The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

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Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Ok? What do they have in common?

This is typical new-age babble. It has zero content. You can say that the sky is a color. What color? Please enlighten me. From where I sit, one has an open mind and a respect for the truth. The other accepts whatever pretty sounding flotsam comes floating down the river so long as they don't have to think too hard or admit that they're wrong. Can you guess which is which?

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Out of the top of my head i can't really name any examples but everytime science does a new discovery i remind myself that certain people have been saying that stuff for thousands of years. I don't appreciate another respond from you as we clearly aren't on the same page and i think ur just targeting me because you think you can easily win an argument with me. But you got to understand that im not trying to argue or force my beliefs on to anybody im simply trying to get to the bottem of things and find out the absolute truth.

And earlier you mentioned to me god does not exist. But my trial of thought is definetly not aimed toward the direction of a god you might imagine when you read the bible literally. I have way more sense than that.

peace

Believing in any god and believing in the christian bible god (I assume that's the bible you are talking about) requires the same amount of sense. That is, zero.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Believing in any god and believing in the christian bible god (I assume that's the bible you are talking about) requires the same amount of sense. That is, zero.

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You obviously misunderstood me. It's okay i wasn't very clear about it.

I base my beliefs not on one single book i look at all religions and i look at all spiritual philosophies and that's where i base my theories on. And i noticed a thread of truth in all those belief systems. And no the truth is not a bearded man in the sky who made the earth in 7 days. I have a way more realistic view on this. And although it has something to do with this 2012 thing (no i dont mean a specific date, i mean the moment we are i now and the moment we are heading towards) i'm not ready to commit myself and spout out everything that goes on in my mind because im still not sure if what i believe is actually fool proof.
Anyway for those of you reading who might be able to make a little sense of this it has to do with ancient Egypt, Jesus, Mohammed , Dreams, Mayan calender and eventually crop circles.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

(The image below was taken Aug. 11, 1999 in England at exactly 11:11 a.m. GMT, showing the Sun in full corona.)

http://www.divinecosmos.com/images/stories/s1701.gif

"The Mayans prophesied that from 1999 we have 13 years to realize the changes in our conscious attitude, to stray from the path of self-destruction and instead move onto a path that opens our consciousness to integrate us with all that exists.......The Mayans say that seven years after the start of Kat..n, so 1999, we would enter a time of darkness which would force us to confront our own conduct. The say that this is the time when mankind will enter 'The Sacred Hall of Mirrors', where we will look at ourselves and analyze our behaviors with ourselves, with others, with nature and with the planet in which we live. This will be a time in which all of humanity, by individual conscious decisions, decides to change and eliminate fear and lack of respect from all of our relationships. The Mayans prophesied that the start of this period would be marked by a solar eclipse on August 11, 1999, known to them as 13 Ahau, 8 Cauac. This also would coincide with an unprecedented planetary alignment, the 'Grand Cross' alignment. This would be the beginning of the last 13 years of the Kat..n period, the last opportunity for our civilization to realize the changes that are coming at the moment of our spiritual regeneration."

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Hey there is Jeff. I was looking forward to your input.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/...culusbrain.jpg

Many say 2012 will be the apocalypse. But, many also misinterpret the meaning of the word.

"Apocalypse" simply means "the removal of the veil".

An unveiling of falsehoods to truth. Not this negative projection of a world catastrophe or destruction as many may wish.

The only destruction that will take place will be the destruction of antiquated world views and limited/divided ideas of self.

The veil has already started to be lifted in many ways.

If you've been looking, hopefully you have been noticing inner growth and understanding in yourselves?

A revealing of you to yourself.

It's a time where social, political, biological, technological, ideological, and environmental changes reach a critical point of awareness.

One need only look around to see it on all fronts.

From overpopulation, global warming, deforestation, water shortages, food scarcity, ocean depletion, mass extinctions, peak oil, and ecosystem destruction---

To collapsing towers, economies, governments and creative technologies that spring from the ashes, such as, the social networking sites which connect people together and remove privacy, ignorance, and empower the common people enough to realize their place in the world---

Yes, one could say it's a process which has been going back since the dawn of mankind, which is true...

But it's been reaching a head...

An awareness and understanding of who...what... we are...

The self-aware universe is starting to awaken to it's potential.

