Thread: Stopping real time in a lucid dream

I've tried.. and I have had no sucess. But, 100 years in a dream? Who wants that..? Maybe a week would be nice.

07.10.2009
In Which I Meet Kronos, the god of time (Non-lucid)

NON-DREAM DREAM LUCID

I thought it would be "fun" to meet Kronos, and ask him how to stop time.

I was on the Moon, in the Biodome. My astral pet, Jo, the Mollosian, ran up to me, and leaned on me heavily the way big dogs do. I looked around. Why did I feel I needed to go to the Moon before I met the god of Time? where was I supposed to go?

As if in answer to my thoughts, a man appeared, hovering before me. He was a bald pale man, wearing a long black and blue robe. He looked like Mr. Gone from The Maxx.

"You called?" he asked grimly, then raised his hands two his sides, his palms facing me. BV-V-V-V-V-V!

We were in outer space. I felt my body turn inside out, and he was spinning me in two great circles, no a lemniscate. It was absolutely terrifying. My dream body wanted to feel pain, but I kept reminding myself that it was a dream. If I had a mouth, it would have been opened in a silent scream of near madness.
I saw circles of Kronos' own dream body go in and out of him, like Venom when he gets hit with a sonic blast, except it was deliberate and precise.

"Why have you called me?" he demanded in a voice like the roaring of a thousand lions.

"Because, I want to learn how to stop time." I felt like a spoiled brat asking for more candy.

"You think you can stop ME?" he roared again, and spun me faster. Then, he stretched the lemniscate he made my dream body into even greater. I felt like my soul was being ripped apart then smashed back together. I began screaming in pure terror.

"You fool! You cannot stop TIME! TIME IS INFINITE!" he roared in fury like an army of demons hell-bent on revenge. "All you can change is your perception of Time, idiot!"

Then, he slowed the lemniscate-me, and I started to faintly glow with a white light. "You pathetic little fool. Don't you understand that you are part of everything and nothing at the same time? Don't you see all is moving never stopping at the same time? Everything is expanding and contracting at the same time. You can stop nothing! What makes you think you can stop Time?"

"Can I at least slow time?" I asked weakly. My persistence apparently amused him. He threw back his head and laughed the laugh of a thousand gods that is still ringing in my ears.

I was back on the Moon, in the Biodome, alone.

I felt naseous. I walked stumbled around like a drunken sailor, and my dream body shifted and morphed uncontrollably. My arms grew to giant size, like two blades of flesh. I planted my blade-arms in the ground for stability. I felt like Clayface. This is a cool effect, at least. What am I thinking? I could always do this.

I picked up a moon rock and held it close to my navel to ground myself. I stood up straight and closed my eyes. I grew roots down into the earth, and turned into a tree.

I am just going to be a tree and stand here for awhile. That was pure madness. I wonder how long I can stay here, and dream of myself as a tree? I wonder if Raven will recognize me as a tree here like this.

The dream faded.

Commentary: This was absolutely the most terrifying dream of my life. It wasn't fun. In waking life, still, I am reeling. I am consistently humbled.

Um...I'm pretty sure this has been tested before, and shown that dream time is roughly equivalent to real time. While you can alter dream time, you will experience it as if in real time. It is very unusual to have a dream exceeding more than an hour at most, I think. There are all sorts of ways to go about lengthening a lucid dream, but not anywhere close to the 100-year mark mentioned.

I have this happen frequently, but on a MUCH smaller scale. 100 years in a dream! Wow! If he remembered all of that then meeting up with family and friends IRL would be like seeing people he had been away from for a lifetime... and they would wonder what his problem was because they saw him yesterday! When it happens to me it means that I might experience a couple of hours of dream time in just a half hour IRL. If I was in a dream for 100 years I would probably completely forget about the waking world and freak out when I woke and found out I was dreaming my whole life!

Originally Posted by Noogah

Sound interesting, or what?

Anybody have any experience with this?

Stopping time and lengthening LD's are two entirely different things. However, slowing time down, or your perception of it, may lengthen LD's. If you want to lengthen the time of your dreams, I suggest staying in one place.

You could just use placebo, and an article of focus.

Just get a clock that's ticking at normal pace, and slow it down.

With the proper ammount of trust, that could work.

In theory, wouldn't this be kind of hard on your brain?

Originally Posted by Noogah

You could just use placebo, and an article of focus.

Just get a clock that's ticking at normal pace, and slow it down.

