and, do your WILD after at least 5 hours sleep, not at bedtime. In case that wasn't clear.
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and, do your WILD after at least 5 hours sleep, not at bedtime. In case that wasn't clear.
I get vibrations and sometimes it feels like my arms are in a completely different place than where they actually are. :3 I have yet to do RC's after they stop, however.
Are naps in the afternoon a good time?Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
^^ It's better to do a WBTB 5 hours or so into your regular sleep cycle (aka, your normal niight's sleep), when your REM periods are coming in on schedule, but:
It seems that when you take naps outside of your sleep schedule, you do have a tendency to slip right into REM, so napping and WILD do indeed seem to nicely coincide... In other words, attempting a WILD during a nap is not a bad idea!
Ah, I could have sworn I read somewhere naps were a decent time. I appreciate the response!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
I just need to manage to stay awake and not fall asleep next time, haha. I did get myself a nice restful nap, though, I guess. ;)
^^ What you read was correct: as I noted in my post, attempting a WILD during a nap is a fine idea. So, though WBTB might prove more productive, naps are certainly a decent time to WILD.
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Originally Posted by Buckey
Hi. I am not meaning to confuse you, but do not go into WILD thinking you stay awake. You go into sleep conciously. It is hard to understand at first, but it is very different from not falling asleep. You do fall asleep, just with a twist. Good luck.
Sorry, I didn't mean to word in like that. I am trying to fall asleep but maintain that level of consciousness I need.Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
But when I repeat my mantra in my head and try to maintain that consciousness, it seems to make me stay awake.
Hey,first of all,an awesome guide,helped a lot!
So,i kinda had a 6 hr sleep and woke up around 5 in the morning.decided to do WILD.
I performed all the steps,yet i could not just get it right this time,i guess. Maybe i was too concious ?
Though,while trying it at afternoon,the same day, at a point i felt swig,swaying and rolling, and i came to know it could be a transition,also had a little headache.
Hehe,would be cool if you could help me deal with it :3
Thanks!
Im a bit confused when you say to WILD before your rem begins do I stay up till my rem begins or set an alarm before ?
Can you quote what comment you are referring too?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedreamer
I think he had a same question with me. I meant , the best for WILD method shd using WBTB ? coz according the first post, we cant use WILD for the start for our sleeping, since it shd used when we in REM state. Is that right? What if i wont use WBTB ? Do i still can use WILD??Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
WILD at bedtime (no WBTB) requires way more skill and perhaps the ability to enter into a trance like meditation state, and even then may not work. It can work, but can also just tire you out to no end.
You can set an alarm to do your WILDs after getting at least 5 hours sleep. The more, the better, as long as you will still be able to sleep. If you easily sleep 10 hours, then WBTB at 8 hours would be good. If you only sleep 8, than perhaps at 6 hours. You need to play with it and find your own best timing.
oooh ic. Noted that. I will try DILD method first before WILD. Coz i think DILD is looks easier (maybe). I just curious with WILD , coz i had SP very often when i was kid n teenager. Will try it when i have succeed with DILD. Thx btw
I think that is true and starting with DILD makes good sense. Nothing about WILD causes SP, but if it already was an issue WILD may make you more likely to notice an episode of it. However, you will be conscious and aware to a much higher level, so if you just do not try to move and relax you may even enjoy the experience and not be afraid. Instead of trying to move, just keep your eyes closed and keep watching for a dream to form, keep doing your anchor and so on.
Sorry for kind of digging up this thread, but I'm a beginner when it comes to WILD's and have a question; What exactly is the difference between DEILD and WILD if you set an alarm clock to wake you up?
Thanks.
With WILD you're starting from a fully awake state. With DEILD (which is a sort of "shortcut WILD"), your mind & body are still mostly asleep, and you're just drifting off back into a dream. If after emerging from a dream (whether naturally or due to an alarm) you keep your mind in a very quiet dreamy/drowsy state, just lightly considering the dream you woke from (which is harder to do with an alarm) and allow yourself to drift off back to sleep and manage to enter a new dream lucidly, that's a DEILD. DEILDs usually happen fairly quickly (within seconds potentially, perhaps up to a minute or two). If you're still awake after more than a few minutes the window of opportunity for a DEILD has probably passed, and you're facing the task of returning your body and mind to sleep from a more fully wakened state, which would be termed a WILD.
People sometimes place too much emphasis on the terms ("was this a WILD? A DEILD? A DILD?"): the terms are not really important: understanding the various circumstances and opportunities to enter the dream state is much more important. The terms do help to summarize the differences between the scenarios, though.