With that potential comes also the potential to drop the ball if responsibilities are ignored or denied.

That is the choice. That is 2012.

I just became aware of this comet today. It was discovered in December, and it's projected to make two close passes to the Earth; on its way in and out of its arc around the sun.

C/2010 X1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Already there is all kinds of conspiracy theory buzzing about it:
Will Earthbound Comet Fulfill 2012 Prophecy? : Discovery News
Amateur Astronomer Being Threatened For Release Elenin Comet information? Or just another hoax?, page 1
YouTube - ELENIN / Nibiru / Planet X (What's Going to Happen?) - April 26, 2011 Update - (I can't help but face-palm at the fact that this guy is advertising his silver business. LMAO.)

Oh, it gets better. (Haha):
Chinese Scientists State That Behind Elenin Comes a UFO, page 1

Bunk or not, I'm going to be watching this whole Comet Elenin thing, really closely. :-?

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Also, this - from Former Supervising Astronomer @ the U.S. Naval Observatory (who many believe was killed by the government, over this very topic):


Gonna see if I can find that news article, shown on the computer at the end...

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Haven't been able to find the original article. Just a bunch of failed links. (Taken down?) I was able to find this article, though, which copied/pasted from it:
http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/...net_X_001.html

There is also a PDF that is linked to, at the bottom - provided by Dr. Mukai, of Kobe University - which looks interesting. So we ay not be hearing much about it, in the States, but it looks like something is out there.

Is this the same one which is constantly going along that same path? I'll have to dig out an old issue of Cosmos tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure there is one which just goes around the Sun and the Earth. It's never harmed us.

The thread lives.

I doubt very much this comet will pose any threat at all, just like any other comet that swings by us. But that won't stop the conspiracy theories from flooding in. Even if this thing passes by and absolutely nothing interesting happens with it, people will say that it's a sign that was foretold in prophecy. There are quite a lot of prophecies that involve the passing of a comet.

Sorry I'm late, guys.
This thread should get a lot more intersting now that I'm here.
I wanted to let everyone know that if you don't believe what I believe, you are dumb.

I really appreciate this thread, Oneironaut.. at least the idea behind it. It gets really old trying to debate with certain mindsets (I didn't say certain people).
Here are some arguments that I am tired of hearing:
"You are wrong about (this), because (this) doesn't exist."
"You are wrong, because that's not what science says."
"You are wrong, because (I state my belief AS IF IT IS FACT).
"You are a poo-head."
"The theory you mentioned is wrong because the author of the theory..."
The author of a theory has nothing to do with the validity of the theory itself. I think you've actually mentioned this, in this thread.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Is this the same one which is constantly going along that same path? I'll have to dig out an old issue of Cosmos tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure there is one which just goes around the Sun and the Earth. It's never harmed us.

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Not sure if it's the same one that you're talking about, but I'm interested to see what info you have. :)

I don't get what 'constantly going along the same path' means, personally. That's what comets do... orbit the sun in large ellipses.

I don't get what the comet has to do with anything either. Comets zip past the Earth and round the solar system all the time, what's special about this one..?

It seems to me that anything is possible. Art Bell used to talk about the "quickening", or the idea that as time goes on, everything speeds up and becomes more complex.
We, as a species, have survived for thousands of years. However, we have not survived LIKE THIS for thousands of years. For the first time ever, it really only takes a total of one person with the right kind of power to make the decision that COULD potentially destroy us all. For the first time ever we have the ability to blow ourselves up, bio-engineer some life-form that can infect us all. For the first time ever we are dependant on a very complicated system of economics and locomotion (artificial ecosystem), that is also dependant on very advanced technology. For the first time ever we are polluting our planet. For the first time we are consuming WAY more resources than ever before possible. We have a population far beyond that which the planet can support.
I believe that at the heart of the population, in general, there is a compassion and love for fellow man (I use the L word loosely here) that is enough so that most people don't want the world's population to die off. Most people don't want everyone else to die. Most people want peace. However, there can be disputes concerning what kind of peace is acceptable, who deserves this peace, and of course power and resource struggles. In the past, the majority of mankind, being good-natured, were enough to keep the few outcast radicals at bay. However, now, as I said, for the first time ever, just one of those radicals can cause a lot of destruction.
We have been around for thousands of years. We have only been in THIS state for a few dozen years. The fact that the year in question, 2012, just happens to be during this particular time in history, is unsettling. It is at least an interesting coincidence.

