gosh why aren't people excited about dreaming??

[Je33ica]

hmm.. today in my pyschology class my teacher annonced, "next week we will be starting a unit on the subconsious...blablabla... and next week i would like everyone to keep a dream journal to record your dreams, we'll be getting into interpretation..blablaba.." i thought this was pretty cool, i do it anyway , but everyone in the class just moaned and complained... a lot of people were like, but i never have dreams, and our teacher explained to us that it's not that we don't have dreams, it's that we don't remember them (of course everyone here knows that ) and some people were like, i guess we just have to make up good dreams for a good grade... gosh people these days

[Dylan]

Haha, maybe they're embarrassed? Dreams are fairly personal, keeping a dream journal and then handing it in?? Maybe you're right though, they probably don't know enough about dreaming... I say.. make a presentation for your class and CONVERT Them Cheers, Dylan

[Howie]

Je33ica, That is a good question. I have been an advocate of getting the word out about freams since becoming a menber. Although I don't expect them to share the same ethuiasism that I do, it is hard to believe that more people are not at least interested in why they dream. For it does take up one third of your life. *****I would bet most vivid dreamers are interested****** which would in turn be good candidates for Lds. Owell. Goo luck with your class.

[Taosaur]

I think a lot of people really want to hold on to the idea that they know exactly who they are and have control of what they do. Paying attention to dreams tends to demonstrate that what you usually call "I" is just the tip of the iceberg.

[incognito]

I think Dylans definitely on to something. Get them excited about it. People have their imaginations built for them now a days - computer/video games, television, even the playgrounds they build for elementary schools now a days are all hydraulic and rubber and metal and don't require much thought to have fun on (I know this because we played on a brand new one last summer that had just been finished... yes I'm 24, but who cares). Imagination amongst the majority is going the way of common sense and morals... it's unnecessary because others will provide it for you. Maybe it's just that your entire class has been dreaming about members of the opposite sex lately and they're just plain embarrassed.

[Je33ica]

embarrased... that is a possiblity, especially with all those weird guys in my class, ha ha ha.. hmmmm... ive been thinking and it may be that they just they rarely remember their dreams and don't care about them because they think it won't aid them in their waking life. people give me weird looks and give me that, oh really, phrase when i mention that i have a dream journal or that im interesting in dreams... grrr it just makes me sooo mad

[incognito]

Originally posted by that girl ive been thinking and it may be that they just they rarely remember their dreams and don't care about them because they think it won't aid them in their waking life. Or it just sounds like too much effort or something - most people don't realize the validity of dreams though you're right about that. Especially since a lot of people are under the impression that they don't have them. I'd think they'd be excited over such a thing... it's the perfect opportunity to get high grades without even having to try - who could prove if what you said you dreamed wasn't true or not.

[Dylan]

Maybe not so much embarrassed about the opposite sex, as embarrassed to look interested in dreams. Some people seem to have this 'too cool' attitude when it comes to dreams, as if they're some geeky thing to do (or to be interested in rather... Saying "yo, i had the craziest dream last night" is kinda different from "so i keep this dream journal, and i like to analyze it and find patterns and all this stuff"... of course, a tremendous exaggeration, but that's the way they seem to view it). I didn't really talk about dreams much in highschool.. mainly because i wasnt interested in them then... but I've seen people's reactions to similar things. The "moans and groans" are probably for that reason, how could they fit in if they didn't do it. It goes with the image of "dreams" being some strange FANTASY LAND FAIRYTAIL "imagination fairy princess" thing. I doubt they really dislike it as much as they show they did. Obviously lots of people aren't like this. But it offers another explanation? That's just an idea. Dylan EDIT-[And of course, the groans could also be because people hate work... haha, and keeping a dream journal isnt exactly the easiest thing.. but thats obvious]

[dream-scape]

you guys are all reading way too much into this... students "moan and groan" about everything most of the time.

[evolo]

Do what Dylan said. Teach these groaners a thing or two on life. Since you're in a pyschology class, I'm sure your teacher won't mind you doing a presentation on dreaming and the subconscious. If I had the chance I wouldn't pass it up. Inform your class on this other universe, on lucid dreaming. Being in a pysch class, the people probably aren't too stubborn and have somewhat of an open mind. People should know about this and research it fully. I believe that lucid dreaming links to astral projection which leads to.......Our generation needs another Einstein and another breakthrough in human evolution. What better way to start by informing the youth. In a class of 30 people, the majority of the students won't think about dreaming the minute after any presentation because of their stuckup attitudes. But I am certain, that there will be at least one bright kid that will make this world a part of their life. It starts with a voice.