With the proper ammount of trust, that could work.

In theory, wouldn't this be kind of hard on your brain?

Hard? Try impossible. A person cannot hold time perfectly still, and the brain cannot move at such a tremendous rate as to make a minute appear to be a year. Not going to happen.
Lucids can be lengthened via reality checking and other stabilizing methods, along with experience, but cannot manipulate time in the real world.

Yeah, I think the fastest it goes is 4 or 5 times the normal speed, and that is in perception. A year in a day, I don't think so, I got up to 14 hours but that isn't stopping time, its just changing your perception of it.

This is near impossible to dream at a faster speed in lucids unless you have EXTREME dream control abilities. It's also uncommon in non lucid dreams. What happens is your brain either creates false memories, or it skips things.

False memories are when your mind creates memories and causes you to believe they were real. For instance, the most common occurrence of this in my dreams is when I see a movie. I'll go into a dream movie theater and look at the posters on the wall. I'll see a poster for Extreme Super Uber Mega Crab Battle, and instantly my brain will make up an entire movie. Most would think they actually watched the movie.

The other possibility, skipping, is used in movies and theater. A man and a woman, both completely drunk, stumble into a bedroom. They hurriedly fumble with their clothes, collapse on the bed, and kiss. Cut to the next morning.
You didn't actually see them have sex, nor did they actually have it. But if you were to recap the movie, you'd say they did. This happens in dreams multiple times. People who say their dreams last a lifetime, they've probably just had 1 minute cuts of different stages of life.

The two working together are effective at creating a convincing illusion of an extended dream, but are nothing more than that.

It's not about slowing or stopping time, it's about changing your perception of time.

Yes, and that can't really be done.

Originally Posted by Conkt

Yes, and that can't really be done.

This is true... a person can't slow or stop time, you can only speed yourself up (making time seem slower) or slow yourself down (making time seem faster), thus changing your perspective.

As for spending a couple hours in a dream and having a half hour pass in the waking world, it depends on where you went in the dream. Time doesn't flow at the same rate in all the different worlds. Dream travel to a world where time naturally flows at three times the rate it does here and you could spend an hour and a half there with only half an hour passing here. Again, a matter of perspective.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

Time doesn't flow at the same rate in all the different worlds

Yeah. C.S Lewis had the same theory.

Originally Posted by Walms

A year in a day, I don't think so, I got up to 14 hours but that isn't stopping time, its just changing your perception of it.

Fourteen hours sound fine to me!

Oh? I thought you were talking about the year ones, and I don't think I like doing that nor recomend it, always end up with a headache <.<
And lol, narnia.

Please remember dreaming has nothing to do with magic, people. New-agers will be shot on sight.

And I remind you that the brain percieving/processing data faster than normal isn't magic either, so don't throw time dilation into new-agey subject... unless they start to say its a fact that you can do it for long periods of time.

There were some people here five years ago who swore they could experience years in a lucid dream. One of them even claimed he lived entire lifetimes and even watched his kids grow up in some dreams. I think that's probably a crock, but I am not sure how much of a time difference you can make in a lucid. A mind is very powerful in a dream state.

I experienced a day at the beach in a lucid dream one time, but looking back on it, I really just experienced a bunch of short highlights of a day and the set of highlights had me going, "Man, I've been at this beach for hours."

Experiencing years in a lucid dream is something that I do not put pass possibility for I have experienced so much in dreams, I believe so much is possible.

when i become lucid i'm gonna try and find the watch from the movie clockstoppers and use that to super-slow down time and see if it works.

I have not forcefully changed the length of dreams although i find if i wake up and go back for a sleep in when the sun is up, i have very long dreams although i wake up and only 5 or so minutes have passes, and i can do it about 4 times before i can not get back to sleep.

I thought dreams were only usually 4 seconds...? How could they be equivalent to real time, then, if that's true? *Confused*

Originally Posted by Demara

I thought dreams were only usually 4 seconds...? How could they be equivalent to real time, then, if that's true? *Confused*

Nah, dreams can last well beyond 30 minutes in the later stages of sleep.

I have stopped time once in a WILD. The results were pretty incredible. The dream didn't last longer than a normal WILD, but...

How to describe the atmosphere--I was able to touch the air and space around me itself. When I did, it would stretch and bed as if it were a thin plastic, or maybe acrylic paint. It was amazing and so vivid, so bright.

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.