some aspect. I'm just speculating of course..

What do you guys think?

Dissociation :roll: hah

on the other hand...

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Addiction

Lucid dreaming can be used for different purposes. Some may want to try it just for fun, using it as a "safe drug", or a personal virtual reality machine. Having fun is a fully valid application of lucid dreaming. However, be careful not to be addicted to this way of escaping your waking life. If you find that you are spending more time asleep than actually needed, or that you are thinking more about lucid dreams than your real waking life, take a look at your life: if you're accomplishing the goals you have for yourself, and/or are content with the state of your life, there's likely no cause for alarm. If you see that your life needs work, you might take a break... or, you might use the tools of lucid dreaming to explore what needs to be done in your life.

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Addiction

Lucid dreaming can be used for different purposes. Some may want to try it just for fun, using it as a "safe drug", or a personal virtual reality machine. Having fun is a fully valid application of lucid dreaming. However, be careful not to be addicted to this way of escaping your waking life. If you find that you are spending more time asleep than actually needed, or that you are thinking more about lucid dreams than your real waking life, take a look at your life: if you're accomplishing the goals you have for yourself, and/or are content with the state of your life, there's likely no cause for alarm. If you see that your life needs work, you might take a break... or, you might use the tools of lucid dreaming to explore what needs to be done in your life.

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I don't think that's possible. The extreme worst that can happen is the person in question sleeping a few extra hours every now and then, which is a good thing, and spending too much time on DV or similar sites. Reality checks don't take up time. You can no more be addicted to dreaming than you can to being awake.

Addiction can happen with anything.

An adverse effect I get with lucid dreaming is sleep talking. It never happens when I stop trying to get lucid, it only happens when I'm intent on a lucid dream. Mainly it's just mumbling, so I don't think its anything worth worrying about. Does anyone else get similar experiences?

Relax.. there's nothing wrong with LD. It's just impossible that it "drives you crazy". If anyone has ever read Descartes, questioning our own reality is the basis for rationnality... Reality Checks are just the opposite of going insane.

And for the weird sounds, they are just HH that eventually will wear out with experience. Nothing to be afraid. LDing and putting attetion to dreams only has benefits : increasing creativity, intuition, appreciaton for beauty etc.. and having fun while other people just sleep

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Originally Posted by High Hunter

How much do you think your behavior in lucid dreams affect your waking behavior? I mean, I've heard of a bunch of people on here who spend a lot of time killing dream characters in their lucid dreams. Now I'm sure that they don't go around killing people in real life, but does this behavior affect anything about themselves when they are awake? Do they not kill people, but think about it? Maybe that would eventually lead you to disconnect from people and perhaps lead to symptoms of dissociation in some aspect. I'm just speculating of course..

What do you guys think?

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This point/argument, makes me think about a common debate about video games and if violent ones can lead to people becoming violent in real life, especially games where the sole mission is to kill as many people as possibal. In college, we had several discussions about this very point, it always seemed to end on "moderation is key". So, perhaps people killing e/o in dreams in extreme cases could lead to violent dissociatiion... I don't know, what do you think? Going off this (and also a little off topic) what is everyones thoughts on children/teens playing extreme violent video games?? Here's some food for thought :popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Shift

Addiction can happen with anything.

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I agree with this as long as you agree that there are various forms of addiction, meaning they are not all chemical or physcal, there can be psychological addictions as well, although the latter is controversal to some. I do think that becoming too obsessed with LDing can be a bad thing, ie sleeping too much, RCing extensivley, zoning out to binaural beats etc... and could possibly lead some to an obsessive compulsive behavior or an addiction when it comes to LDing.

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Relax.. there's nothing wrong with LD. It's just impossible that it "drives you crazy". If anyone has ever read Descartes, questioning our own reality is the basis for rationnality... Reality Checks are just the opposite of going insane.

And for the weird sounds, they are just HH that eventually will wear out with experience. Nothing to be afraid. LDing and putting attetion to dreams only has benefits : increasing creativity, intuition, appreciaton for beauty etc.. and having fun while other people just sleep

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Thanks for your opinion on this matter. Just to clarify, no one is saying that LDing will make your crazy. We are discussing the negative, or bad and ugly "symptoms" of lucid dreams and how, in some cases, it could lead to signs of a mind that is slightly distracted and disoriented. I agree that LDing is awesome, it has so many benefits and it's downright fun! However, it is obvious from the replies and from other threads I have found, that many people share this interest and have also had negative things happen due to LDing. Whether these negative things are simply HH, confusing dreams with reality or developing a slight addiction, I think they can effect some worse than others. Some people seem to be "naturals" at dreaming (great recall, natural at WILDing, experienced LD all there lives) and maybe these people could begin to experience halucinations (visual and audio) during random waking hours, or maybe someone begins ignoring friends/family, stops going out and literally stays in bed all day attempting to LD. - Can anyone relate to this?

detroitLions1970 -I have never been a sleep talker, but same with you, I have begun shouting and mumbling (mostly when I'm attempting to control a SP spell) I don't really think ths could be a major problem though :D Although, developing sleep walking could be bad :shock:

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I also heard once that LD is bad for the liver?? WTH

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I have nothing super constructive to say, but that really made me laugh. Thanks for making my night. :)

Also go to bed with happy thoughts. :sunflower:

Hehehe well I can relate to not wanting to go out of bed to school just to have another dream but not to the point of alienating myself and not having social life.
I do not want to sound rude and appreciate that someone puts it on debate. But I feel that it may lead people who are trying to have their first LD to be scared of it and they would miss and awesome experience.

For the person who said that LDing is bad for the liver, the only reason that I can see that is because when we sleep, at ~2-3am, there is the purification process occurring in the liver as we dream, but, I don't think its linked to it in anyway, so, I don't think there is anything to worry about, however, it still is an interesting point to make :)

That sounds kind of scary, but imagine if you could learn to control these hallucinations. Say you have a history test; you could look at your notes the night before and then summon them when you are doing the test.

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I also heard once that LD is bad for the liver?? WTH

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Epic!!

Lol, that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard about LDing. I wonder who told you that.