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      ok several questions to those who found RB successful - specify if it simply helps you fall asleep or if you have had WILD's

      1.do you try to keep a clear mind while attempting it or do you let your thoughts run wild?
      2. do you lie on your back in the WILD pose?
      3.do you allow yourself to move while attempting it? (specify- move just a bit or a lot- including completely changing position)
      4.are you trying it in the middle of the night or when falling asleep initially
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      Quote Originally Posted by yuriythebest View Post
      ok several questions to those who found RB successful - specify if it simply helps you fall asleep or if you have had WILD's

      1.do you try to keep a clear mind while attempting it or do you let your thoughts run wild?
      2. do you lie on your back in the WILD pose?
      3.do you allow yourself to move while attempting it? (specify- move just a bit or a lot- including completely changing position)
      4.are you trying it in the middle of the night or when falling asleep initially


      1. Ive done both, but trying to keep a clear mind works better
      2. lye in whatever position is comfortable to you, or whatever position you normaly fall asleep in
      3. ive moved before, to like scratch my face from and itch it doesnt disrupt anything. ive even changed positions before, but try not to change too much, like only once
      4. ive only used to fall asleep, have yet to try with WILD
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      Quote Originally Posted by JamesLD View Post
      1. Ive done both, but trying to keep a clear mind works better
      2. lye in whatever position is comfortable to you, or whatever position you normaly fall asleep in
      3. ive moved before, to like scratch my face from and itch it doesnt disrupt anything. ive even changed positions before, but try not to change too much, like only once
      4. ive only used to fall asleep, have yet to try with WILD
      Same here, except with number 4. I use it to fall asleep, then use it for WILD with WBTB.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Loaf View Post
      Same here, except with number 4. I use it to fall asleep, then use it for WILD with WBTB.
      how well did it work with WILD for you?
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      Quote Originally Posted by JamesLD View Post
      how well did it work with WILD for you?
      First time at around 6AM I did it in the weekend. I got a nice satisfying LD for about 15 to 20 minutes. Second time at 2AM I had trouble sleeping and managed to LD, but it wasn't greatly lucid and the dream ended in 10 minutes. This morning at 5AM I had a lucid that went for about 45 minutes to an hour, which I enjoyed. 3 LDs - 100% success with the method.

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      I recommend this for everyone. It is a great way to fall asleep or get into a trance state. I use it regularly when I WILD and meditate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Loaf View Post
      First time at around 6AM I did it in the weekend. I got a nice satisfying LD for about 15 to 20 minutes. Second time at 2AM I had trouble sleeping and managed to LD, but it wasn't greatly lucid and the dream ended in 10 minutes. This morning at 5AM I had a lucid that went for about 45 minutes to an hour, which I enjoyed. 3 LDs - 100% success with the method.
      that sounds sick as hell! im gunna try it tomorrow morning
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      Quote Originally Posted by JamesLD View Post
      that sounds sick as hell! im gunna try it tomorrow morning
      Great!
      I really hope it works for you. No harm in trying.

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      Quote Originally Posted by yuriythebest View Post

      1.do you try to keep a clear mind while attempting it or do you let your thoughts run wild?
      2. do you lie on your back in the WILD pose?
      3.do you allow yourself to move while attempting it? (specify- move just a bit or a lot- including completely changing position)
      4.are you trying it in the middle of the night or when falling asleep initially
      (Used as part of technique in successful WILD.)

      Note: Only one success so far, but was first attempt using this combination of techniques:

      1) Keep to mantra/affirmation throughout RBing and after.

      I did my blinks five seconds apart and inserted the affirmation, "I'll remember to realise I'm dreaming." in between blinks.

      2)
      Started RBing with affirmation while on my back. Once eyes were exhausted I switched to normal sleeping position - on my side (thanks, KingYoshi!), and continued affirmation at same rate but without the blinks.

      3) I didn't really think about moving or not moving. All I thought about was going to sleep while repeating the mantra.

      4)
      Straight away on going to bed. But I pretty much knew I was guaranteed a rem-rebound on the night it worked, so tonight I'll try it with WBTB instead.

      Transition

      Had a kind of double transition. In the first I experienced the well-documented "sinister presence". It's like a feeling that something bad is going to happen, or that someone (or something) malevolent is in the house. In this case, I was back in my childhood bed and my brother jumped on me and grabbed my arm. I ignored him

      In the second transition part, my body was spinning/falling and I went with the spinning, enjoyed the ride and, as far as I can recall, I tried to increase it a bit. I wondered when I knew it would be safe to "step from my body" but, somehow, instinctively I just "pinged" out of my body and found myself standing by my childhood bed.
      [B]

      Also note:

      Didn't think about SP once, the onset of SP, or even experience any bodily sensations other than spinning.

      Didn't think about HI once.

      Experiments

      I don't want to be too dependent on one technique to initiate WILDs, so longer term I'll be seeing if I can succeed without RBing.

      Early signs suggest that I'm not going to be a "watch HI" kind of WILDer - I don't get many visuals.
      Last edited by TheWeirdnessSymposium; 10-20-2009 at 01:22 PM.

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      Will annoying noises (people walking above you, clanging dishes) ruin these sorts of brainwave altering methods or can they be overcome with practice? I can just try it later on in the night when it's less noisy, but it'd be nice if I could learn to do this earlier in the evening as an option.

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