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ok several questions to those who found RB successful - specify if it simply helps you fall asleep or if you have had WILD's
1.do you try to keep a clear mind while attempting it or do you let your thoughts run wild?
2. do you lie on your back in the WILD pose?
3.do you allow yourself to move while attempting it? (specify- move just a bit or a lot- including completely changing position)
4.are you trying it in the middle of the night or when falling asleep initially
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Originally Posted by yuriythebest
1. Ive done both, but trying to keep a clear mind works better
2. lye in whatever position is comfortable to you, or whatever position you normaly fall asleep in
3. ive moved before, to like scratch my face from and itch it doesnt disrupt anything. ive even changed positions before, but try not to change too much, like only once
4. ive only used to fall asleep, have yet to try with WILD
Same here, except with number 4. I use it to fall asleep, then use it for WILD with WBTB.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesLD
how well did it work with WILD for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
First time at around 6AM I did it in the weekend. I got a nice satisfying LD for about 15 to 20 minutes. Second time at 2AM I had trouble sleeping and managed to LD, but it wasn't greatly lucid and the dream ended in 10 minutes. This morning at 5AM I had a lucid that went for about 45 minutes to an hour, which I enjoyed. 3 LDs - 100% success with the method. :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesLD
I recommend this for everyone. It is a great way to fall asleep or get into a trance state. I use it regularly when I WILD and meditate.
that sounds sick as hell! im gunna try it tomorrow morningQuote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
Great! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesLD
I really hope it works for you. No harm in trying.
mind explaining to me how you WILD? ive always tried in the past with no successQuote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
I do EXACTLY this. It includes KingYoshis technique mixed with RB. Follow these steps after sleeping for 4 to 5 hours. You may want to set an alarm. I wake up naturally at around 2AM or 5AM.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesLD
1. KingYoshi recommends this flexing thing. Basically you flex you arm, leg, neck, and stomach muscles and then relax them. This is quite relaxing.
2. Do the reverse blinking until you feel tired or until it starts to get hard.
3. Close your eyes. Let thoughts pass through you mind. Don't focus on any too strongly.
4. Let SP take over. I was so relaxed I didn't even notice. For me I get heavy and numb. Sometimes small sounds echo loudly. I also feel my bed sway. Its different for everyone. If you start to get uncomfortable focus on your breathing. Remember to not focus on any thoughts too strongly. Just keep reminding yourself "I am in a dream" or "I am lucid".
6. Don't focus on getting into a dream. Just focus on relaxing. Soon, if you are fully aware (like I was this morning) you will feel a strange deep feeling as if you are collapsing in on yourself. Then you will start to see a hallucination get more vivid.
7. When this happens, picture yourself rubbing your hands together. Keep doing it. Only stop when you are fully lucid and the world around you is fully "rendered" (somehow you will go from imaging moving your hands to actually doing it.)
8. Enjoy the dream. If you start to fade, rub your hands together again. It really helps me.
how long do you stay up after sleeping for 4-5 hours?
10 to 15 minutes (sometimes shorter) usually. But I don't get up and walk around. I just turn in my bed and try to get into an LD. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesLD
Wow, this technique sounds too good to be true :P. I'm going to bed shortly and may WBTB later so I'm going to try this out.
I tried this once back when I was having LDs and it didn't work for me so I gave up on it. But, after all these positive comments regarding it, I'm going to have to try this again.
A pity some techniques aren't for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by John11
Offtopic: Aw. Your avatar is so cute. :P
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Originally Posted by The Silver Bullet
yeah same here. thanks mr Loaf for your detailed description will try that
All the newbies talk about this in chat. I never knew what it was.
(Used as part of technique in successful WILD.)Quote:
Originally Posted by yuriythebest
Note: Only one success so far, but was first attempt using this combination of techniques:
1) Keep to mantra/affirmation throughout RBing and after.
I did my blinks five seconds apart and inserted the affirmation, "I'll remember to realise I'm dreaming." in between blinks.
2) Started RBing with affirmation while on my back. Once eyes were exhausted I switched to normal sleeping position - on my side (thanks, KingYoshi!), and continued affirmation at same rate but without the blinks.
3) I didn't really think about moving or not moving. All I thought about was going to sleep while repeating the mantra.
4) Straight away on going to bed. But I pretty much knew I was guaranteed a rem-rebound on the night it worked, so tonight I'll try it with WBTB instead.
Transition
Had a kind of double transition. In the first I experienced the well-documented "sinister presence". It's like a feeling that something bad is going to happen, or that someone (or something) malevolent is in the house. In this case, I was back in my childhood bed and my brother jumped on me and grabbed my arm. I ignored him ;)
In the second transition part, my body was spinning/falling and I went with the spinning, enjoyed the ride and, as far as I can recall, I tried to increase it a bit. I wondered when I knew it would be safe to "step from my body" but, somehow, instinctively I just "pinged" out of my body and found myself standing by my childhood bed.
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Also note:
Didn't think about SP once, the onset of SP, or even experience any bodily sensations other than spinning.
Didn't think about HI once.
Experiments
I don't want to be too dependent on one technique to initiate WILDs, so longer term I'll be seeing if I can succeed without RBing.
Early signs suggest that I'm not going to be a "watch HI" kind of WILDer - I don't get many visuals.
Will annoying noises (people walking above you, clanging dishes) ruin these sorts of brainwave altering methods or can they be overcome with practice? I can just try it later on in the night when it's less noisy, but it'd be nice if I could learn to do this earlier in the evening as an option.
LOL, Thats a good one man!Quote:
Originally Posted by yuriythebest
As for RBing, I tried it last night when I went to bed and my arms and legs got numb quicker, I started seeing and hearing HI quicker, plus auditory HI is rarer with me. Then probably 10-15 minutes or so into it I started feeling vibrations and my heart started beating really fast but I didn't go into SP and I ended up switching positions, which messed everything up. I will definitely try this again soon though, possibly later this evening for a nap or next time I WBTB.
it doesnt work for me -_- surprise, surprise.
I tried it yesterday when I was lying down and felt very relaxed,later on when I was going to sleep I tried it again and even though I wasn't able to achieve a WILD it kind of helped me sleep faster and I got my first DILD in months,maybe that was placebo,coincidence,or affirmations when in a relaxed state.
I think the effects weren't 100% because I didn't do it right, i opened my eyes more often than every 5 seconds.
I will continue trying and report the results :D
I had great success with this technique on the first try. I had HH for about 20 minutes. SP lasted a long time. It was very easy, and felt natural.
Wow, I just layed down in my bed and tried this for maybe a minute and I felt my restlessness just die almost instantly.
Definitly huge potential here
That's exactly how I felt. I tried it first just sitting in a chair. I was already tired. I opened my eyes three times in fifteen seconds, and I already felt like I could barely keep my eyes open.Quote:
Originally Posted by 44CalibreSunlight
Each time I opened my eyes, it got harder and harder. I wasn't afraid like I would have been as a child. I just let it happen. Soon my entire body was in SP, and I had a lot, I mean a lot, of both visual and aural HH. It was a little harder to focus on my dream, because the HH was so intensely distracting, especially the aural.
But, to have such great results on the first try, wow.