But WILDs would be possible after being awake longer? So if you set your alarm clock at let's say 5 'o clock and then you wake up and you should first try a DEILD, and if you accidentally move too much, you should go over to "WILDing"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
Also, isn't it true that DILD and WILD are actually types of lucid dreams, and thus in their case the ILD means "Induced Lucid Dream", while DEILD, WBTB (being a non ILD), VILD, MILD and some others are actually techniques, hence their ILD means "Induction of Lucid Dreaming"?
^^ I know you addressed these to FryingMan, and his answer will probably be enough, but here are a couple of thoughts you might consider:
First, I believe that it would be very difficult to impossible to DEILD from an alarm clock; the alarm simply wakes you up too much, and separates you from the dream you were just in. In a sense, using an alarm tends to negate the possibility to DEILD, because it erases the dreamy mindset you must have in order to go immediately back to sleep and return to your dream.
For that matter, in my opinion it is best to avoid using an alarm for WILD as well, also because the alarm can trigger too many of your brain's "wake-up" circuits and thus reduce your chance of maintaining a dreamy state during WBTB.
Also:
No, it isn't true; not completely, anyway.Quote:
isn't it true that DILD and WILD are actually types of lucid dreams, and thus in their case the ILD means "Induced Lucid Dream", while DEILD, WBTB (being a non ILD), VILD, MILD and some others are actually techniques, hence their ILD means "Induction of Lucid Dreaming"?
DEILD is actually a form of WILD, and, with DILD, all three are the names given to the two possible transitions to a LD. In other words, they are terms used to describe how your LD started: WILD/DEILD represent the transition from wake to sleep to dream without losing waking-life self-awareness, while DILD represents the transition from non-lucidity to lucidity during the dream. The "I" in all three, BTW, stands for "Initiated," and not "Induced:"
WILD = Wake Initiated Lucid Dream
DEILD = Dream Exit Initiated Lucid dream
DILD = Dream Initiated Lucid Dream
So: yes, they are all types of LD's (or at least how the LD originated), but DEILD is a form of WILD, and none are induced, but rather initiated.
The other major or original "ILD" (from LaBerge's work), MILD, is the only one where the "I" does stand for "Induced:"
MILD = Mnemonically Induced Lucid Dream
And, though it has that "ILD" in it, MILD is a technique, and not transition descriptor.
Finally, as you've already guessed by now, DEILD is not a technique, but the name for the transition itself.
Ok. I think I understand, sorry that I'm a beginner. I understand now that these are mostly transition descriptors. If I understand the rest correctly;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
For WILD you don't specially need a dreamy state, but you need to be in a REM cycle (hence you can do it during an afternoon nap), and DEILD is a shortcut for when you ARE in a very dreamy state and can recall the dream you just had. This needs to be done when you wake from a dream. So I could maybe wake up with a soft tune. DEILD essentially is just the end of WILD, you're already in a dreamy state, while with full WILD you first obtain the dreamy state and then follow kind of the same as a DEILD procedure.
The thing is that I want to have a dream with a good amount of lucidity, so I want to have a LD from wake state, and I also want my friend to have one who has only got one LD before but is getting into it more. So final question, and sorry for going offtopic this much,
Can me and my friend set an app on our phone that needs no snoozing and goes off by itself to play a soft tune at around 5 hours of sleep and then use DEILD to get into our dream? Or is it necessary for us to wake ourselves up?
Thanks
Hi. First do not think I am disagreeing with Sageous, but one of my main techniques is something I have been calling 'alarm DEILD' or 'snooze DEILD' and it works well. He is correct in the way of a normal ringing alarm bell and having to get up to turn it off. What I use is different though. I have an I-Phone and the standard clock feature has choices for sounds, some are very gentle (Silk, and Crystal are ones I like). It also can be put into snooze mode for 9 minutes by pressing one of the volume tabs on the side. I keep the phone in the bed in the place my hand is normally. When the soft sound wakes me, I remain still and do not allow my brain to engage much. I press the button, and keep my hand lightly on the phone, so at the snooze alarm, my hand does not eevn need to move. This way you can attempt DEILD over and over until you get bored or have to get up. The one limit is you may interrupt LDs with the snooze, but it is worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stenl38
Thank you all!Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
I am glad it is indeed possible, and am also glad Sageous and you helped me. I assume I can install an app to just go off once instead of every 9 minutes. I won't get bored the first couple of times I think!
Also, tomorrow I have 2 weeks holiday so no need to get up per se.
Note that sivason (if I recall correctly) took a long time (years?) to perfect his alarm-DEILD approach and to find the perfectly tuned alarm. So yes it's great news that such a thing is possible, just don't get quickly frustrated, it may take quite a while to get it to work just the right way for you. The key is to keep good records of your experiments, and to keep trying.
My leg automaticly moves for a second when im trying to sleep, kind of like a reflex. Any tips for this if I want to try WILD?
Best advice is ignore it and don't worry about it. The holding still thing is a myth.