Stopping real time in a lucid dream

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Originally Posted by web-us.com

Stopping real time in your Lucid Dreams means making the Lucid Dream last far more than the time passed by in the physical world. Like having a dream that last a few minutes in real time, while you might experience it as a few days in the dream. By doing this can you enjoy the dream scape a lot more, since you can spend days in the dream while it really just last a few minutes. Robert Monroe even reported experiencing 100 years in a 2 hours OOBE. But to experience this might be difficult, little research have been done on this area. And those that experience it don't consciously try to have them. Still, there are a few techniques you might try. First of all, set your intention to stop real time. Have that intention in mind while having your Lucid Dream. Picture yourself being in the dream for days, maybe even weeks before you wake up. You might try to saying out loud: "Stop time now!" You can try looking at your clock in the dream, and imagine that the clock slow down and stop. You might try to expect the dream to last for days. You might try visualize two pyramids, connected at their bases counterrotating. And maybe visualize multiple pyramids rotating inside each other all rotating. This is something worth going for, as it may give you incredible long Lucid Dreams.

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Sound interesting, or what?

Anybody have any experience with this?

I've tried.. and I have had no sucess. But, 100 years in a dream? Who wants that..? Maybe a week would be nice.

07.10.2009
In Which I Meet Kronos, the god of time (Non-lucid)

NON-DREAM DREAM LUCID

I thought it would be "fun" to meet Kronos, and ask him how to stop time.

I was on the Moon, in the Biodome. My astral pet, Jo, the Mollosian, ran up to me, and leaned on me heavily the way big dogs do. I looked around. Why did I feel I needed to go to the Moon before I met the god of Time? where was I supposed to go?

As if in answer to my thoughts, a man appeared, hovering before me. He was a bald pale man, wearing a long black and blue robe. He looked like Mr. Gone from The Maxx.

"You called?" he asked grimly, then raised his hands two his sides, his palms facing me. BV-V-V-V-V-V!

We were in outer space. I felt my body turn inside out, and he was spinning me in two great circles, no a lemniscate. It was absolutely terrifying. My dream body wanted to feel pain, but I kept reminding myself that it was a dream. If I had a mouth, it would have been opened in a silent scream of near madness.
I saw circles of Kronos' own dream body go in and out of him, like Venom when he gets hit with a sonic blast, except it was deliberate and precise.

"Why have you called me?" he demanded in a voice like the roaring of a thousand lions.

"Because, I want to learn how to stop time." I felt like a spoiled brat asking for more candy.

"You think you can stop ME?" he roared again, and spun me faster. Then, he stretched the lemniscate he made my dream body into even greater. I felt like my soul was being ripped apart then smashed back together. I began screaming in pure terror.

"You fool! You cannot stop TIME! TIME IS INFINITE!" he roared in fury like an army of demons hell-bent on revenge. "All you can change is your perception of Time, idiot!"

Then, he slowed the lemniscate-me, and I started to faintly glow with a white light. "You pathetic little fool. Don't you understand that you are part of everything and nothing at the same time? Don't you see all is moving never stopping at the same time? Everything is expanding and contracting at the same time. You can stop nothing! What makes you think you can stop Time?"

"Can I at least slow time?" I asked weakly. My persistence apparently amused him. He threw back his head and laughed the laugh of a thousand gods that is still ringing in my ears.

I was back on the Moon, in the Biodome, alone.

I felt naseous. I walked stumbled around like a drunken sailor, and my dream body shifted and morphed uncontrollably. My arms grew to giant size, like two blades of flesh. I planted my blade-arms in the ground for stability. I felt like Clayface. This is a cool effect, at least. What am I thinking? I could always do this.

I picked up a moon rock and held it close to my navel to ground myself. I stood up straight and closed my eyes. I grew roots down into the earth, and turned into a tree.

I am just going to be a tree and stand here for awhile. That was pure madness. I wonder how long I can stay here, and dream of myself as a tree? I wonder if Raven will recognize me as a tree here like this.

The dream faded.

Commentary: This was absolutely the most terrifying dream of my life. It wasn't fun. In waking life, still, I am reeling. I am consistently humbled.

