Thread: WILD - Wake Initiated Lucid Dream

^^ I know you addressed these to FryingMan, and his answer will probably be enough, but here are a couple of thoughts you might consider:

First, I believe that it would be very difficult to impossible to DEILD from an alarm clock; the alarm simply wakes you up too much, and separates you from the dream you were just in. In a sense, using an alarm tends to negate the possibility to DEILD, because it erases the dreamy mindset you must have in order to go immediately back to sleep and return to your dream.

For that matter, in my opinion it is best to avoid using an alarm for WILD as well, also because the alarm can trigger too many of your brain's "wake-up" circuits and thus reduce your chance of maintaining a dreamy state during WBTB.

Also:

isn't it true that DILD and WILD are actually types of lucid dreams, and thus in their case the ILD means "Induced Lucid Dream", while DEILD, WBTB (being a non ILD), VILD, MILD and some others are actually techniques, hence their ILD means "Induction of Lucid Dreaming"?

No, it isn't true; not completely, anyway.

DEILD is actually a form of WILD, and, with DILD, all three are the names given to the two possible transitions to a LD. In other words, they are terms used to describe how your LD started: WILD/DEILD represent the transition from wake to sleep to dream without losing waking-life self-awareness, while DILD represents the transition from non-lucidity to lucidity during the dream. The "I" in all three, BTW, stands for "Initiated," and not "Induced:"

WILD = Wake Initiated Lucid Dream
DEILD = Dream Exit Initiated Lucid dream
DILD = Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

So: yes, they are all types of LD's (or at least how the LD originated), but DEILD is a form of WILD, and none are induced, but rather initiated.

The other major or original "ILD" (from LaBerge's work), MILD, is the only one where the "I" does stand for "Induced:"

MILD = Mnemonically Induced Lucid Dream

And, though it has that "ILD" in it, MILD is a technique, and not transition descriptor.

Finally, as you've already guessed by now, DEILD is not a technique, but the name for the transition itself.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ I know you addressed these to FryingMan, and his answer will probably be enough, but here are a couple of thoughts you might consider:

First, I believe that it would be very difficult to impossible to DEILD from an alarm clock; the alarm simply wakes you up too much, and separates you from the dream you were just in. In a sense, using an alarm tends to negate the possibility to DEILD, because it erases the dreamy mindset you must have in order to go immediately back to sleep and return to your dream.

For that matter, in my opinion it is best to avoid using an alarm for WILD as well, also because the alarm can trigger too many of your brain's "wake-up" circuits and thus reduce your chance of maintaining a dreamy state during WBTB.

Also:



No, it isn't true; not completely, anyway.

DEILD is actually a form of WILD, and, with DILD, all three are the names given to the two possible transitions to a LD. In other words, they are terms used to describe how your LD started: WILD/DEILD represent the transition from wake to sleep to dream without losing waking-life self-awareness, while DILD represents the transition from non-lucidity to lucidity during the dream. The "I" in all three, BTW, stands for "Initiated," and not "Induced:"

WILD = Wake Initiated Lucid Dream
DEILD = Dream Exit Initiated Lucid dream
DILD = Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

So: yes, they are all types of LD's (or at least how the LD originated), but DEILD is a form of WILD, and none are induced, but rather initiated.

The other major or original "ILD" (from LaBerge's work), MILD, is the only one where the "I" does stand for "Induced:"

MILD = Mnemonically Induced Lucid Dream

And, though it has that "ILD" in it, MILD is a technique, and not transition descriptor.

Finally, as you've already guessed by now, DEILD is not a technique, but the name for the transition itself.

Ok. I think I understand, sorry that I'm a beginner. I understand now that these are mostly transition descriptors. If I understand the rest correctly;
For WILD you don't specially need a dreamy state, but you need to be in a REM cycle (hence you can do it during an afternoon nap), and DEILD is a shortcut for when you ARE in a very dreamy state and can recall the dream you just had. This needs to be done when you wake from a dream. So I could maybe wake up with a soft tune. DEILD essentially is just the end of WILD, you're already in a dreamy state, while with full WILD you first obtain the dreamy state and then follow kind of the same as a DEILD procedure.

The thing is that I want to have a dream with a good amount of lucidity, so I want to have a LD from wake state, and I also want my friend to have one who has only got one LD before but is getting into it more. So final question, and sorry for going offtopic this much,
Can me and my friend set an app on our phone that needs no snoozing and goes off by itself to play a soft tune at around 5 hours of sleep and then use DEILD to get into our dream? Or is it necessary for us to wake ourselves up?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Stenl38

Ok. I think I understand, sorry that I'm a beginner. I understand now that these are mostly transition descriptors. If I understand the rest correctly;
For WILD you don't specially need a dreamy state, but you need to be in a REM cycle (hence you can do it during an afternoon nap), and DEILD is a shortcut for when you ARE in a very dreamy state and can recall the dream you just had. This needs to be done when you wake from a dream. So I could maybe wake up with a soft tune. DEILD essentially is just the end of WILD, you're already in a dreamy state, while with full WILD you first obtain the dreamy state and then follow kind of the same as a DEILD procedure.

The thing is that I want to have a dream with a good amount of lucidity, so I want to have a LD from wake state, and I also want my friend to have one who has only got one LD before but is getting into it more. So final question, and sorry for going offtopic this much,
Can me and my friend set an app on our phone that needs no snoozing and goes off by itself to play a soft tune at around 5 hours of sleep and then use DEILD to get into our dream? Or is it necessary for us to wake ourselves up?

Thanks

Hi. First do not think I am disagreeing with Sageous, but one of my main techniques is something I have been calling 'alarm DEILD' or 'snooze DEILD' and it works well. He is correct in the way of a normal ringing alarm bell and having to get up to turn it off. What I use is different though. I have an I-Phone and the standard clock feature has choices for sounds, some are very gentle (Silk, and Crystal are ones I like). It also can be put into snooze mode for 9 minutes by pressing one of the volume tabs on the side. I keep the phone in the bed in the place my hand is normally. When the soft sound wakes me, I remain still and do not allow my brain to engage much. I press the button, and keep my hand lightly on the phone, so at the snooze alarm, my hand does not eevn need to move. This way you can attempt DEILD over and over until you get bored or have to get up. The one limit is you may interrupt LDs with the snooze, but it is worth it.

Originally Posted by sivason

Hi. First do not think I am disagreeing with Sageous, but one of my main techniques is something I have been calling 'alarm DEILD' or 'snooze DEILD' and it works well. He is correct in the way of a normal ringing alarm bell and having to get up to turn it off. What I use is different though. I have an I-Phone and the standard clock feature has choices for sounds, some are very gentle (Silk, and Crystal are ones I like). It also can be put into snooze mode for 9 minutes by pressing one of the volume tabs on the side. I keep the phone in the bed in the place my hand is normally. When the soft sound wakes me, I remain still and do not allow my brain to engage much. I press the button, and keep my hand lightly on the phone, so at the snooze alarm, my hand does not eevn need to move. This way you can attempt DEILD over and over until you get bored or have to get up. The one limit is you may interrupt LDs with the snooze, but it is worth it.

Thank you all!

I am glad it is indeed possible, and am also glad Sageous and you helped me. I assume I can install an app to just go off once instead of every 9 minutes. I won't get bored the first couple of times I think!

Also, tomorrow I have 2 weeks holiday so no need to get up per se.