Yuppie's DEILD guide - The easiest way to lucid dream.

Hey guys, what up? Sorry about the late replies, I've been dealing with school work (1000 word assignments, OMG :( and work.
Anywhore, let's get to it.
Triforce - Nice job bro, I'll get to it eventually :)
Enak - Great progress man! Yeah, that souunds like a good idea :) Sounds like a matter of time before you get it!
Benzoe - Yes and no. I mean the transition between waking and sleep is normally so fast, it's unlikely to experience any of this. however it is not unheard o, and a fair few people have experienced this. I myself, have had HH's once or twice, although generally I do not experience them.
Azul - Kay man :) Tell me how it goes
landofmanytres- good for you.
triforce (again) - Hahahhaa, that's some weird shit man! By the way, don't fight sleep paralysis, go with it. It will help! :)
It's a cool experience, right? Like I tell most people :)
I couldn't really say, I think the only person who could answer that would be you, you know what I mean? Please do continue to report on what happens with that! :D

Sorry once again guys, hope you's understand. Sorry for the slack replies and bad wording. Anyway, back to my english assignment D:

Had another SP experience the night after but still not sure if real or dream. There were signs of it being a dream but a lot of signs of it being real too. I don't know. It wasn't scary at all though.

But what I did manage to finally do last night is... DEILD! That's right, I did it. Unfortunately I screwed myself over afterwards. Let me explain...


In a dream I was at the Spirit Temple from Zelda (I have plenty of Zelda dreams). Then I found myself and a few brothers of mine looking for Chuck Norris' house which was supposed to be a cave underneath sand. After a while we found him living in housing commission in the middle of the desert. So we entered the house and talked for a bit. I was making myself a Subway sandwich when I spot this girl from real life. At this point I know I'm dreaming but am more worried about this girl. I'm feeling a little depressed because I think she doesn't really want to talk to me, but I eventually call her over. I'm just hoping my sub-conscious lets her come over and not run away. Fortunately she comes over and starts chatting.

She gives me a big bottle of milk to go with my sandwich and starts telling me about her day at work. She tells me she only got 40 cents for a whole day's work, and a cent. I continue the convo by telling her we don't have 40 or 1 cent coins in Australia (she was somehow American in my dream rather than Australian). By this time though my vision was black and I was 80% awake. I was fully aware of this but continued to talk because I just didn't want to wake up. I must have DEILDed then because I suddenly found myself back in the dream but she was gone. I still had the milk she gave me but I felt sad. Then the dream skipped and I was unlucid in my home, sipping on the bottle of milk I had. I was waiting for a Razer Naga mouse to be delivered to my house (am in real life too) and checked the time to get an idea of how long the postie would be. Except the time said 5 AM. I remembered waking up for real at about 8 AM and falling back asleep so I knew something was up, especially when I saw 3 of those thin second-hands going backwards...

At this point I flew into a frenzy, jumping and throwing myself around like an absolute maniac while screaming "I'M LUCID DREAMING!!!1!!1!" and stuff like that. Seriously, it was ridiculous. But for some reason I felt scared, like the dream was going to turn into a nightmare, so guess what? I tried to wake myself up. Then I had a False Awakening but picked up on it almost immediately, but my troll brain said something like "This is how nightmares often begin", referring to the fact that I was still dreaming when I tried to wake myself up. So despite nothing scary happening I woke myself up for real. So after finally DEILDing, I get scared of absolutely nothing and wake myself up? Am I kidding me? Can anyone really be that stupid? Apparently I can.

Oh well... at least I've done it, now it should be even easier next time. And another Lucid Dream is never a bad thing. More Lucids mean a higher chance of becoming Lucid next time too. I've been getting lucky with spontaneous Lucids lately, and I haven't even been trying any techniques at all. Just gotta keep calm next time I guess. None of my LD or SPs have been scary so I don't know why I freaked out so much. I've always been very calm in my other dreams to the point where I'd gladly kick any scary thing's ass with no worries.