Um...I'm pretty sure this has been tested before, and shown that dream time is roughly equivalent to real time. While you can alter dream time, you will experience it as if in real time. It is very unusual to have a dream exceeding more than an hour at most, I think. There are all sorts of ways to go about lengthening a lucid dream, but not anywhere close to the 100-year mark mentioned.

I have this happen frequently, but on a MUCH smaller scale. 100 years in a dream! :shock: Wow! :shock: If he remembered all of that then meeting up with family and friends IRL would be like seeing people he had been away from for a lifetime... and they would wonder what his problem was because they saw him yesterday! :disconcerted: When it happens to me it means that I might experience a couple of hours of dream time in just a half hour IRL. If I was in a dream for 100 years I would probably completely forget about the waking world and freak out when I woke and found out I was dreaming my whole life! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Noogah

Sound interesting, or what?

Anybody have any experience with this?

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Stopping time and lengthening LD's are two entirely different things. However, slowing time down, or your perception of it, may lengthen LD's. If you want to lengthen the time of your dreams, I suggest staying in one place.

You could just use placebo, and an article of focus.

Just get a clock that's ticking at normal pace, and slow it down.

With the proper ammount of trust, that could work.

In theory, wouldn't this be kind of hard on your brain?

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Originally Posted by Noogah

You could just use placebo, and an article of focus.

Just get a clock that's ticking at normal pace, and slow it down.

With the proper ammount of trust, that could work.

In theory, wouldn't this be kind of hard on your brain?

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Hard? Try impossible. A person cannot hold time perfectly still, and the brain cannot move at such a tremendous rate as to make a minute appear to be a year. Not going to happen.
Lucids can be lengthened via reality checking and other stabilizing methods, along with experience, but cannot manipulate time in the real world.

Yeah, I think the fastest it goes is 4 or 5 times the normal speed, and that is in perception. A year in a day, I don't think so, I got up to 14 hours but that isn't stopping time, its just changing your perception of it.

This is near impossible to dream at a faster speed in lucids unless you have EXTREME dream control abilities. It's also uncommon in non lucid dreams. What happens is your brain either creates false memories, or it skips things.

False memories are when your mind creates memories and causes you to believe they were real. For instance, the most common occurrence of this in my dreams is when I see a movie. I'll go into a dream movie theater and look at the posters on the wall. I'll see a poster for Extreme Super Uber Mega Crab Battle, and instantly my brain will make up an entire movie. Most would think they actually watched the movie.

The other possibility, skipping, is used in movies and theater. A man and a woman, both completely drunk, stumble into a bedroom. They hurriedly fumble with their clothes, collapse on the bed, and kiss. Cut to the next morning.
You didn't actually see them have sex, nor did they actually have it. But if you were to recap the movie, you'd say they did. This happens in dreams multiple times. People who say their dreams last a lifetime, they've probably just had 1 minute cuts of different stages of life.

The two working together are effective at creating a convincing illusion of an extended dream, but are nothing more than that.

It's not about slowing or stopping time, it's about changing your perception of time.

Yes, and that can't really be done.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

Yes, and that can't really be done.

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This is true... a person can't slow or stop time, you can only speed yourself up (making time seem slower) or slow yourself down (making time seem faster), thus changing your perspective.

As for spending a couple hours in a dream and having a half hour pass in the waking world, it depends on where you went in the dream. Time doesn't flow at the same rate in all the different worlds. Dream travel to a world where time naturally flows at three times the rate it does here and you could spend an hour and a half there with only half an hour passing here. Again, a matter of perspective. :D

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Originally Posted by Raven Knight

Time doesn't flow at the same rate in all the different worlds

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Yeah. C.S Lewis had the same theory.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...siesnarnia.jpg

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Originally Posted by Walms

A year in a day, I don't think so, I got up to 14 hours but that isn't stopping time, its just changing your perception of it.

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Fourteen hours sound fine to me!

Oh? I thought you were talking about the year ones, and I don't think I like doing that nor recomend it, always end up with a headache <.<
And lol, narnia.

Please remember dreaming has nothing to do with magic, people. New-agers will be shot on sight. :sniper:

And I remind you that the brain percieving/processing data faster than normal isn't magic either, so don't throw time dilation into new-agey subject... unless they start to say its a fact that you can do it for long periods of time.

