ah, well in my mind while I was reading it fear of death and earthly attachment just made an automatic connection in my mind, I thought perhaps this was my intuition telling me something.
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ah, well in my mind while I was reading it fear of death and earthly attachment just made an automatic connection in my mind, I thought perhaps this was my intuition telling me something.
Lol, good luck on the LDs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
I did take that test. It said my crown and root chakra were underactive, however I have no problems feeling or opening them. I do remember having a bit difficulty with the root chakra the first time, but it's fine now. Now the only difficulty is the root chakra. I think I will try taking the test again.
I know exactly what you mean. I used to lay awake as a child pondering these things. I would think of the inevitabiltiy of death, and what then? I would wonder how my consciousness was me and not him or her or that? Why me? Why was I me? Other people will still exist after I die. The sun will still rise the day after I die, but what about me? Who am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by tkdyo
Is this what you mean?
In this case, chakras are a neat theory, but that is all they are. It may be fascinating, but the thing that will do you good is to have an experience that transcends this physical body. You need to face death. Lay in bed next time it keeps you awake, and instead of worrying about it, pretend to die. Die as much as you can. Slow your breath down and shallower and shallower until you are barely breathing at all- just enough to not die for real. Your heart beat will slow down. If you itch or if you have to swallow just tell yourself that dead men don't scratch. This is hard to do when there are mosquitos.
Pretend to be dead and try not to think, but just watch yourself barely breathing. This is what I did as a child and this is how I first WILDed as a child and it literally changed my life or made me crazy! I didn't know that this also is Yoga technique. Any more relaxed and you would be dead. death is utter relaxation.
Then, AFTER you have done all that and you are lying there weigthless and bodiless, and you don't know what to do, then try visualising the crown chakra while super slow breathing.
Breathing affects consciousness. Change your breathing, change your consciousness. Face death, find out for yourself the mysteries of death.
A kundalini yoga exercise for destroying the ego and awakening beyond death and getting a transcendental state is to drop your forehead down towards your solar plexus while breathing out. Breath in sit back up. continue at a good pace with strong breathing. The third eye awareness in the forehead hammers and destroys the ego that dwells in the solar plexus.
Yogis of India go live in the graveyards where everyday people bring bodies in and the wild dogs eat them and they get burnt. Day after day week after week month after month these yogis meditate on death and come to terms with it.
My brother died. And when I found out I didn't know how to feel. My first reaction was "I knew it." But I would stay up at night and feel him there with me, but he wasn't. And through his death, I saw my own death, I looked death in the face. Death is a yawning void, but it is part of us while we live, it is all around us. Death is actually the deepest part of ourselves. the living part of us is pretty shallow. It is just bodily. Death is relaxation into our self so much that we are too relaxed to hold onto our body.
Here I go on and on about death again. (Slaps myself) Back on topic! Kundalini is life energy that rises through the chakras. The individual ego consciousness as a separate being alive in the body on this Earth is in the third chakra, use your third eye to dissolve that ego and then breathe in fire through the third chakra, breathe out light from your heart. This should heal that blockage.
wow I had to read that more than once to take in all the information there. It seems you are very passionate (or at least interested) in it. I have often thought myself that those kind of spiritual experiences would put my mind more at ease. Ive tried to do something like you described with the breathing before but never quite got it to work.
The closest Ive gotten is using one technique where you are suppose to mentally build an astral body of you and transfer your consciousness to it, but it has to be very detailed. However when I tried to do the consciousness transfer I suddenly got intense pains in my stomach, so strong it forced me to cringe. I checked the site after and right there in a later message it warned that that could happen if the body wasnt detailed enough. Thats the closest Ive come to anything pertaining to spirit being tangible. I guess I will need to try more.
OK, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think that first you should forget all about this esoteric chakra yoga kundalini mumbo jumbo and just confront your consciousness and fear of death face to face without any distractions. Don't try to rise up in an 'astral body'. Don't try to find life after death or a life beyond the body. These are all heresay and secondhand knowledge. You need to know your own naked consciousness before you start messing around with pretty theories of chakras. Chakras are theoretical to you. Consciousness is an undeniable fact, a reality. Without firsthand knowledge of consciousness chakras are useless.
Don't try to find your immortal soul. There may not be such a thing. There may not be a life after death. These are all psychological tricks to avoid facing death. I was saying: Die! Totally! No tricks, no distractions, no beliefs, no hopes, no fantasies. Just let yourself be absorbed into the total negative state. Let yourself be afraid and don't avoid the fear, don't try to escape. Face reality. face the inevitable. Let your body die, let your mind die. You may not find an answer, there may not be an answer, but experience the mystery. Death is a mystery to be lived, not a puzzle to be solved.
