Lucidity Levels

**YULAW** · 12-17-2003 07:15 AM

Im curios to know what levels of lucidity you guys are achieving for those who are able to tap into this ability, would you consider your level High, Moderate, or Low? And also how many of you has pushed the envelope of your capabilities? Willing objects to move...etc. Zanzoken abilities and altering nature in your dreams. So lets discuss our levels and our greatest achievements within our own creations. How creative are you. Sometimes its not as difficult as you think. Our Lucid dreams gives us direct insight of being a perfect being. Manipulating entire enviorments and oneself is just the tip of the Ice Berg.

**Lucius** · 12-17-2003 08:00 AM

First of all.. I do not believe in *our creations*(I believe in the two actual realities)
Second, control means nothing, its all about how deep you go.
Third, the perfect being does not exist, you cannot be God.

I really have not much comment on this..but the above then. I suppose my achievements are *diffirent* then the usual control

**YULAW** · 12-17-2003 08:15 AM

Very Interesting response. Considering your response I guess you should'nt have much comment on this subject. I don't recall saying anyone human being is perfect. That statement gives reference toward what could be considered perfect within our abilities before that gift of perfection was taken away from us because now we are born into this world as imperfect beings. Secondly control is whats most important in a Lucid Dream without it What sense does it make to even acknowledge the fact that you are dreaming. Just go with the flow then.. And how deep you go doesn't make sense to me.. How deep you go where? And as far as creation I guess you never created anything within your dreams. Unless Im confused on the subject of Creation. If you're talking about our Creator the Father in the Heavens doesn't exsist then thats an entirely different subject.

**Seeker** · 12-17-2003 01:53 PM

:yumdumdoodledum: :yumdumdoodledum: Welcome ShadowNightWing! :yumdumdoodledum: :yumdumdoodledum:

I would classify myself as Moderate. I cannot use WILD to induce as many here can *envious glance at Lucius*
But once lucid, I can pretty much do what I want, that is, create things, modify the dream content and setting.

But hey, I figure if I have another 40 years to live, there will be plenty of time to grow and expand.

**Lucius** · 12-17-2003 04:47 PM

I dont feel like explaining everything..i recommend reading some posts made by Serinanth and he is somebody you could learn alot from.
As you will realise control is not the most important(and impossible) where a dream is not a dream, but another reality

You consider yourself powerfull, because you create things in your dreams to your desire. But having everything you desire is not good, and its not good either to be able to have it. Things you need will come to you when you are in need of them. I could have LD and practise ultimate control, but I dont even want ultimate control. I think if you would fall/go as deep..as to the point you open yourself to the other reality and even begin to understand that other world you will not have control anymore, or have need for it.

But of course, not everybody believes in the theory of the two realities. Not everybody respects completely what is out there. Some believe in dream characters and ultimate control of that what is up your head, some do not. I do not blaim anybody, hate anybody, each its own way.

The theory btw is based on nothing but personal experiences. I care not if you dont believe me or tell me im either insane,not tell the truth or whatever. I know what is true and care noth for what others think..

The rabbit hole is very deep indeed, and if your not in very deep, then yes control is a breeze

**Lowercase Society** · 12-17-2003 05:06 PM

ShadowNightWing, look for me in your dreams tonight, i will look like Bill Clinton, naked and holding a Hanukah candle stick

and profess that i am jesus christ.

see ya later buddy.

Its only after you’ve lost everything that your free to do anything[/b]

**Seeker** · 12-17-2003 05:10 PM

ShadowNightWing,

How about sharing some of your experience with us? I would like to hear about your adventures and what you are able to do.

**Tim** · 12-18-2003 07:21 AM

usually i have non lucid dreams, but about once a week i have lucid dreams where i know i am dreaming, and can do whatever i want, but about one out of five of these lucid dreams are really vivid and good. so far, the best one, i was able to use my powers to make cars that were driving on the street fly away. (it was just like using the force) and also i usually fly and jump around and stuff.