There were some people here five years ago who swore they could experience years in a lucid dream. One of them even claimed he lived entire lifetimes and even watched his kids grow up in some dreams. I think that's probably a crock, but I am not sure how much of a time difference you can make in a lucid. A mind is very powerful in a dream state.

I experienced a day at the beach in a lucid dream one time, but looking back on it, I really just experienced a bunch of short highlights of a day and the set of highlights had me going, "Man, I've been at this beach for hours."

Experiencing years in a lucid dream is something that I do not put pass possibility for I have experienced so much in dreams, I believe so much is possible.

when i become lucid i'm gonna try and find the watch from the movie clockstoppers and use that to super-slow down time and see if it works.

I have not forcefully changed the length of dreams although i find if i wake up and go back for a sleep in when the sun is up, i have very long dreams although i wake up and only 5 or so minutes have passes, and i can do it about 4 times before i can not get back to sleep.

I thought dreams were only usually 4 seconds...? How could they be equivalent to real time, then, if that's true? *Confused*

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Originally Posted by Demara

I thought dreams were only usually 4 seconds...? How could they be equivalent to real time, then, if that's true? *Confused*

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Nah, dreams can last well beyond 30 minutes in the later stages of sleep.

I have stopped time once in a WILD. The results were pretty incredible. The dream didn't last longer than a normal WILD, but...

How to describe the atmosphere--I was able to touch the air and space around me itself. When I did, it would stretch and bed as if it were a thin plastic, or maybe acrylic paint. It was amazing and so vivid, so bright.

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.

There is an wave frequency limit on the brain, but that does not prove a limit on time perception. Until we know what creates time speed perception, we can't really answer the question scientifically.

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Originally Posted by nyrawake

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.

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I'm fairly certain that about 40 hz is the frequency most commonly associated with intense mental activity, and about 30-12 is standard, alert thinking. The brain seems to struggle to attain much over 100 hz, it seems. 1,000 hz would be nuts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_waves
You are right in that our thoughts cannot exceed a certain physical limitation. Even if we were to increase our thinking capacities 10 fold (~100% of your brain), which is impossible, I still couldn't imagine your brain perceiving time to pass at a rate of many years per minute. It isn't going to happen. Sorry.

You cannot stop real time. I guess you could do certain things to lengthen your LDs, but you cannot stop someone from waking you up.

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Originally Posted by Mario92

I'm fairly certain that about 40 hz is the frequency most commonly associated with intense mental activity, and about 30-12 is standard, alert thinking. The brain seems to struggle to attain much over 100 hz, it seems. 1,000 hz would be nuts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_waves
You are right in that our thoughts cannot exceed a certain physical limitation. Even if we were to increase our thinking capacities 10 fold (~100% of your brain), which is impossible, I still couldn't imagine your brain perceiving time to pass at a rate of many years per minute. It isn't going to happen. Sorry.

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neural firing rates and brain wave activity read on an eeg are similar in some ways and very different in others. The neuron fires at about 1/1000th of a second. Could you imagine if the neuron only fired at 30-12 times per second. It'd take a hell of a long time for any message to get through. Because the neuron charges and then discharges or completes a cycle I used the Hz notation. I think that's where you got confused with what I was talking about. So to be clear, i wasn't talking about brain waves.

and your very right. Now computers, they have the power to do what's being suggested in this thread, just not yet. Computers think A SHIT LOAD faster then we do, we only have the advantage because we have a lot more processing power then they do. If they had near as many cpus as we have neurons we would be their pets.
not sure what you ment by increaseing our brain power ten fold, if I think you meant what I think you did let me correct a common myth. We use 10% of our brain at any given time, we use it 100% of our brain, just only specialized places at a given time. We don't walk with our teeth after all. If that's not what you meant they ok, least i taught someone something somewhere out there.

OH and i should also mention that another limit to this idea is that the message that is sent by the neuron doesn't travel very fast. They travel to and from the brain at about .1-100 m/s or so. 100 m/s sounds fast, but it's not, it's REALLY not.

