I've had lucid dreams since childhood. I have no limits. I don't understand others who have limits.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ethereal

So essentially you make a thread to wave your ability over others? That isn't exactly sportsmanlike, I'm sure we could all make high-and-mighty threads like this, applauding our abilities in goemetry or poetry or horseriding.

Eh, forgive my outburst, but a title like that is pretty arrogant.

---

I never dreamed (pun intended) that my title would be thought of in that way nor did I think sharing my experiences on a site like this would be considered bragging. I guess I didn't explore this site enough and thought others on here were just like me. I simply was trying to express my interest in receiving input from others that would help me understand those who find lucid dreaming difficult when it seems easy to me. That is not arrogant and I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm a blunt person and maybe expressing my experience through the crude means of typing was a mistake. It is always better to hear a person's voice and even to see them to get the true intent of a person's thoughts and even then misunderstandings occur. Language has one big barrier and that is we can't completely feel and know someone from their eyes while they speak to us. Reading someone's typed out thoughts and trying to grasp that person's full intent is even more difficult. I'll do better in the future, if I continue on this forum, to write in such a way to hopefully prevent mistaken profiling of my intent.:)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Ever considered getting involved with a sleep lab?
If you're claims are true, and i see no reason why they shouldn't be,
Your natural skills would be of great use to those who are studying dreams and lucid dreaming.

---

I was invited to submit my experiences for a movie about dreams (from a mainstream director), but when it came down to getting paid for helping write the script the producer didn't want to pay what I felt the time was worth, but would give me credit in the film's credits. I don't care about seeing my name in a film. What I cared about was compensation and it wasn't enough.

I don't know much about sleep labs and have never been invited to participate.

Wow, interesting topic. I've heard others claim the same and have a hard time with it but I don't really think the OP is lying. Now how could that be? So you have both sides, some claiming BS and some agreeing, some in the middle. There has to be an explanation that includes both sides, so here is a theory:

The big difference here may be that people are looking at the world two different ways. Some people may have success in life and say "I did it." While others may have success in life and say, "I am skilled, but I was also lucky and in the right place at the right time." And on the spectrum it can go all the way down to "hard luck, fate rules my life" (born into a third world country with bad circumstances and occurances perhaps?). Now the first one has this peculiar ability to forget their failures and move on, while being very confident.

Throw this mixture into the dream world. He has said if he's tired or something he wont go lucid "because he doesn't want to" and that's true. Deep down, his body/self/mind doesn't want to bother as it is tired, but could he force it? Probably not, but that doesn't go along with his desires either.

So yes, what he says is true in the context of his own worldview. But to people of different personality types and different worldviews will find this hard to believe. Because they view the world in a different way. He's not really accomplishing anything he wants according to their worldview, but his.

If I were trying to quickly find out if I could do absolutely anything in a dream, I'd try to do something I didn't think I could do to find out. This type of dreamer doesn't think that way. This type of dreamer will only try to do things that are "in tune" with his/her will and desire. To go outside of that is unthinkable, there isn't any "code" for that in their mind. This is the successful person dreaming, they are very in tune with what they are capable of and almost magically that is in tune with what they want to do.

So at the end of the day it's like the question, "Can God make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?" It really does open up some philosophical question. As if those of us who are limited must have some inherent ability to be so, and those who cannot find limits don't have that particular skill. As if limitation were an ability in itself.

Objectively however, he will be a very able dreamer, extremely able. He will be able to do things folks like me can't "dream" of doing. Subjectively though, he's sort of trapped in his own game, like a wheelbarrow rut, he can't easily escape his lack of limits. Or maybe he can. :)

I've always wanted to open this can of worms, lol. Hope it makes sense

Imagine posting on a Cerebral Palsy forum that you have complete control of your muscles and can't understand why other people have trouble. And that maybe they're just "trying too hard", because it's easy for you.

The original post does come off as extremely arrogant. And unlike Eddy has claimed, I don't see any way that it could have been phrased to make it sound less arrogant. If this was supposed to be a legit question, it didn't come off that way. A little research into lucid dreaming or this community would have been wise before making this post.

sounds cool what you do, but sometimes I enjoy limits in my dreams. For example, DC's who have their own freewill, or falling from a fly and hitting the ground because you think about gravity. I find it hilarious. I want to battle a giant steampunk robot that is attacking a victorian city with limited weopons and only the ability to jump high, oh and jump off walls even higher type thing.... mwahaha yyeees.

some people are natural lucid dreamers, and some people aren't. its that simple. its just like how some people have the gift to naturally play piano extremely well, a prodigy if you will, now other people may not have the gift of naturally being a piano master, but they can learn.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Unelias

There is no such thing as perfection, hence there is no perfect control. I don't doubt your abilities, yet I trust that skills come with practice and honing it through experience. I see nothing strange there that people have problems in the start, before they achieve the line when they are able to excel better control. I think you just have trained yourself along the years, even if you haven't noticed.

