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      Can sleep paralysis be induced?

      There are soo many questions floating around out there in regards to sleep paralysis (SP)
      I have experianced this many times myself and have had to work on techniques to induce a lucid dream from that point.
      But SP has just happened under no control of my own. I just wake up that way.
      Is that so for everyone?

      The process in itself is an involuntary action so your body, while in a dream, does not act out the dream. Somtimes overlapping into concious state > SP. That is why I thought SP was involuntary as well.

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      Sometimes I wake up into it, usually when the dream I'm having has a jarring ending, Recently in many of my dreams I pass out and as soon as I hit the ground I'm awake in a SP state. You can also go into SP from waking, for me if I take a nap this happens everytime, just remain aware while your body falls asleep.

      But yeah everybody has it, and some people wake up during it.

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      Originally posted by fersteger
      Sometimes I wake up into it, usually when the dream I'm having has a jarring ending, Recently in many of my dreams I pass out and as soon as I hit the ground I'm awake in a SP state. You can also go into SP from waking, for me if I take a nap this happens everytime, just remain aware while your body falls asleep.

      But yeah everybody has it, and some people wake up during it.
      That does not mean it has been induced though.

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      I just took a 2 hr nap, didn't fall asleep, stayed aware and focused the whole time, and SP(I think) kicked in pretty strong. maybe it's not SP though cuz this happened the other day and I went into an OBE. Usually it takes time for me to feel SP, but when napping it just kicks in while I lay there. Body goes numb, then I hear a loud continuos sound (this time it was like a kid going WHhheee, was pretty funny), and get very intense vibrations in my chest. Which this time were so strong it pulled me right back to totally wakeful state.

      It feels the same as SP I feel during the night just very quick and forceful so maybe it's something different.

      So if this is SP I'm feeling then I say it can be induced. Not really called upon on command but it's like if you wait for it you will get it. Though if you concentrate on the sensations before you're paralyzed you can definitely control it, like make the waves of tingles (need a better word for this lol) go up and down your body and stuff and increase in intensity.

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      That is pretty cool fersteger. I wish I had that type of control.
      I have had those vibrations going into WILD before. But not opon waking up.

      When you say you took atwo hour napp & did not sleep???? It was more like meditation?

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      It's defintely possible to create an nice scenario for SP to occur (ie: meditate), but you defintely can't think "i will become paralyzed now". That's something I don't expect you can get with any amount of training, like thinking "i will make my brain see colourful pink pigs".

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      Wait, isn't SP caused by a part of the brain that you have no voluntary control over? Or are we just talking about increasing the chances of getting your body to do it?

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      Originally posted by Tornado Joe+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tornado Joe)</div>
      Wait, isn't SP caused by a part of the brain that you have no voluntary control over? *Or are we just talking about increasing the chances of getting your body to do it?
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      That is what I thought. And I agree with Kaniaz.

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      It's defintely possible to create an nice scenario for SP to occur (ie: meditate), but you defintely can't think \"i will become paralyzed now\". That's something I don't expect you can get with any amount of training, like thinking \"i will make my brain see colourful pink pigs\".
      However I do believe it possible to convince your brain to see pink pigs. Seriously. Because we go back to involuntary actions and premeditated responses.

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      I agree that it's involuntary. When you wake up with SP it's because of a timing problem between your brain recognizing you're awake and your system shutting off the SP. Going to sleep and experiencing SP is a matter of staying conscious until it hapens, but I don't think you induce it - it just happens naturally (to most people each and every time they dream).

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      Well, if you're really good at WILD, then you can kind of induce it. But you can't control exactly when...and it's never a sure-fire thing. I mean, you all know how hard WILDing can be. So for the most part it's just when you wake up, and you really don't ever have control...
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      Originally posted by Howetzer
      However I do believe it possible to convince your brain to see pink pigs. Seriously.
      Oh great. Now that's probably gonna be next month's lucid task.

      Wait. Aren't most pigs pink anyway?
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      Originally posted by TygrHawk+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TygrHawk)</div>
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      However I do believe it possible to convince your brain to see pink pigs. Seriously.
      Oh great. Now that's probably gonna be next month's lucid task.

      Wait. Aren't most pigs pink anyway?[/b]


      If pink is the same to you as it is me?????

      Lucid task for next month;
      Astral project on a colorful pink pig to a desired location.

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      Howetzer
      If pink is the same to you as it is me????? [/b]
      Oh, oh... I see this thread heading into the Extended Discussion forum....