Ah, now that makes more sense. :)

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

There is an wave frequency limit on the brain, but that does not prove a limit on time perception. Until we know what creates time speed perception, we can't really answer the question scientifically.

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We know what creates time perception. There is a cluster of nerves in the brain that all fire at about a second at a time in a very similar timing to the second. It's not the most exact clock, but it keeps us on track.

I know, let's just sleep in a cryo chamber! If we turn it to absolute zero, then time will have stopped for us, and then we'd be free to dream - crap.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

I know, let's just sleep in a cryo chamber! If we turn it to absolute zero, then time will have stopped for us, and then we'd be free to dream - crap.

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Yeah, except for the part where you DIE. ;)

You wouldn't die. Mass would stop moving, and so time would stop. You wouldn't be dead, and could potentially be relivable.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

You wouldn't die. Mass would stop moving, and so time would stop. You wouldn't be dead, and could potentially be relivable.

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And how do you plan to get to Absolute Zero, oh wise one? Assuming it's even possible to achieve (which it isn't), the chilling process would kill you, plain and simple. The ice crystals that would form in your blood would rupture your cell membranes and you would die anyway. Also, without a brain to dream with, you wouldn't be dreaming.

Because if you were flash frozen you'd be stuck in a state of limbo. You wouldn't even be cold, as there is no cold if there is no heat. As for how it is to be done, I have no idea.

Didn't Labarge do a study in which people counted seconds in their lucids and got results that were very similar to the time that had passed in real life?

I really wish that was true but the people who've been saying it was just highlights of the day/week/100 years are probably right.

A week long dream would be INSANELY awesome but I'm afraid to awesome to actually be real :/

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Originally Posted by nyrawake

We know what creates time perception. There is a cluster of nerves in the brain that all fire at about a second at a time in a very similar timing to the second. It's not the most exact clock, but it keeps us on track.

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Really? Hmmm... What happens if those nerves start firing ten times per second? Will one real second seem like ten dream seconds? What is the limit on that?

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Really? Hmmm... What happens if those nerves start firing ten times per second? Will one real second seem like ten dream seconds? What is the limit on that?

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you don't want that to happen. that cluster is thought to control our circadian rhythms. you'd probably feel incredibly stressed for time and very weird. not to mention your body would go through processes during the morning that it shouldn't until night. and that's just in the short term. anyways would you really wanna go messing with a part of the brain we don't completely understand yet?

Remember, there is a speed limit for our brains. Thoughts are made of electricity, and as such can only travel at a certain speed which eludes me right now.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

Remember, there is a speed limit for our brains. Thoughts are made of electricity, and as such can only travel at a certain speed which eludes me right now.

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depending on the message being sent they travel from .1-100 m/s

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We were in outer space. I felt my body turn inside out, and he was spinning me in two great circles, no a lemniscate. I

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If I do ever accomplish a shared dream, nobody better pull a stunt like that.
You becoming a tree... that reminds me of a book I read where there is a disease passed in the air by trees that turns human beings into trees. He he.

I agree with the above posts on the whole "100 years" thing. That is uncomfortably long. I'd feel as if I would lose touch with family, friends, and everything I've come to know. Then to wake up after that and continue with life where you left it? It'd be weird. Would you actually feel as if you were asleep for 100 years?

I'd try for a day. Even so it sounds dangerous. Is it safe for your mind?

