Using Crystals to aid Lucid Dreaming

**shel** · 02-10-2005 01:22 AM

At risk of repeating myself (newbie jitters) i like to work crystals into my dreaming techniques. i've read that emeralds, moonstones, and zircon are good for LD, but my attempts with moonstones have yet to yeild any results. i've also used amethyst, which i recommend highly even if just for a good nights sleep; amertrine, which i had my last LD experience with (they don't hold negative energy y'kno); lemurian seed crystal, which i had a very vivid and memorable dream experience, but not a lucid one; and moldavite, which i happen to wear as a pendant, but also have placed under my pillow without much notable results. i intend to try out some other stones that i think might work well, but (like an idiot) i didnt think to really factor them into my dream journal. so now i jot down the stone i use beforehand so when i wake up its one less thing to distract me from the fading memories of dreamstate.

Has anyone else experimented with crystals? if so, which ones do you feel yielded the best results? im open to any suggestions. . .

and, uh, sorry for the formal tone. i just finished reading all the rules and guidelines. its made me a bit. . . deliberative.

shL
"its my first day."

**sensi** · 02-10-2005 10:29 AM

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1768

This may help, A Lost Soul wrote it.

Edit - I just read over your post again and you triggered a memory. I used to be into experimenting with crystals and their energy years ago and you reminded me of the crystal Moldavite. I have a piece too I had forgotten about it. I used to experiment with crystals and sleep but most of the time they would just make me more restless than anything so I stopped. I do have a piece of Greenstone/Pounamu around my neck. Being a jeweller is one of my jobs so I use lots of different stones within my work. One stone I wear at the moment is an aquamarine.

Peace Sensi.

**shel** · 02-11-2005 03:21 AM

moldavite has a very intense energy, but is very effective for enhancing psychic ability.

-how long did you experiment for?

-what stones did you use?

im really enjoying amertrine now. i have a gem quality specimen, but i was able to come across a tumbled stone. its not very large, but compared to the brick of amethyst that i was sleeping on, its just as, if not more, effective.

**Sesquipedalian Dreams** · 02-11-2005 03:48 AM

i dunno...

i feel like it would be a placebo effect if aqnything

**sensi** · 02-11-2005 03:56 AM

"About 20 million years ago a meterorite shower fell in the Moldau Valley of Czechoslovakia. The result of this shower was moldavite, a rare crystal of a bottle-green, translucent hue. Although some people believe that it is a true meteorite (formed in outer space), it is more generally believed that it originates from rock that was struck by a meteorite and melted. According to the latter belief, moldavite combines extraterrestrial and terrestrial properties." - I got it more for the reason that I thought it was from outer space than any other. Although in say that at the time I did use it knowing what its powers where meant to be.

Man I used to play around with different crystals for maybe 5 years. Also using them with opening up charkas etc.

What crystals did I use, far too many to remember. I have many, maybe over 70 crystals at home and all different types. I do not use them any more tho. I still pick them up from time to time but not too often.

Now I just use what I like for jewellery but I still read what it's properties are if I am to wear it.

Peace Sensi.

**TygrHawk** · 02-11-2005 05:03 AM

I have to agree with Sesquipedalianianianaina... whatever.

(I don't like beer, but I couldn't find a emoticon with a martini

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Placebo. You believe it's going to work, so it does. The key to lucid dreaming and dream control is believing that you can do it and that it will happen. I suppose that if placing trinkets under your pillow helps you to truly believe you can do it, it's all well and good, but I believe that you can achieve the same effect with just the power of your mind.

<DennisMiller>Of course, that's just MY opinion, I could be wrong!</DennisMiller>

**shel** · 02-11-2005 09:30 AM

i say that you try it out. get an a natural crystal and put it under your pillow for a week and then get an arbitrary item and do the same. compare the results.

i also meditate with crystals and do other experiments. they definitely give off energy. similarly, i used to sleep with a TV in my room. i took it out because it use to influence my dreams. at first it was only when i feel asleep with it on. then even when it was off i still felt like i was picking up on the last channel broadcasted. i started to cover it with a sheet, then i just took it out of my bedroom all together. i am not plaqued by TV dreams anymore (even though celebrities sometimes make it in). theres of course a difference between TV(hard to fit under pillow) and crystals(only one channel), but they do both give off a measurable amount of energy ( i.e radioactivity, piezoelectric). you can use a geiger counter on both.

truth is i dont believe it works, i know it works from experience. using crystals don't rely on belief, they work whether you have hi, lo, or no expectations. there are nights where i get little or no change in dreaming habits when ive used a crystal for a long time. my body has tuned into it over time, thats when i change it and enter a new experience. i dont always get notable results, but not all crystals are the same.

on again try it for yourself, empirically.

**TygrHawk** · 02-11-2005 06:40 PM

I'm open to experimentation; where would I get such a thing?

But remember, when you say you "know" it works from experience, all you know is that it works for you (not necessarily me), and for all you know it still could be a placebo effect.