I agree that human progress is accelerating, and I agree our current state of affairs is untenable. The idea that there being a doomsday date at this time is an 'interesting coincidence', though; come on, there's always a doomsday date. This happened in 2000, and already people are starting the fearmongering for 2020. In no sensible way can this be called a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Xei

I don't get what 'constantly going along the same path' means, personally. That's what comets do... orbit the sun in large ellipses.

I don't get what the comet has to do with anything either. Comets zip past the Earth and round the solar system all the time, what's special about this one..?

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I think this comet is supposed to come between the Earth and the Moon, or at least very close... I think.

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Originally Posted by sloth

I think this comet is supposed to come between the Earth and the Moon, or at least very close... I think.

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Not exactly.

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Reality Check

Comet Elenin will sweep nearest to Earth on Oct. 16 at a distance of 21 million miles and be moving fast enough to travel the distance from Earth to the moon in under five hours!

The effects of the comet on Earth at closest approach will be as inconsequential as that of a mosquito slamming head-on into an ocean-going supertanker.

Let's look at the physics. Comet Elenin is a loose agglomeration of volatile ices and dust a few miles across. It is therefore one hundred billionth the mass of our moon. (The relative difference is roughly the same as the mass of a mosquito vs. the mass of an oil supertanker.)

The comet will pass no closer to us than 84 times the Earth-moon distance.

Applying Isaac Newton’s laws of gravity, this means the comet's tidal pull on Earth -- at closest approach -- will be approximately one-hundred trillionth the force of the moon's tidal pull on Earth. And, we all now know that despite the dreaded Supermoon hype last week, there were no monster storms or earthquakes triggered by our satellite's gravitational tug at closest approach to Earth.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Not exactly.

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Don't argue with me.
The comet will do what I tell it to do.

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Originally Posted by Xei

I agree that human progress is accelerating, and I agree our current state of affairs is untenable. The idea that there being a doomsday date at this time is an 'interesting coincidence', though; come on, there's always a doomsday date. This happened in 2000, and already people are starting the fearmongering for 2020. In no sensible way can this be called a coincidence.

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Of course the 2000 date was a "doomsday" date, because it was significant in SOME way.
2012 has been prophecized for a long time, by a lot of people. I believe it's quite a bit more significant than other doomsday dates.
However, that's as much as I can say about it.
This is kind of a scary time, but you are correct; other than prophecies, there is no evidence pointing to the actual date.

I hope this comet will be bright, it's been quite a while since a nice comet has graced our skies.

Someone launch a nuke so we can enjoy the beautiful glow as it shoots across the sky. Don't choose a target, just fire it in a random direction. It'll be like russian roulette, but on a far bigger scale.

Okay. I feel a little out of place here. But I haven't seen the mention of the coming age of Aquarius.

Age of Aquarius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia please someone read this and tell me what you think. Ever since I've watched Zeitgeist, I've connected 2012 to the coming age. After reading through this wikipedia, I found this.

"Amao states that the transition period between any two ages is based on two degrees' leeway at the point of intersection of two adjoining zodiacal constellations.[13] Based on this transitional structure, Amao has the Age of Aquarius commencing in 1950 with the transitional period from the Pisces age to Aquarian age covering the period 1876 to 2020. Amao follows the causative approach to the ages and believes that the energy from the arriving constellation of Aquarius is actually creating the changes on Earth that many astrologers associate with the Age of Aquarius.[14] The key characteristics of the Aquarian age according to Amao are: science will explain the mysteries of religion; knowledge and reason; freedom and equality, equality of the sexes and of religion; space exploration, supremacy of the United States over the former Pisces supremacy of Europe; and finally revelation of the Mystery.[15]

Amao also states that the Mayan Long Count calendar, that has an end-date of December 21, 2012, is associated with precession of the equinoxes and therefore can provide an important demarcation for the Age of Aquarius. Another technique used by Amao is the longterm conjunction cycle of the planets Saturn and Jupiter that will have a conjunction of these two planets at the very beginning of the sign Aquarius in 2020. Combined with the closing transition date of 2020 derived from the one degree cusp method, Amao is convinced that we lie at the threshold of the Aquarian age."