Woooooooooooooooh! Yeah dude! :D
Tell everyone how easy it is, right?! :)
I'm so happy for you!!!!

Yeah it's really quite easy, especially if you're having a good dream that you really want to go bank into. It's the perfect technique really. I'd imagine it'd be super easy to chain dreams using it too.

Had another case of unknown SP last night. I'm pretty sure it was real. I woke up through the night, sat up, looked around then went back to sleep. Then I woke up and did the same again, only this time it was morning which is about right. Then I laid back down and I felt kind of... dreamy? Kind of like I was in the state of mind to just go right back to sleep. While I was laying there I decided to try hanging onto consciousness to enter SP and it worked very quickly. Had the sensation of spinning left again, then stopped and felt really heavy which I tried to imagine myself falling through a portal of some sort to a dream world to enter a LD. Anyway, I tried to imagine a few landscapes that didn't work properly then I tried to picture myself in my house like I was in my previous dream, although I only got a clear black and white image of the floor at the side of my bed which is where it felt like I ended up after spinning 'round. I could hear my curtains flapping about like the were in real life which might hint to it being real, maybe. Anyway I went straight into a False Awakening after that. I slid off my bed like a walrus (lol) and done a failed RC and thought I just failed at entering a LD, then I woke up for real.

Excuse that wall of text. Anyway I guess the question here is... Is it possible to quickly fall into SP even after moving around and opening your eyes if you tried hard enough?

"I slid off my bed like a walrus"
Hahahahahahah!
Yeah, I don't see why not. I mean, sleep paralysis isn't really primarily being about your being tired.
Yes, it's quite possible, however, go with the sleep paralysis, they're welcomed in most guides, they're generally the onset of a lucid dream. DEILD is no exception.

I got my first chance to try DEILD'n last night. I woke up and surprisingly had no problems keeping my eyes closed. It wasn't that i regained consciousness that made me realize i had, but the breakdown of a dream i was currently in. It was a non-lucid dream, yet i felt myself waking up and understood the implications. This led me to try and fall back in without moving anything, even my eyelids! However, this is where the dilemma struck. I fell back unconscious before even a single minute had passed. I was well aware that i was awake, yet i fell back in too quick. I've only had a single successful WILD, but i prefer to remain awake for longer when i attempt it - to reaffirm my awareness and keep my thoughts tight. I believe this can work, but it seems like i'd have to fight for my awareness much harder than i expected to. Any tips on keeping your thoughts in check in such a dramatic moment?

thanks in advanced, listener.

Master Yuppie, I come seeking but a fraction of your great and infinite wisdom...

I entered SP again, but this time it was definitely real. It also felt like the others so they may have been real too. Unfortunately no Lucid Dream, but I just need some practice. Again I didn't stay still after waking up, I moved a little naturally. Then I even moved a bit on more purpose to see if I could still DEILD (or Ultra-fast WILD). And in no longer than 10 seconds I was in SP. Damn I'm good :P

But anyway, yeah, that happened. I was a little worried about going into it, but I took the plunge and just did it. It's really not that bad once you're in. I just thought "If I can enter a dream successfully I can tell Yuppie I did it!" :P It felt kinda funny cause it felt like I was trying to curl up like a cat, but I just went with it and tried to somehow amplify that feeling to induce a dream. I couldn't decide if I should try to reenter my previous dream or make a new one. My previous dream wasn't BAD but it seemed like the kind of dream I'd get stuck in the whole time doing boring stuff if I failed to change the scene. I decided to let my mind make up a scene and just go from there. My mind ended up choosing the scene "Hell" so I got really scared and woke myself up and I'm never going to try luciding again. Nah just kidding, I just woke up after that. No dream :(

I guess with time and practice I will get better. But do you have any advice in the meantime? (like what to imagine etc.) Seems like DEILDs can sometimes work for me even after moving quite a bit, and that's definitely a blessing I want to take full advantage of.

Also something interesting: I tried but failed to hold my breath while in SP (I tried as an experiment to see if it would wake me up). I just couldn't fully block my breathing. I could slow down but the urge to start breathing again was extra strong. Must be some sort of mechanism to make sure you don't forget to breath while sleeping I guess.