**shel** · 02-11-2005 11:23 PM

it shouldnt be too hard to find a place in arizona that sells crystals or gemstones. doesnt arizona have a huge mineral museum? any metaphysical shop would also carry more common stones like amethyst or moonstone.

**Peregrinus** · 02-12-2005 08:07 AM

Originally posted by shel
At risk of repeating myself (newbie jitters) i like to work crystals into my dreaming techniques. i've read that emeralds, moonstones, and zircon are good for LD, but my attempts with moonstones have yet to yeild any results. i've also used amethyst, which i recommend highly even if just for a good nights sleep; amertrine, which i had my last LD experience with (they don't hold negative energy y'kno)

What's "negative energy"?

**sitboy** · 02-12-2005 08:46 AM

I would try it, but the cristals probly coast a lot. I wonder if a painted rock would work? If it is mind over matter then it might work. i am not that good at LD's because i dont like useing all of the diferancet ways, I guess i want a qick way to do it. That is why I just try to use HILD.

**Mickeys_Elbow** · 02-12-2005 08:54 AM

Originally posted by sitboy
I would try it, but the cristals probly coast a lot. I wonder if a painted rock would work?

If you believe it to be a mind over matter thing, then why go through the trouble of painting a rock? Just use any old rock, or even a sock for all it matters.

I will give crystals a test with my dreams. Many of my friends have given me crystals in the past telling me to use them/wear them etc. I just havn't given them any thought as far as dreaming goes.

**sitboy** · 02-12-2005 09:27 AM

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I would try it, but the cristals probly coast a lot. I wonder if a painted rock would work?

If you believe it to be a mind over matter thing, then why go through the trouble of painting a rock? Just use any old rock, or even a sock for all it matters.

I will give crystals a test with my dreams. Many of my friends have given me crystals in the past telling me to use them/wear them etc. I just havn't given them any thought as far as dreaming goes.[/b]

But painting a rock sounds fun. Besides it would give me a personal connection to them, they would be a part of me.

**sensi** · 02-12-2005 09:37 AM

ha ha paint a rock, that’s so funny and I say that with no disrespect sitboy it just made me laugh. For a small raw piece of crystal they can cost as little as $1. A small piece or tumbled stone can be very inexpensive, well in New Zealand anyway. They can be more expensive if what you want is rare etc. They all vary in price but something like an amethyst tumbled stone won’t set you back much at all.

Hey Peregrinus - Most crystals apparently hold certain types of energy and they pick up on your energy, other peoples etc so they need to be cleansed regularly, either by the ocean, moonlight, sun, white sage or being buried. You need to use different techniques for different ones as some can not be put in salt water etc. Some crystals do not hold any negative energy or absorb negative energy so they do not need to be cleansed. Well that’s searching back into my memory a bit I’m sure shel will be able to have a more in depth explanation for you.

Peace Sensi.

Edit - sorry sitboy you posted befor me, yes thats sounds good whatever works for you. Everything from mother nature holds energy and painting your own rock would put some of your energy into it too. Good luck but if its dosent work for you maybe try a crystal?

**shel** · 02-12-2005 04:27 PM

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amertrine, which i had my last LD experience with (they don't hold negative energy y'kno)

What's \"negative energy\"?[/b]

negative energy = faulty or degenerative thought patterns

in addition to sensi's explanation, quartz crystals like amethyst, clear quartz, citrine, or amertrine(a natural combination of amethyst and citrine) vibrate at higher frequencies that some other minerals. they are mostly silicon, but their chemical formation is a grid which can transfer energy very well. when you possess a crystal of any kind it enters into your vibrations. the interaction of those vibrations create a sympathetic resonance, like how a guitar string will cause the other strings to vibrate a little when plucked. if you have faulty thought patterns, which you dont even have to conscious of, it creates a sympathetic resonance within the crystal. a crystal will then have that vibration and may "go out of tune" to use the guitar analogy again.

it doesnt only have to be negative energy that is picked up. crystals can respond to any thoughts. you can "inspire" a crystal with good thoughts or specific programming. ive inspired different crystals to do different things, and they wont stop vibrating with that resonance until some changes it. they respond to all vibrations, and magnify them. you can use music, light, or your own thought. that is the dynamics of how crystals work. their vibratory field (aura) influences your vibratory field (aura), and in most cases vice versa.

FYI 1 - inspire - the root meaning is "to breathe life into"; common words: respiratory, spirit

FYI 2 - rubbing two natural quartz crystals together will cause them to glow. piezoelectric energy y'all

**Kaniaz** · 02-12-2005 05:55 PM

Originally posted by bradybaker
Preposterous.

**Peregrinus** · 02-12-2005 05:57 PM

How can a crystal absorb a "thought pattern"? The very fact that a crystal is a crystal necessitates it having a well defined "crystalline" lattice structure, so how is a thought pattern encoded within the lattice without changing the physical structure of the crystal itself? Also, what sort of energy is supposed to comprise thought patterns, and how does salt water, dirt, sunlight, and moonlight disrupt and "cleanse" that pattern?