I do have an expierence



I found myself at a airport, no idea why..since I wasnt picking anyone up, or been there for a few months now, but anyway, I was in this airport..wasnt lucid ( yet)..but was with this group of girls...then somehow this one girl got something on her shoe and asked me to go get her a wet paper towel , so I headed to the bathroom for it which took a while, because I couldnt find any....then somehow became lucid without any kind of DS or RC, I just found myself to be dreaming..which has been happening lately...I just find myself being in a dream without really noticing anything major ..I just do a RC when I feel I am dreaming and most of the time, It passes...that shows bad DS ability but its ok because I can find dream signs easy..anyway...I bring back this paper towel kind of damp for her to wipe her shoe..she said thanks..but this is where my fun kicks in..I said ur welcome but for some reason, I spit when I talked..and the little tiny spit hit her in her arm...LMAO...go figure...they all starting laughing at me over it and it made me feel like shyt....so knowing I was lucid..I told myself ur dreaming..u can fix this...so I duno if any of you ever watched charmed on TNT, but the one sister Piper can freeze time, not sure why this came to mind but it did...so with thinking of this witches power and knowing i was lucid..I flashed my hands in front of me while thinking of freezing everyone...and to my amazement..eveyrone was frozen solid...I was actually very fond of this because usually freezing people or stopping time, usually doesnt work for me because I guess Im never lucid enough or believe I can do it...so everyone freezes...and for some reason I was thinking I can work this whole situation like DVR ( LMAO ) so I said " REWIND " and believe it or not...everyone not just the group of girls but everyone starting rewinding...was simply amazing...but I could not find the part where I spit when I talked..so I treated this DVR like a voice activated system...Im like " computer, find where I spit " and everything starting rewinding faster, and finally it stopped right where I was about to hand her the paper towel..so I said continue or w/e and it all picked up as if me spitting never happened....I just simply rewinded it..and recorded again ...was awesome....so if anyone of you never expiermented with freezing people / time, and then rewinding it....I suggest to try it because it was alot of fun

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Originally Posted by nyrawake

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.

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I like this. It helps me make my point. While slowing actual time may not be possible, changing how fast your brain perceives the information is receives is definitely possible. That is to say, changing your view of time and how fast or slow they seem to you is possible. Even in the waking world, it's possible. Anyone who have ever been in a serious accident or combat situation can attest to the truth of this statement. The adrenaline boost in this situation can make everything seem to slow down for you, and something that may have actually lasted 4-5 seconds could seem like 15-20 to you. While not as extreme as the 100 aforementioned years, it does prove that you can get more bang for your buck, so to speak.

My concern however, is that your body is only so accustomed to a certain level of hormones running through your system. If you follow the theory that speeding up your perception of time in a dream is speeding up how fast your brain perceives your dream, then would this mean that you're inducing your body's endocrine system to provide more adrenaline to your brain? And, if so, wouldn't excessive use of this ability damage your body or brain, or their ability to heal during the night?

Actually, from practical purpose what we strife for - is to experience a number of events which would take, say, hour in WL, during twenty minutes LD. From nyrawake's posts I did not quite figured is there limitation for this.

Just smoke some cannabis and EVERYTHING gets slower ha ha.

That would be interesting to try in a dream... hmm

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Actually, from practical purpose what we strife for - is to experience a number of events which would take, say, hour in WL, during twenty minutes LD. From nyrawake's posts I did not quite figured is there limitation for this.

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Dream time is roughly equivalent to real time. It is more or less a fixed value, and when you take 1/3 the time in a lucid to do something that would take an hour to do in reality, you're going to miss stuff. There will be scene skips or shortcuts taken, and you won't feel like you're conscious for a full hour.

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Originally Posted by Beyond Reality

Just smoke some cannabis and EVERYTHING gets slower ha ha.

That would be interesting to try in a dream... hmm

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Yeah, people do dream drugs all the time. I don't promote them or do them in reality, but shrooms are still on my lucid task list. ;)

I am inexperienced in this and am trying to reach LD someday, but...

What if you made place (room), in which you`d have HUGE hourglass. After sand would run out you would awake. Now you should:

A) try to change your perception and slow the hourglass before it runs out.

or

B) make yourself so much faster in a dream, that the hourglass seems much slower, but despite you being faster, have things you experience at the normal speed.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Mario92

Dream time is roughly equivalent to real time. It is more or less a fixed value, and when you take 1/3 the time in a lucid to do something that would take an hour to do in reality, you're going to miss stuff. There will be scene skips or shortcuts taken, and you won't feel like you're conscious for a full hour.

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Well, yes, I know this is a popular belief among secular dreamers but personally I am undecided (there are anecdotal evidences from advanced dreamers such as Walms, or Pedro from LD4ALL) that's why I was interested is there principal known limitation which could make it impossible for sure.