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Originally Posted by lucidlistener

I got my first chance to try DEILD'n last night. I woke up and surprisingly had no problems keeping my eyes closed. It wasn't that i regained consciousness that made me realize i had, but the breakdown of a dream i was currently in. It was a non-lucid dream, yet i felt myself waking up and understood the implications. This led me to try and fall back in without moving anything, even my eyelids! However, this is where the dilemma struck. I fell back unconscious before even a single minute had passed. I was well aware that i was awake, yet i fell back in too quick. I've only had a single successful WILD, but i prefer to remain awake for longer when i attempt it - to reaffirm my awareness and keep my thoughts tight. I believe this can work, but it seems like i'd have to fight for my awareness much harder than i expected to. Any tips on keeping your thoughts in check in such a dramatic moment?

thanks in advanced, listener.

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Hey man, I'm glad you're trying out DEILD.
Yeah, that's the aspect of DEILD I struggled most with. I think the most important thing is preparing before hand. Have a little mental talk with yourself, about trusting your ability to remain aware. It'll work wonders for you. I also recommend you give a mantra a go. Try; "I will stay calm, when excited" or just "I will stay calm, when needed"

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Originally Posted by Triforce

Master Yuppie, I come seeking but a fraction of your great and infinite wisdom...

I entered SP again, but this time it was definitely real. It also felt like the others so they may have been real too. Unfortunately no Lucid Dream, but I just need some practice. Again I didn't stay still after waking up, I moved a little naturally. Then I even moved a bit on more purpose to see if I could still DEILD (or Ultra-fast WILD). And in no longer than 10 seconds I was in SP. Damn I'm good :P

But anyway, yeah, that happened. I was a little worried about going into it, but I took the plunge and just did it. It's really not that bad once you're in. I just thought "If I can enter a dream successfully I can tell Yuppie I did it!" :P It felt kinda funny cause it felt like I was trying to curl up like a cat, but I just went with it and tried to somehow amplify that feeling to induce a dream. I couldn't decide if I should try to reenter my previous dream or make a new one. My previous dream wasn't BAD but it seemed like the kind of dream I'd get stuck in the whole time doing boring stuff if I failed to change the scene. I decided to let my mind make up a scene and just go from there. My mind ended up choosing the scene "Hell" so I got really scared and woke myself up and I'm never going to try luciding again. Nah just kidding, I just woke up after that. No dream :(

I guess with time and practice I will get better. But do you have any advice in the meantime? (like what to imagine etc.) Seems like DEILDs can sometimes work for me even after moving quite a bit, and that's definitely a blessing I want to take full advantage of.

Also something interesting: I tried but failed to hold my breath while in SP (I tried as an experiment to see if it would wake me up). I just couldn't fully block my breathing. I could slow down but the urge to start breathing again was extra strong. Must be some sort of mechanism to make sure you don't forget to breath while sleeping I guess.

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Hey mate :)
Well, young Jedi, let us begin.
Okay, first with whether you should choose to re-enter your dream, or create a dream, if you feel that it's easier to re-enter your previous dream, DO IT
Don't let being scared discourage you, or the possibility of your lucid scene being "boring." It's up to YOU to change that. Let's be honest, the possibilities are endless, you should be capable of having immense fun in a bloody white, closed room ;)
Same with the getting scared of hell thing, that sounded like a fun thing to do, meet the devil, chill with him :)
Like, what were you scared of there? However, I understand it's one thing to say that, and another to be capable of being rational in dreams, whilst you're in a sleepy state. Just try to work on it, but it's no big deal :D
Finally, my young one; I'm not actually to sure :P
Perhaps your "SP" was actually a dream, and you just weren't aware of the fact. Other than that, I have no idea xD
You're going really well man, keep it up! Look forward to hearing from you soon, young Jedi.

Embrace the shadows only then you can see the light which they came from.