I really don't have much to say. I'm afraid of not making any sense, to be honest. I just want to know what you guys think of this.

2012 is only the resetting of the mayan calander. The ancient mayans themselves didn't predict any doomsday. It's just the resetting of their great year. much like how we re set our calenders every year on jan 1st.

However the Mayans DID say that we will go from the 3rd world (the one we are in right now) and the 4th world. Some places sooner and others later. And it has been predicted by not only the Mayans, but the Tibetans, the Hopi, the Hindus. TO be honest, only the Mayans have set it on a certain day 12/21/20012, but the Tibetans have said that it will happen in this decade (of 2012) and the Hindus said it will happen in the beginning of the 21st century. What will happen? A new paradigm. Also, I forgot to mention the Hermeticists have also mentioned it. It isn;t beginning to happen now, it is finishing up.

Great thread, O.

I've noticed human progress occur in some ways that are not tangible, such as behavior, or awareness. I'm encountering more and more people that seem to be more "awake," in the sense that they are self-aware. And I say "self-aware" in the sense that they are present; not enslaved by their own thoughts like so many are. At times, everyone is, but I'm seeing a lot more people who can let go of their egos and be present. More people understand, and accept these concepts than before. It's not so taboo to be aware. These are just my personal observations, but I believe this fits in with some of the 2012 hype, in the sense that I'm noticing a transition in people's behavior and thoughts on a pretty wide scale. Particularly the younger generations.

I've found that it's becoming easier for me personally to be compassionate, unbiased, and understanding, although I too still surrender to my own ego more often than I'd like.

I think the very fact that fewer people are regarding 2012 to be the "end of the world," and more and more people are talking about a shift in consciousness, or an awareness of a collective consciousness in it's own way could be interpreted as a re-affirmation of this shift in consciousness theory.

That, coupled with recent global events of populations standing up for their rights in a new way, could be aligned with 2012 theories. (This is a simple, unbiased observation, and not a cause to argue.) I think that, because of the nature of the events, not necessarily the events themselves. The aware, awake youth uprising. Anger, combined with peaceful determination. It's hard to articulate what I've observed in all of this. It could be interpreted by some to be a shift in consciousness.

For the record, O, earlier on, I don't think Xei was trying to be condescending, I think he didn't get what you intended to convey in your OP. Given the typical nature and tone of his posts, it may have been easy for you to assume that he was being intentionally antagonistic to spite those who may believe in these 2012 theories, but I genuinely don't get that vibe from anything he's contributed to this thread. I think there was just a misunderstanding. Just my .02.

I'm not sure of the exact date... i think in nov. of 2012 the 1300 ft diameter meteor called YU2005 discovered about one year ago is going to pass between the earth and the moon... supposably if it wobbled just 2 ft to the right (right now) it would end up potentially hitting the moon... and 5 ft to the left and it would be on course to hit the earth. I don't know what kind of a bang this would make... maybe nothing... maybe 30,000 atomic bombs? there is an online calculator that can tell you such things.

Then there is the north/south magnetic poles switching places.... i believe this happens approximately every 50,000 years? and we are about 150,000 years over-do... but this doesn't take place over night ... it probably takes hundreds if not thousands of years.

perhaps 2012 will be the year that there is irrefutable proof that we have already reached the global tipping point with regard to global warming. When you lose so much ice cover.... that ice no longer reflects the sun's heat back up into outerspace... and if a tipping point is reached then the temperature just keeps rising (even if pollution came to a halt over-night).

but, as alric said, maybe part of it is just that all of us want to be part of something big and important. I want to feel like i was here / now for a particular reason... i'm pretty sure i'd rather be alive now than at any point in history... but what about the future? If everything doesn't come to a screeching halt then i may regret not being able to become a Space-Cowboy.

I watched some shit on history channel about the Hopi prophecies coinciding with Mayan prophecies. Here's the list:

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(From White Feather, Bear Clan, Hopi Tribe)
The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)

Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)

Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)

Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)

Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)

Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)

Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)

Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)

Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

"Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.

"But White Feather shall not see it. I am old and dying. You -- perhaps will see it. In time, in time..."

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Took that from earthevolution.blogpsot.com