[Human]

I think it's because Sigmund Freud claimed that dreams had a connection with sexual fantasies, and that's a shame -- no doubt about that. Perhaps many people think Freud was right about that, and hence they don't want to talk about dreams, because they comprehend it as sexual fantasies, wich is a taboo. I do not understand why Freud came to this simple conclusion. I think his theory was wrong. It's a myth that we only think about sex. Perhaps like 10 % of the dreams has a connection with sexual thoughts, but not more than that. What Freud didn't realise was that many thoughts is not related to sex at all. Of course, it would really be a shame if Freud was right. Just my point of view. So what the majority need to realise before they start to talk about dreams, is that Freud's theory about dreams as sexual fantasies is more a misconception from Freud than the truth. That's it.

[Truthbearer]

If anything, you should at least try your best to have a couple LDs this week so that you can turn them in with your others(if you don't just dust off some old one's and pass them off as new ) I'm sure that the teacher will become interested in the fact that you practice LDing and you may be able to convince her to have a short discussion about them during class or such...

[Regalecus]

I agree (both with dylan and truthie) You should be "enlightening" your less afortunate classmates, either by a full fledged presentation as dylan said, in which we all could contribute (gladly!) or, like truthbearer said, exposing a few LD of you in class, that SHOULD start a controversy ("hey, thats impossible!" o"can you really do that? cool!", probably both) In my psych class last year (how wierd, my mum is younger than i), when we started talking about dreams, i said something about realizing how dreams are dreams and the omnipotence about that (i didnt knew the term LD or anything about it yet) and my teacher agreed that it was possible to realize one's dreaming, but "it only happens to the end of the dream cycle, so when you realize you're dreaming, you're about to wake up" A bg controversy rose in the class, which lasted till the class was over. Something like that should be fairly easy for you to start, even if the teacher disagrees! Good luck, mummy!!

[Dylan]

Ok i JUST got what you meant. By mom you meant Jessica. Confused me there for a minute. Dylan

[WerBurN]

omg, that would suck for me...i'd have to see a psychologist for sure if they read my dream journal...though they wouldnt be able to read it, i usually write from bottom of the page to top, alternating each line forwards then sdrawkcab and its not in english either... ...and the students are prolly groaning not cause its dreams and dreams are jus boring, but prolly because they have to keep a journal, which is more work unless you're like us people who are loco crazy and do it anyway as a pasttime...

[incognito]

Originally posted by table salt I'm sure that the teacher will become interested in the fact that you practice LDing and you may be able to convince her to have a short discussion about them during class or such... Either that, or she's gonna wind up being sent to the school counselor. I was thinking about this whole thing, and while it'd be great if everybody was open minded enough to take in information about it and actually think about it... I was talking to a few people I know that I *thought* were open minded, and they've taken almost every negative stance imaginable on the subject. From calling it outright ridiculous to getting all religious over it. People really like being inside their bubbles now a days. Some... people.

[Amethyst Star]

I like my bubble, but that doesn't mean I have to ream on everything outside of it. I think the previous suggestions have been good. You can also mention this site and have ppl come here for themselves so that they can see that there are hundreds of ppl - just on this site - that can attest to the reality of Lucid Dreams. I'm religous, but I know that dreaming is not enherently evil so I think it's childish when ppl try to pass it off as such. *listening to Russian Radio Station* HA HA! LOVE IT! -Amé

[incognito]

Did you know ream is a stack of 500 sheets of paper, regardless of size or weight? haha, that aside, I'm not quite following you... ream on everything outside of it?