Moreover, the perfect control. I don't buy it. Great control, all right, but not perfect. Have you tried to clone yourself with 100 copies and see through eyes of them all? Have you perfectly copied feelings, smells, sounds etc? Choices are pretty much endless.

---

I tried this. I can clone myself into many copies, but I can't see out the eyes of them all (yet). I end up going into third person. There is a user on here, Mylynes that can do it, but he doesn't post much.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ethereal

So essentially you make a thread to wave your ability over others? That isn't exactly sportsmanlike, I'm sure we could all make high-and-mighty threads like this, applauding our abilities in goemetry or poetry or horseriding.

Eh, forgive my outburst, but a title like that is pretty arrogant.

---

People are by nature egocentric, which is different from being egotistical. Being egocentric means that you assume others are like you, and it's hard to understand others who are not like you.

He made a very egocentric statement, which has been mistaken for egotistical.

JamesLD wrote: "some people are natural lucid dreamers, and some people aren't. its that simple. its just like how some people have the gift to naturally play piano extremely well, a prodigy if you will, now other people may not have the gift of naturally being a piano master, but they can learn."


Thank you JamesLD for this answer. THIS is the explanation I've been looking for and you answered it perfectly. While others only could see what their mind was telling them was arrogant, you looked deep and answered wisely. Now I understand. And yes, as I stated earlier I should've researched this community more before posting.

And Novise has a very wise observation and I thank you for sharing your deep thoughts. Excellent!

Ok, glad we cleared that up. Welcome to DV. I can assure you most of us are incredibly jealous. I often wonder if persistence and determination can make someone a natural like yourself. I imagine it would be easier if we all started at a very young age.

Prodigy can be surpassed with sheer training and willpower. There is just one flaw in this. Usually prodigys train too.:roll:

Just train harder.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gameover

Ok, glad we cleared that up. Welcome to DV. I can assure you most of us are incredibly jealous. I often wonder if persistence and determination can make someone a natural like yourself. I imagine it would be easier if we all started at a very young age.

---

I feel the same way about musicians and singers. I'm not musically inclined like most of my family. Now that I am looking at dreaming in that way I can understand. I never placed much value on my dreams and therefore didn't think it was a big deal (took it for granted I guess). They're just amusement to me while I sleep. I know a lot of people are into dream interpretation and flying means this or that, but to me it's just been entertainment. I should further study this forum. Interesting stuff.

Things that don't deal directly with staying alive or acquiring material objects are important because of what they mean to you. In its strictist sense, music is no more useful than dreaming, though some people make an entire life off of it. Let dreams be what you want them to be, but remember that nothing you in this life for fun is more valuable than the other, because in the end we leave with nothing. The best we can do is experience what can, and dreams are how we can do a lot of that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Things that don't deal directly with staying alive or acquiring material objects are important because of what they mean to you. In its strictist sense, music is no more useful than dreaming, though some people make an entire life off of it. Let dreams be what you want them to be, but remember that nothing you in this life for fun is more valuable than the other, because in the end we leave with nothing. The best we can do is experience what can, and dreams are how we can do a lot of that.

---

But, I don't see how my dreams can benefit mankind except as mere entertainment if I'm to share. Yes, to me it's just entertainment just like golfing. It is true that we leave this world when we die and we leave everything behind. How we help to change people's lives for the better is our legacy.

So.. "Eddy"..

The things you describe are easily obtainable in non-lucid dreams.. so..

Can you describe how you go "lucid" in one of your dreams? You know.. a description of how it happens for you?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eddy

JamesLD wrote: "some people are natural lucid dreamers, and some people aren't. its that simple. its just like how some people have the gift to naturally play piano extremely well, a prodigy if you will, now other people may not have the gift of naturally being a piano master, but they can learn."


Thank you JamesLD for this answer. THIS is the explanation I've been looking for and you answered it perfectly. While others only could see what their mind was telling them was arrogant, you looked deep and answered wisely. Now I understand. And yes, as I stated earlier I should've researched this community more before posting.

And Novise has a very wise observation and I thank you for sharing your deep thoughts. Excellent!

---

No problem eddy, im sorry some people here were hostile towards you, I know you weren't being arrogant, you just had an honest question.
WELCOME TO DREAM VIEWS!:welcome:

wow interesting thread. Not arrogant at all in my opinion. I'm not a natural however I'm usually able to have several LD's per week (except for my current dry spell that I hope to end today-tomorrow), I have a hard time understanding people of different potential also. It's hard for me to imagine how some people spend years trying to have lucid dreams and only have several, while others like you have them without any effort at all. I am in the middle of this variegated oneironautical farrago- I need to spend a lot of effort to get mine and even so I don't often succeed, and the "perfect technique" seems always "just one step away".

Is it down to genetics, or early childhood experiences, or a combination? who knows...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yuriythebest

Is it down to genetics, or early childhood experiences, or a combination? who knows...

---

Or BS?

Eddy, you keep editing your replies, completely changing them. It's very confusing.