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      here's something on sleep paralizes. it was just after new years, and I was gettign ready to go to work. and what I usually do to relax my self is the usual count to a hundread breathign in and out, while I repeat to myself dream to my self, but i was really relaxed, all of a sudden i started hearing buzzing. then I lost feelings on my legs, i was able to supress my exciement for a change. i struggled to keep counting, when i remembered blacking out, when I woke up I was completely paralyzed, and I knew it was sleep paralyzes cause the fear came just crawling in. I was tried to become lucid from there but I found myself getting control of my body. so maybe this is somethign that can shine some light in the discussion

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      Originally posted by DvDGuY
      here's something on sleep paralizes. it was just after new years, and I was gettign ready to go to work. and what I usually do to relax my self is the usual count to a hundread breathign in and out, while I repeat to myself dream to my self, but i was really relaxed, all of a sudden i started hearing buzzing. then I lost feelings on my legs, i was able to supress my exciement for a change. i struggled to keep counting, when i remembered blacking out, when I woke up I was completely paralyzed, and I knew it was sleep paralyzes cause the fear came just crawling in. *I was tried to become lucid from there but I found myself getting control of my body. *so maybe this is somethign that can shine some light in the discussion

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      Yes, but since SP still remains to be an involuntary and incinsistant action, I have not seen a credible arguement that it can be INDUCED.

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      When one feels SP coming on during the night you can definetly stop it, by moving or for me just concentrating, and the same way you can speed it up and kinda give it room to take over, which is kinda like having control over it.

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      Whenever I WILD I go through similar experiences as Fersteger, I start to hear HP sounds and and the buzzing and rushing of vibrations up and down my body, I can basically feel my astral body seperating from my actual one and I kinda rotate around in my bed, its really trippy and fun, this is all before I start to dream, so yeah its not induced, but I can definately control my "other" body while going into it. like i'm laying there, but i'm rotating my body 360 degrees around like a pig on a roast just floating in bed, I love it, and then once i'm done with the first wild, i wont wake up but return to sleep paralysis float around some more in bed and wait for my next dream scenario to present itself, I can have multiple wilds during the day while doing this, usually every sunday
      "You will cease to exist!!"

      *GASP* "But existing is all I practically do!!!"

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      Hey, monkeyelk, does it always feel the same for you, or is it different sometimes. Does it ever feel just like when your arm falls asleep or something. I feel that in my whole body but I don't know if that is SP or not, cuz when an arm falls asleep that's cuz the nerves are pinched right?

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      yeah, it is nothing close to the same feeling as when an arm or leg goes to sleep, thats just cause there is no blood getting to that part of the body cause you have been sleeping on it or shit. Its a buzzing "electric" feeling in waves going though my entire body at once along with sounds as if an airplane were taking off or the loud static of a T.V. when its those black n white ants, you know. Then after that I can start to feel my dream body seperating from my actual one and blah blah blah I explained it all in my previous post. You'll know the difference because you shouldn't be able to move while in SP, but if your arm is alseep its not a precursor to SP or anything.
      "You will cease to exist!!"

      *GASP* "But existing is all I practically do!!!"

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      Ok, cuz its weird a lot of times before SP sets in it feels the same as when an arm is asleep, After awhile though the real vibrations and sounds start, I guess it's just a different sensation or something.

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      well i assume everyone has different experiences while going into sleep paralysis.. it could be that since you are trying to WILD you probably aren't moving very much and your limbs are just falling asleep and then you do start SP. But hey, as long as you are successful it doesn't really matter all that much.
      "You will cease to exist!!"

      *GASP* "But existing is all I practically do!!!"

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      Take a bunch of Rosemary(the spice or the herb), that'll relax the digestive tract, when that relaxes, everything else relaxes. You gotta have imagination, meditate till it bores you or you finding yourself becoming really tired for no reason. Then lay down on your back, and try fantasizing something impossible, like maybe you're NEO in the Matrix and you're kicking agent's @sses. Sooner or later the imagination will cross over into the dream state. Right before it does you'll slightly blank out, then find yourself paralyzed, but you'll see everything. Concentrate on your 3rd eye area, you will feel the consciousness raising and collecting there. Then Concentrate on the top of the head, you'll feel a pop followed by bliss-waves radiating downwards. Focus on the ceiling and think to yourself, "I'm being abducted by aliens!". Slowly you will raise to the ceiling and pass thru. Then go where ever you want to.