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 10:45 AM

Just in general the subject was in reference to what Levels of Lucidity people are experiencing. As far as your Theories and beliefs Lucius I have respect for what you believe in, this is your lifes motivation and it belongs to you. Im not at impressed by people who desires are to cause confliction within any ordeal on any matter, subjcet or level. But I do understand and lable people as they are your character is by no way unique (if you ever thought it was) I always say there's always one in every group, however I do agree with with the control part because for all of us it comes way too easy. Which gives an indication that this is as normal as walking so Control doesn't impress me either. What does impress me is INFINITY. becuase it umcomprehensiable to You, I or anyone else of that matter. I don't believe in that Dual Reality Nonesense. But this is my own belief that im entitled to. Lucid Dreaming is exciting to me inducing from Wake Initiation (WILD'S) Thats Childs Play to me, because thats nothing but another form of experiencing an OBE. Which I find extremely Exciting. I respect your beliefs and whatever you feel is Right Lucius but I really don't care, I only care about the question I asked and if you don't want to comment against anything I put in the forum then no hard feelings because in the end you are still you and I am I.... (all put in the nicest way) thanks

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 10:53 AM

Oh yeah and if you see anything in regards to me saying anything about me being powerful or cosidering myself powerful then please copy it and show me. Because I don't remember that being a part of my subject. Its cool to respond without twisting the subject or adding fabricated information, just to prove your point. But I understand some people has those issues. It may be wise to talk to your buddy Serinanth to help you release some of that Animosity..lol

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 10:55 AM

I suppose its best if I dont say anything anymore..it would just get me annoyed I suppose. Yes fine, believe whatever you wish I dont care. I speak nonsense, fine with me. Be arrogant like hell, fine with me.(sorry I just had to say that people..)

I retreat from this topic then..

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 10:56 AM

Man Lucius What is your Deal????.....

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 10:58 AM

Oh and normally I dont care about it if somebody doesnt agree, like some disagreements I had before with evangel on religous things,but at least hes cool. But your attitude needs to change man,seriously.
And dont mess with seri, and me for the matter, like I said i retreat from the damn topic

**Lowercase Society** · 12-18-2003 10:58 AM

anyone want a beer?

I need a map of your head, translated into english, so i can learn how to not make you frown;
feel better if you vent, put your frustrations into four letter words and let them out on mine, the most weathered ears in town.[/b]

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 10:59 AM

And, there is nothing wrong at all. I didnt got pissed, I didnt swear nor did I bash. I just said its fine that you think that, thats all..no lets all go along like nothing happend..

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 11:02 AM

What do you mean My attitude needs to change? Scroll up and look at your first response. I didn't do anything but respond back to you in the same fashion you did to me, and you say nothings wrong, Whatever man. But you better convince yourself of it first..

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 11:04 AM

Alright, lets say it like this. You dont agree with me, I dont agree with you.
I dont know normally I dont care but there was something about you that just annoyed me in a way. If i to annoyed you, Im sorry. Lets get over it, I have no need to have arguments with a forum member all the time..
Peace ok..(really this is not fake..i hate arguments)

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 11:07 AM

Ok, it apears I wasnt being very nice but that wasnt the intention. I didnt feel like making something long so I was being rather short. I just wanted to state my opinion, but didnt have time to make it look nice , so I did it short and apears kinda rude, i am sorry then

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 11:09 AM

Arguements with forum members all the time huh? You put that out there just remember that. I'll be cool with anyone who deserves it You read simple paragragh from me and decided that you were annoyed by me. For no reason. But like I said previously issues...[/quote]

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 11:12 AM

I accept your apology BUT DON'T EVER LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!! To anyone else.. Or else its gonna be me and you.

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 11:13 AM

I dont have arguments with forum members all the time, you are the only one. And, I just said sorry for being rude . And im saying it again, do you have to continue this argument. Sorry ok??? I want no problem..

I wish to quit this argument and say sorry for being rude, what about you??

**YULAW** · 12-18-2003 11:29 AM

I understand where you're coming from but this is where Im coming from When I registered here the only reason why I did it was because of you and Marinanth. Yes I read thoroughly most of the subjects you guys has posted. And what pissed me off was that I feel like you two guys have a great deal of wisdom that I would Love to Obtain and I didn't expect to have it out with you, like this. So if it means anything to you Im sorry also if I came off rude. Maybe we can start back from Square one and try this thing again. Hi Lucius Im Shadow nice to meet you.

**Lucius** · 12-18-2003 11:33 AM

Alright then, I dont know what got into me. I gues I was just having a pain in the ass or something :

Even though we dont agree I suppose we should be able to get along, disagreements must be there, aye I also accept your apology..

*Erases Memory*

Hey, shadow, welome! Have a muffin