Perhaps one tip, don't watch too many horror movies because then you sleep paralysis experiences can get very unpleasant. TRUST ME!

This might be a weird advice, but what I do when I see something terrifying like a ghost or whatever, I'll just walk towards it and hug it. And the ghost is like :eek: then it disappears and since I haven't seen any ghosts in real life, I can now know for sure that I am in the dream or non-physical. :shadewink:

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Originally Posted by yuppie11975

Hey man, I'm glad you're trying out DEILD.
Yeah, that's the aspect of DEILD I struggled most with. I think the most important thing is preparing before hand. Have a little mental talk with yourself, about trusting your ability to remain aware. It'll work wonders for you. I also recommend you give a mantra a go. Try; "I will stay calm, when excited" or just "I will stay calm, when needed"

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Yes, i've had practice with mantras and what not, but i guess this time it was either too quick for me to consider before i passed out or it just didn't occur to me to try. Thanks for the advice though, i'll be sure to remember next time i get the chance. :D

Also, @Triforce: I've been though the same super-fast SP shortly after waking up myself. A good thing to consider next time you get the chance is to remain calm in thought. When you feel you're in deep enough, try and picture whatever environment is easiest for you. (Like Yuppie mentioned)
On that note you should also consider mapping out your own landscape ahead of time - i picture i'm on a beach at night. It's something i've created and learned how to recreate in my mind whenever i want a nice calm starting point for any potential dream or daydream. :P

Thanks for the advice guys.

I was in a mall yesterday and thought that kind of scene would be good to have a LD dream in (running super fast around the place seems like fun, and there's plenty of people to interact with). Tonight I entered SP again - I'm not 100% sure it was real but it ended in a Lucid Dream so who cares. I tried to picture the mall while in SP but entered another scene. Then I tried to change my scene while in the dream but ended up waking up before too long. I'm slowly making progress, though. Just gotta take it a bit easier. Definitely can't wait for my next big lucid, though!

Ohkay guys :)
Keep me posted!

I successfully DEILDed again, huzzah! This time I was in a room with lots of people in a dream, then I decided to rest my head on a table and try to enter SP. As I did this I also woke up in real life but remained still. Somehow I thought that thinking of Roger from American Dad would be a good way to remain conscious. It worked, and this time I didn't get scared and try to snap out of it in the first few seconds like I normally do. I just went with it. It felt like I was flying around a lot, which was kinda fun. Unsurprisingly I saw a black and white image of my room again, but I wanted a different dream scene. In my mind I pictured myself to be outside (since I was kinda flying around in SP) and I kinda shot myself in a random direction like a missile and I appeared in a kind of dark museum/library kind of place.

So this became my dream. I walked forward and saw a few hot girls sitting and chatting. I rubbed my hands together, took off my jacket then crawled on the floor to increase awareness. Then I decided to slide around the room really fast. The girls were looking at me curiously, giggling, before deciding to join in the fun. I then decided to think about real-life stuff to prove my consciousness to myself. Then I put my attention into the realism of the dream, but then I woke up. And I was having a lot of fun too :( But hey, not long ago I was scared to go into SP, but now I've been through it 7-8 times with nothing scary happening at all, even managing to get into a couple of dreams. So I'm pretty happy with that progress. Just gotta work on making my dreams longer. I haven't done any dream journaling/mantras for a while. Maybe doing some will help. Although I started having lucid dreams often after I stopped. Meh, I'll work something out. But it's thanks to you for helping me DEILD. It's been a great help, so many thanks!

Yeah, I know I should be encouraging you to keep and active DJ, but it is a pain. It's the last thing you want to do when you wake up, not to mention school and work.
Congratulations on another DEILD, you seem to be getting to the stage where you should be able to DEILD whenever you want; one of the great benefits of this method.
Making your dreams longer is something that seems to come with experience from lucid dreams. Just make sure you're stabilizing, and once you feel unsettled, or your vision is blurry, stabilize again. To stabilize, I rub my hands together, paying attention to the feel. And if my vision goes weird, I shout "Lucidity HD!" someone told me about this, and it works perfectly for me.
But yeah, don't stress out on trying to make them longer; I suggest just enjoying your dream, and attempting to stabilize, if you start losing it.
I'm sure it'll come to you by itself soon; if not, then you can work on it. It's up to you, but I'm sure it'll be much more enjoyable for you :)
Good luck, you're doing great!