      Take Rosemary extract(475 mg)and apply Uddiyana Bandha, and you'll get paralysis.
      It is a fundamental technique, used for increasing the sexual energy and for conducing it to the superior levels of our being: will, affection, intuition, mental and spiritual level. It stimulates the will, the courage, self-confidence; it gives you lucidity and calmness.

      Bandhas are energetic locks that contain the prana in the torso and concentrate it in the three main energy channels (nadis) of the body. Bandhas can be performed in a physical and external manner engaging the skeletal muscles; it can also be felt as a subtle and internal energetic process. Bandhas are practiced individually at first, and then they can be incorporated with asanas, pranayamas and eventually mudras.

      To practice Uddiyana Bandha, come into a comfortable siddhasana or sukhasana cross-legged seated position with the palms facing down on top of the knees. Let the eyes softly close and the breath slow and deepen. Quickly exhale all of the breath out through the nose, lean forward, press the palms into the knees, and engage the abdominal muscles to strongly pull the belly in and up under the ribcage. Hold the breath as you hold the abdominal lock for as long as comfortable. To release, soften the abdominal muscles, lean back and very slowly take a breath in through the nose. Take a few slow deep breaths in and out and let your breath return to normal before practicing additional rounds. Begin with practicing three rounds and you can slowly increase it to up to ten rounds over time.

      Uddiyana Bandha strengthens the digestive fire and tonifies the body's energetic core. The abdominal organs are massaged, toned and purified and the adrenal glands are balanced by the abdominal contraction. Uddiyana Bandha is contraindicated in high blood pressure, heart disease, glaucoma, and pregnancy.

      To increase the benefits of Uddiyana Bandha it can be combined with Nauli shatkarma. Uddiyana Bandha is also be combined with Mula and Jalandhara Bandas to create the great lock, Maha Bandha.
      http://www.sivasakti.com/articles/yoga/del...anas-art07.html ,
      http://www.santosha.com/philosophy/hathayo...a-chapter3.html
      The Uddiyana Bandha.
      54. Uddiyana is so called by the Yogis, because by its practice the Prana (vayu), flies (flows) in the Susumna.
      55. Uddiyana is so called, because the great bird, Prana, tied to it, flies without being fatigued. It is explained below.
      56. The belly above the navel is pressed backwards towards the spine. This Uddiyana Bandha is like a lion for the elephant of death.
      57. Uddiyana is always very easy, when learnt from a guru. The practiser of this, if old, becomes young again.
      58. The portions above and below the navel, should be drawn backwards towards the spine. By practicing this for six months one can undoubtedly conquer death.
      59. Of all the Bandhas, Uddiyana is the best; for by binding it firmly liberation comes spontaneously.

      There's nothing weird about Uddiyana Bandha, if you have a shirt on no one will see it being performed. It's like releasing a "silent but deadly fart", except here there is no smell. There will be no suspicion because they can't see it. So, just do it.

      Uddiyana Bandha puts pressure on the liver, in a sense it sponges out the bad stuff, this technique acts as fast detox method which is why it will allow a person to live a long time. Also, the liver holds a large amout of iron in it, when sponged properly the iron enters the bloodstream and the circulation of it mixed with the body's natural bio-magnetism increases the magnetic field of the body, which increases higher brain output or psychic phenomena.

      The bliss-waves are brainwaves travelling thru the entire nervous system when the body is in a state of paralysis due to disassociation of the brain and body to prevent acting out dream scenarios while sleeping. So if you're fighting the devil in your dream, you won't be kicking the crap out of your lover. The reason people notice them is because of light sleep, between sleeping and waking, they're accessing the subtle movements of the subtle body, which functions below our conscious mind in the subconscious dream mind.

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      i've been having problems doing WILDs recently.

      i can get into the stage where my body is buzzing, and i'm hearing very loud rushing sounds. this seems to come on nearly instantly, but damned if i can get any imagery going lately, or even drift off into sleep. i think i'm hanging on to consciousness too tightly.

      but anyway, last time i was in this state (i can only get into it in early morning or afternoon naps), i tried to see if i could move my body, and sure enough - i could move everything. moving would make the sensations subside, but they'd come back seconds later.

      so i'm wondering if this state really is SP, or if its something quite different .

      i got bored and aborted it, and returning to usual consciousness felt _exactly_ like snapping out of a lucid dream.

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