This isn't BS I am also a 40 yr old male and am lucid constantly and have great control in my lucids. I started around 8 or 9 yrs old. When you been doing it from childhood its old hat to such a person. Thusly people who are having a ruff time of it can't believe there are people like this guy and me. No doub't there are many more such persons.

Hehe, this has turned into a dating thread.

"40 year old male, natural lucid dreamer. Looking for hypogenic girlfriend."

Welcome to Dream Views, Eddy. :cooler:

I'm sorry to see you were met with such adversity, but since you are new here, you have to understand that these types of threads pop up all the time. People constantly come in here rambling on about how they can do anything at anytime in manners that are transparently empty boasts. I believe that you didn't mean to seem arrogant, but you have to consider your audience. There are hundreds/thousands of members here who give their all to attaining lucid control, failing often. So when you come in talking about how you have complete control, and running off a laundry list of what you can do, it does kind of come off as a "look at me, I'm more skilled than you. Too bad you're not as good as I am!" kinda introduction.

That being said; I understand both your intent and your question. The fact is; you've answered your own question - on more than one occasion - throughout this thread. You've been lucid dreaming since childhood, and you're now in your 40's. It is second nature to you. You've already admitted that, as a kid, you did have limits. You didn't have such complete control, and you've learned to overcome that. Many of the people who are new to lucid dreaming don't have that luxury of so many years of trial and error. They don't have the luxury of having started "bending the rules (physics/logic/etc)" at an early age, so they have a lot more to deal with, in terms of treating the dream world differently than they do the waking world. Hell, even I've been lucid dreaming for as far back as I can remember, and I still don't have perfect control. If I wanted to label myself, I'd say I'm pretty advanced, but "perfect" is a label I wouldn't dare touch. Most of my failures come from doubt - especially when trying something new. Flying is a constant bother to me, because the concept of gravity constantly lingers in the back of my mind. Even though I'm aware that there is no gravity in dreams, my scatter-brained nature simply cannot keep the thought from bubbling to the surface, and all it takes is that single, stray schema to make me begin to sink.

Anxiety, doubt, insecurity, an adherence to waking-world laws; all of these things are reasons that people have limits. You have to consider how long you have been doing something, before you claim surprise at how other people can't do it as well as you do. It would be a lot like a kung-fu master of 35 years coming into a school of 2-10 year students, and being surprised that none of them could beat him. That's the main reason people reacted to your post the way they did.

Anyway, I'm glad to have you around, and I'm looking forward to hearing some of your experience. I hope you start up a dream journal, and consider helping others in their attempts.

Make yourself at home!

A co-worker of mine reports a very similar experience. He is lucid in nearly every dream he has, and often has multiple false awakenings, which he also said can be disorienting. He didn't know this was rare, and he didn't even know it was called lucid dreaming! He doesn't particularly try to control his dreams, or choose his actions in his dreams--apparently it doesn't really occur to him to do that. I told him he is ripe to become an advanced creative dreamer and sent him a few links.

well peopel who dream lucid young they probable can remeber the first few times and it takes a wile to master so you probable masterd it and dont even remember XD

Pretty interesting, the reason you can LD daily is because you do not excess the power given to you. As you mentioned before, you do not alter your dream but instead you follow your own dream pattern (thoughts). If I were you, I would start interrogating everyone in an LD as I do now.

Dreamviews is made for people who wish to achieve LD and who are already experiencing it.
On the contrary, by saying "I don't understand you guys at all", you directly attacked the whole community by saying "I can LD on a nightly basis" unlike the rest of you. The rest of us are still trying and trying, discouraging them is a very bad thing anyone could do, what they need now is encouragement and not the opposite.

My 2 cents : I believe you can LD, but i doubt you can do it on a nightly basis. There is a limit one could LD, 3-4 per week is reasonable, but 7 days a week/12 month's that's too much of a fairy tail. If your words are indeed true, you would have the knowledge and experience no one in this board has throughout your lucid dreams. Not only would your consciousness expand, but you would have direct relationship with your subconscious. In my own LD's, I get a huge amount of experience, and I experiment on them to expand my experience further.

The other reason why you could have LD's might be because your wasting time not exploring them as you should. You just wander around in them without seeking a deeper meaning in them. It was obvious from your first post, that you have a limited knowledge of the potential of LD's. Powers and the rest are just the small additional fingers you get in LD's. At your age which should be no less than 40+, you wasted 30 years? of daily Lucid dreams. That is a big price you payed there for having them as you claim.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gameover

Imagine posting on a Cerebral Palsy forum that you have complete control of your muscles and can't understand why other people have trouble. And that maybe they're just "trying too hard", because it's easy for you.

The original post does come off as extremely arrogant. And unlike Eddy has claimed, I don't see any way that it could have been phrased to make it sound less arrogant. If this was supposed to be a legit question, it didn't come off that way. A little research into lucid dreaming or this community would have been wise before making this post.

---

^ this