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Yeah, people do dream drugs all the time. I don't promote them or do them in reality, but shrooms are still on my lucid task list. ;)

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I've eaten shrooms in a dream. I was in a park with my friends having a picnic, and my friends saw I had shrooms and they wanted me to get rid of them. I accidently dropped the bag they were in and I was searching all over the ground and eating all the shrooms I could find lol. The dream ended before it could get trippy :(

I've also eaten shrooms in real life and then gone to bed. That's kinda fun (you have really strange dreams). You have to take an extremely low dose though because with a high dose it's impossible to fall asleep.

Speaking of shrooms, you could just start eating large amounts of them fairly frequently until you've become familiar with the feeling that half an hour has lasted an eternity, then try to recreate that in a LD. That's somewhere in my goals.

I did this in a non-lucid a couple of nights ago.. I was looking at a watch in class, and I just slowed it down, until everything was moving so slow, it was almost at a stop.

I dont like all this science. Anything is possible if you belive it 100%
I have once had a dream... non lucid... and according to my perception the dream lasted well over a few weeks. I went to sleep in my dream and woke up several times. It was one of the most coherant dreams i ever had, and was almost like a second life.

Imagination sets you free, science restrains and creates fear. Expect the unexpected and belive in the 'impossible' and you can do anything you want.

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Originally Posted by Adam24;1273622[B

]I dont like all this science. Anything is possible if you belive it 100% [/B]
I have once had a dream... non lucid... and according to my perception the dream lasted well over a few weeks. I went to sleep in my dream and woke up several times. It was one of the most coherant dreams i ever had, and was almost like a second life.

Imagination sets you free, science restrains and creates fear. Expect the unexpected and belive in the 'impossible' and you can do anything you want.

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You're kidding, right? Okay, how about this: go down to the local airport and creep aboard a plane. Walk into the cockpit. Fly the plane to Cincinnati on an empty tank using only the power of your mind. Can you do it? No. The universe, for the most part, adheres to set laws of physics, and I'm afraid it takes more than sheer willpower to break one or more of these laws. The calcium ions in your brain can only move so quickly.

If there's a limit I think it's breakable. If limits couldn't be breakable why would competitions exist? :P

If a limit is broken there was no limit in the first place.

I have to say this thread has been an AMAZING read. Now I really want to have a Lucid Dream last. And learn how to do it consistantly.

With my obsession of Pandora (and a few other people i've seen on the forum) making it last a day or a week would truely complete my life.

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I don't think so. Think about our stomach: it can take a X limit of volume today, but if we eat daily the max quote it will eventually expand. I cannot run a marathon right now, but if I train I will expand my limits. See what I mean?

The limit is just higher than what we thought it was.

I know this seems to contradict what has already been said, but you can actually stop time completely in a dream.

For the past several months, about once week i get one of those very vivid and real dreams, the first one was when i was in my school's band room, and i made the ASL sign for "f", which i put over my right eye, and time stopped. Not just the clocks, but all motion ceased, except for me. However, the dream figures eventually began to all look at me, and gesturing the exact sign that stopped time in the first place, an F over the right eye. So i repeated the sign, and time went back to normal.

But it doesn't stop there. Four weeks after the dream mentioned above happened, i learned how to completely freeze time and only by my command would it resume again. This dream was when i as confronting some horrible monster thing, and i turned around,instead of being afraid, and yelled "PAUSE!" that was it, time completely stopped. Not like the first attempt, where it stopped but eventually began to work. No, time froze,period.

So for the past few months, all I've had to do is yell "pause" in my dream, and it works, every time. I'm actually getting pretty good at it. Now, i can freeze time, and still use telekinesis or when I'm flying, which I've been able to do since kindergarten, without any error or glitch. Even at one point, i yelled rewind, and the scene replayed from the beginning, while i moved in normal time forward.

Seriously, if you've had any trouble with slowing down time, and trying desperately to achieve stopping time just for the sake of doing it, consider yelling "pause", and knowing that word will work, and it will. That is the wonder of dreams, anything is possible, even stopping time.

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Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Stopping time and lengthening LD's are two entirely different things. However, slowing time down, or your perception of it, may lengthen LD's. If you want to lengthen the time of your dreams, I suggest staying in one place.

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I second that, its also not bad i had a fun time sitting and talking with one of my favorite anime characters under a tree once, was really nice.