Shel, when you rub two crystals together and see light, that's triboluminescence, not the piezoelectric effect. The piezoelectric effect is what makes quartz movement watches work-- when you subject a quartz crystal (and several other minerals) to mechanical stress, a small voltage is induced. This also works the other way: if you apply a voltage across the crystal, it will deform slightly. As far as triboluminescence goes, wint-o-green lifesavers are also triboluminescent. Take one into a dark room (a bathroom with no windows works well) and crunch it. 'Tis pretty.

**shel** · 02-12-2005 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Peregrinus
How can a crystal absorb a \"thought pattern\"? *The very fact that a crystal is a crystal necessitates it having a well defined \"crystalline\" lattice structure, so how is a thought pattern encoded within the lattice without changing the physical structure of the crystal itself? *Also, what sort of energy is supposed to comprise thought patterns, and how does salt water, dirt, sunlight, and moonlight disrupt and \"cleanse\" that pattern? *

Shel, when you rub two crystals together and see light, that's triboluminescence, not the piezoelectric effect.

^thank you for the correction^

brain waves are formed by mental activity(thoughts). brain waves resonate at a frequency. sympathetic resonance. there isnt any "encoding", per se. everything gives off a frequency of some sort, it may be as audible or inaudible sound, visible or invisible light, or whatever (entire galaxies give off frequencies). these frequencies are always being given off even when theyre not being received, like when you tune into a radio station. the station didnt start to broadcast just because you tuned into it. gravity cant be seen, but the effects of it can be felt. the gravity of the moon affects the oceans, but the earth has its own gravity thats still do its thing. thats sorta what sympathetic resonance is like. this happens on lesser scales too.

**Alex D** · 02-12-2005 10:05 PM

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Preposterous.

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Indeed, but whatever works for the person I guess, placebo's can be good.

**Peregrinus** · 02-12-2005 10:12 PM

Originally posted by shel
brain waves are formed by mental activity(thoughts). *brain waves resonate at a frequency. * sympathetic resonance. there isnt any \"encoding\", per se.

What are known as \"brain waves\" and measured with an EEG are not electromagnetic waves, but rather cycles and patterns of electrical activity in the brain. They are measured not with a PMT but with sensors that measure voltage differences across the brain. So do these patterns have a frequency? Yes, sort of, but it is far more complex than a simple sine wave-- the signals are \"dirty\" with complexities that are ignored when you hear someone speak of \"beta waves with such-and-such a frequency\".

Originally posted by Alex D
Indeed, but whatever works for the person I guess, placebo's can be good.

Sure, the placebo effect can be incredibly useful. It's helped me out several times, but what I have a problem with is when people start trying to explain the placebo effect as the result of some real physical phenomena using misunderstood scientific mechanisms.

**sensi** · 02-12-2005 11:12 PM

Ok put science to the side for one minute if you can? You could look at in the way that everything gives off energy. Some people you can be attracted to for no other reason than the energy that they give off, it draws you too them. Yes I’m sure I could give you 1000 psychological reasons why you 'could' be attracted to them but for me I do feel energy, I can feel a positive energy walk past me and a dark energy walk past me without even looking at the person. I know this is different from the crystal thing but what I’m trying to point out is that in my opinion everything gives off energy.

**shel** · 02-13-2005 12:48 AM

if you dont want to take my word for it, dont. im not about trying to prove anything to anyone. you can do some research yourself or an experiment if youre interested, or not.

and i still never said "absorb"

**sensi** · 02-13-2005 03:12 AM

Blame me i was the one who used the word absorb.

Peace Sensi.

Edit - to correct myself further I never said absorb 'thought pattern', I said absorb negative energy.

**shel** · 02-15-2005 12:15 AM

and i did say that "negative energy = faulty thought patterns", so i take responsibility too. however i would like to quote an excerpt from. . .

Originally posted by Robert A. Wilson's Quantum Psychology
General Semantics, the product of Polish-American engineer Alfred Korzybski, attempted to formulate a new non-Aristotelian logic to remove the \"essentialist\" or Aristotelian game-rules from our neurolinguistic reactions (speech and thinking) and re-align our brain software with the existentialist and phenomenological concepts of the above systems (ex. Existentialism, Phenomenological Sociology, Ethnomethodology, Pragmatism, Instrumentalism, Operationalism, and the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Physics) and especially quantum mechanics. *E-Prime (English without the word \"is\"), created by D. David Bourland, Jr., attempts to make the principles of General Semantics more efficient and easier to apply. . . *General Semantics has influenced recent psychology and social science greatly but has had little effect on physical sciences or education (italics mine) and virtually no effect on the problems it attemped to alleviate-- i.e., the omnipresence of unacknowledged bigotry and unconscious predjudice in most human evaluations.

i quote this with love in my heart