I've been having an abundance of mini-lucids over the past days. But the good part is what happened last night. Or today because I went to bed extremely late. Anyway...

I managed to chain dreams. That was my next goal, and I achieved it. However the dreams were short. I kept waking up in my house and tried to go to a house across the road, and each time I got a little further. I tried rubbing my hands, crawling and shouting "Clarity!" in the most epic way I could. The clarity thing worked, but not for long. I found myself shouting it too often until I felt like I was too awake to even say it. Each time I woke up I did a quick Reality Check, then dove back into SP. SP was actually fun and thrilling this time around. I almost relished the feeling of being spun and thrown around. I didn't get any HI, though. I just kinda made myself "jump out" of SP when I thought I was in it long enough for a dream. Except for one, where I pictured Roger from American Dad. He was waving at me and I entered the dream when I waved back at him. He was showing me some cards but I felt close to waking up so I made a mad dash outside to try to keep my dream going. Anyway, the final dream wasn't too short. I actually accomplished my goal of reaching my neighbor! But then I felt guilty for being a pervert, so I apologized and teleported myself out of the dream in shame.

But I finally chained! Hooray. I can definitely say I've learned to DEILD now. Just gotta stop waking up so quickly...

I had a mad lucid last night, I did like this super agile running course thing.
Jumped onto a wall, flipped off it, flew onto the roof, ran on air, did a front flip, climbed a tree, by running up, it. It was so mad! :D

DEILD sounds great and all, and I'm going to try it tonight, but I have one question. The way everyone is making it sound so easy, how could you not succeed when trying?

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Originally Posted by JayTabes91

DEILD sounds great and all, and I'm going to try it tonight, but I have one question. The way everyone is making it sound so easy, how could you not succeed when trying?

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It really is easy, but you need to become mentally prepared first. A lot of people have issues training themselves to realise when they wake up, or don't give themselves enough time to train the waking up realisation. Once you've got that down, it's pretty much a walk in the park to DEILD from there, as long as you don't wake yourself up too much during the attempt.

I tried it last night. I wasn't able to remember not to move immediately after I woke up, as it usually took me a few seconds, but I did keep moving to a minimum once I remembered. There was one point where I couldn't feel my body at all, like it wasn't there. Is this a stage of sleep paralysis?

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Originally Posted by JayTabes91

I tried it last night. I wasn't able to remember not to move immediately after I woke up, as it usually took me a few seconds, but I did keep moving to a minimum once I remembered. There was one point where I couldn't feel my body at all, like it wasn't there. Is this a stage of sleep paralysis?

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Yeah, good job man. It's great that you remembered to keep moving to a minimum, and that it's still very possible to execute a successful DEILD, even after moving. It could very well have been sleep paralysis, most people make distinct decisions from other people's recollections, but I find it's impossible to tell, unless you experience it. Even then, who knows whether it was just in your head or not? Having said that, the fact that you were getting a response from your body whilst attempting to DEILD, is a good thing. You didn't tell me what happened whilst you were trying?! Were you successful?! :)

unfortunately I wasn't able to enter a dream. I don't remember if I accidentally moved or the SP just stopped cuz I was getting excited, but something stopped it. But I wake up frequently after dreams, like usually 4-5 times a night, so I feel like if I try to DEILD after every one of those, thats so much practice I think I should see results soon.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you, if you have recognizing your awakenings down pat, and staying still. With all that practice, you should be successful very soon. Look at it like this: 5 awakenings (opportunities to attempt a DEILD) X one week. = 5X7= 35.
With 35 attempts each week, it seems that you've got a great chance at succeeding very soon.
Keep it up, and tell me how it goes :)

thanks, I will. BTW, great thread.