I get vibrations and sometimes it feels like my arms are in a completely different place than where they actually are. :3 I have yet to do RC's after they stop, however. |
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and, do your WILD after at least 5 hours sleep, not at bedtime. In case that wasn't clear. |
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I get vibrations and sometimes it feels like my arms are in a completely different place than where they actually are. :3 I have yet to do RC's after they stop, however. |
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^^ It's better to do a WBTB 5 hours or so into your regular sleep cycle (aka, your normal niight's sleep), when your REM periods are coming in on schedule, but: |
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^^ What you read was correct: as I noted in my post, attempting a WILD during a nap is a fine idea. So, though WBTB might prove more productive, naps are certainly a decent time to WILD. |
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Hey,first of all,an awesome guide,helped a lot! |
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Im a bit confused when you say to WILD before your rem begins do I stay up till my rem begins or set an alarm before ? |
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I think he had a same question with me. I meant , the best for WILD method shd using WBTB ? coz according the first post, we cant use WILD for the start for our sleeping, since it shd used when we in REM state. Is that right? What if i wont use WBTB ? Do i still can use WILD?? |
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WILD at bedtime (no WBTB) requires way more skill and perhaps the ability to enter into a trance like meditation state, and even then may not work. It can work, but can also just tire you out to no end. |
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oooh ic. Noted that. I will try DILD method first before WILD. Coz i think DILD is looks easier (maybe). I just curious with WILD , coz i had SP very often when i was kid n teenager. Will try it when i have succeed with DILD. Thx btw |
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I think that is true and starting with DILD makes good sense. Nothing about WILD causes SP, but if it already was an issue WILD may make you more likely to notice an episode of it. However, you will be conscious and aware to a much higher level, so if you just do not try to move and relax you may even enjoy the experience and not be afraid. Instead of trying to move, just keep your eyes closed and keep watching for a dream to form, keep doing your anchor and so on. |
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Sorry for kind of digging up this thread, but I'm a beginner when it comes to WILD's and have a question; What exactly is the difference between DEILD and WILD if you set an alarm clock to wake you up? |
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With WILD you're starting from a fully awake state. With DEILD (which is a sort of "shortcut WILD"), your mind & body are still mostly asleep, and you're just drifting off back into a dream. If after emerging from a dream (whether naturally or due to an alarm) you keep your mind in a very quiet dreamy/drowsy state, just lightly considering the dream you woke from (which is harder to do with an alarm) and allow yourself to drift off back to sleep and manage to enter a new dream lucidly, that's a DEILD. DEILDs usually happen fairly quickly (within seconds potentially, perhaps up to a minute or two). If you're still awake after more than a few minutes the window of opportunity for a DEILD has probably passed, and you're facing the task of returning your body and mind to sleep from a more fully wakened state, which would be termed a WILD. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
But WILDs would be possible after being awake longer? So if you set your alarm clock at let's say 5 'o clock and then you wake up and you should first try a DEILD, and if you accidentally move too much, you should go over to "WILDing"? |
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^^ I know you addressed these to FryingMan, and his answer will probably be enough, but here are a couple of thoughts you might consider: |
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Last edited by Sageous; 04-23-2015 at 05:07 PM.
Ok. I think I understand, sorry that I'm a beginner. I understand now that these are mostly transition descriptors. If I understand the rest correctly; |
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Hi. First do not think I am disagreeing with Sageous, but one of my main techniques is something I have been calling 'alarm DEILD' or 'snooze DEILD' and it works well. He is correct in the way of a normal ringing alarm bell and having to get up to turn it off. What I use is different though. I have an I-Phone and the standard clock feature has choices for sounds, some are very gentle (Silk, and Crystal are ones I like). It also can be put into snooze mode for 9 minutes by pressing one of the volume tabs on the side. I keep the phone in the bed in the place my hand is normally. When the soft sound wakes me, I remain still and do not allow my brain to engage much. I press the button, and keep my hand lightly on the phone, so at the snooze alarm, my hand does not eevn need to move. This way you can attempt DEILD over and over until you get bored or have to get up. The one limit is you may interrupt LDs with the snooze, but it is worth it. |
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Thank you all! |
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Note that sivason (if I recall correctly) took a long time (years?) to perfect his alarm-DEILD approach and to find the perfectly tuned alarm. So yes it's great news that such a thing is possible, just don't get quickly frustrated, it may take quite a while to get it to work just the right way for you. The key is to keep good records of your experiments, and to keep trying. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
My leg automaticly moves for a second when im trying to sleep, kind of like a reflex. Any tips for this if I want to try WILD? |
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Best advice is ignore it and don't worry about it. The holding still thing is a myth. |
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