[Amethyst Star]

Originally posted by incognito Did you know ream is a stack of 500 sheets of paper, regardless of size or weight? haha, that aside, I'm not quite following you... ream on everything outside of it? Yah, I know about reams of paper (worked for a college department and did a lot of copying ) I still like paper surprisingly. Anyway, "ream" is just slang for "insult" or "critisize". Not sure how many ppl use that word anymore. -Amé

[incognito]

Yeah, sorry for being anal retentive, but somebodies gotta do it, and I'm pretty good at it. Sort of works in a vicious circle like that. Hahaha. Actually I was just trying to prove I'm intelligent. I rarely get the opportunity, what with my steady habit of watching cartoons and eating large bowls of cereal drowned in chocolate milk. I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean now... you've got your bubble, but you're not like the other bubble people who think anything outside of the bubble is ridiculous or incomprehensible. In other words, you're open minded, though you may not accept things immediately, hey? I don't think I've caught myself using it lately, the word "ream" that is... english language is the worst for slang and a single word having a hundred meanings. When I think of ream, I think of "reaming somebody out", as in giving them the ole one two verbal ass kickin. /offtopic="bite me"

[Je33ica]

i like the suggestions from truthbearer and evolo, the whole discussion thing, but, like incognito said, i highly doubt that many people in my class are openminded about that, plus im really that type of person who's a leader and willing to talk in front of the class willing, yikes ... we actually got the assignment today, and for 3 weeks we'll be recording our dreams and writing our intepretation of them (reflected on the day's events and other factors), then we're supposed to write a 3-4 page report of our dream journal. the unit we're getting into is the subconsious, so the excerise is more for interpretation than dream control. hopefully i have an ld during those 3 weeks, if i dont i just might use one of my good old one's and impress my teacher

[Truthbearer]

sounds good Oh, by the way, today I had the most intense psychology class I have had since I got into college...it was fucking awesome. Today we talked about dream interpretation in my gestalt therapy class, and the profesor conducted a intervention on a student that was willing to share a recurring dream in class. He asked who volunteered to be today's subject of study and this lady decided she would(I was kind of thinking about doing so myself for that dream I posted in General Discussion a couple days ago, except he asked specifically for recurring dreams or nightmares, and I don't quite consider egg breath a nightmare ). Anyway, she told us about this dream she kept having about how she was at the beach when a really big wave was coming after her and her child and mother. In the end, after all the interpretation she ended up crying severely, as we found out that her husband verbally and almost physically abused her and her kid. The whole thing was even more intense as the teacher made her choose someone that could interpret the role of the wave(which we obviously discovered was her husband) and she chose me, for some reason. So I was to be the representation of her husband and she was to tell him(me)how she felt and all. It was then that she began to cry at first and I remember her staring into my eyes so intensely...not looking away for a second. I couldn't take it, so I diverted my glance away every now and then. I just felt like I was the one hurting her just by being there and playing his part... Anyway, it was a truly spectacular class and everyone left there truly a different person than how they came in. It was truly an intense experience and I had never seen anything like that before. That teacher truly is the best one I have seen so far, and the way he dealt with everything was truly fantastic....I am still stricken by it. Anyway, with all of that going on I wasn't able to mention lucid dreaming, as I was going to, for it took the rest of the class(basically lasted for about 1 hour and a half or so)...

[Taosaur]

Sounds like a great psych class! I was a psych minor, but most of the classes were just lectures with multiple-choice tests. In a couple I had to interview people and really write about what was going on with them, and that was more educational. For Abnormal Psychology I interviewed a friend-of-a-friend who had been sexually abused by different adults on several occasions as a child, and had a couple of breakdowns and hospitalizations as a result (though she was doing pretty well by the time I met her). It put my own childhood traumas in perspective a bit . I also took a Psychology of Religion class with a teacher who was president of the Religion branch of the APA. He had us interview two people about experiences where they'd used religion to cope with a stressful event, and compare the two concepts we'd learned in class. Oddly enough, I interviewed two people I didn't know very well at the time, but both of them ended up being close friends of mine about a year later. Come to think of it, there was no Psychology of Dreaming class, and I don't remember dreams coming up at all in other classes, though I'm sure we at least glossed over it in Intro to Psyc.

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by dream-scape you guys are all reading way too much into this... students \"moan and groan\" about everything most of the time. ditto.

[Sparky]

Originally posted by WerBurN omg, that would suck for me...i'd have to see a psychologist for sure if they read my dream journal...though they wouldnt be able to read it, i usually write from bottom of the page to top, alternating each line forwards then sdrawkcab and its not in english either... ...and the students are prolly groaning not cause its dreams and dreams are jus boring, but prolly because they have to keep a journal, which is more work unless you're like us people who are loco crazy and do it anyway as a pasttime... Heh, I thought I was the only one who wrote in my dream journal in a second launguage, I needa practice my French.