The technique I shared worked for me, it may not work for you. But I discovered it on my own when I was 8 or 10 years oldbefore I ever heard of yoga or meditation and that is how I had my first WILD that totally changed my life or made me crazy - you decide. You need to discover your own method that works. If it doesn't work, try harder, keep trying, or switch to another method. But the method is to be found in your own naked consciousness. That is where life and death happen. Then, when you have explored your own consciousness inside and out then chakra work will grow out of that.
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Damn, good stuff Dannon! Rather than avoid it, overdose on it. That could be just the ticket!
Just one thing I can think of to add. tkdyo, you've spent a LOT more time in non-existence than in this short little life. Billions and billions of years... basically an eternity. Did it hurt? Did it suck in any way?
How could it? Not existing means no suffering (but of course no joy too).
ok, I see what you mean now dannon. I have to wonder if it would really comfort me though. Of course, there is only one way to find out :) It is, once again, a lot to ponder and digest.
Darkmatters...I know what you mean, that it wont actually hurt even if I just cease to exist. I think one of the major sorrows I feel though is just that...no more feeling. Especially not being able to see the world continue to evolve and change. Seeing the world continue to change and experiencing the 5 senses in this world are the greatest of joys. I actually remembered when this all started. It was last summer, I was laying back in my car with the windows rolled down, watching and hearing the leaves move in the tree above me and suddenly the thought popped in my head "some day, I will never be able to experience this again" :(
That's a very hardcore atheist/ materialist belief, that only a small segment of modern people believe in. Personally, even as a confirmed atheist (until very recently... I might have to update that to agnostic pretty soon) I believe we all live again and again and again.
Not according to any particular religious idea of reincarnation... I don't believe the memories pass on, or personality traits or anything... I just think 'you' will rise again, as a totally different person, after you're dead. My idea is totally aligned with scientific knowledge about life.... a developing fetus forms in a womb somewhere, and through some process that we're unaware of, it becomes conscious. Why couldn't one of the billions of new consciousnesses that come into existence after your current one dies be a completely new 'you'?
I don't want to derail this thread with my weird ideas, here's a link to my attempt to explain the idea: Non-ReligiousreINCARNATION thread
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Originally Posted by Darkmatters
I really find this belief attractive to me. I actually really considered this to be true for a while. Of course it can't be proven, but since we originally might have been nothing that was created into consciousness...why can't that happen again with all of the "new" consciousness born into existence that happens on a daily basis?
I love that theory :)
Thanks Jorge. And whoever else you've been and will be... :banana:
The idea that when we die our awareness just goes black never to rise again also can't be proven. Science really can't even speculate on it. Somehow though our modern materialist worldview tends to lead to a very existential and rather depressing concept concerning death. But I think that version of materialism is itself old-fashioned now, and slowly giving way to a more open-minded outlook that's less dark and morbid.
It is not meant to comfort or console you. That is the job of the priest. If your child dies the priest will tell you "It is OK, God works in mysterious ways. Your child is in Heaven now with God. All children go to Heaven." Or "Your child has great karma and will be reborn into the realm of the Gods." He is just consoling you. But to know the truth takes courage, and to know the truth you have to face death with no consolations. Without knowing if you come through it or not. And even if another is telling you the truth, it isn't "your" truth unless you know for yourself from your own experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by tkdyo
But if you only want to be consoled then think about this:
1. You are aware
2. Others are also aware
3. You will die
4. Others will die
5. Others will be born
6. Awareness will continue to exist as long as there is life
7. If awareness exists, it will be you. This is hard to describe. Try to understand: If the awareness that exists is not you, then it is separate from you. If it is separate from you, you exist in relation to it. Awareness is always in the first person (as in verb conjugation and pronouns). If your 'I' does not exist, somebody else's I exists, and that 'I' is 'I'. There is only one 'I' but many egos.
My understanding is like this: You can keep peeling layers off an onion, until you come to the last layer. When you peel the last layer away and throw it away, what is left?
Answer: The whole Universe. But you can't hold onto any layers if you want to survive. That is the paradox. You got to die totally. You have to let the innermost core of you die in order to be reborn. Because a butterfly is not a flying caterpillar.
Everybody is a dewdrop that reflects the sun in it. If you look into any dewdrop you will see the whole sun reflected there. But really there is only one sun, and that dewdrop will evaporate along with its reflection of the sun. But only the real sun will continue to exist. In fact, only the Real Sun ever existed in the first place. The same is true with us. Our individual conscious selves are an illusion. Consciousness is not private property, it is not real estate. Consciousness does not belong to you or to me. We are very complex organic robots. We have no souls, but we have a brain that thinks thoughts that give the illusion of a separate self. What we call consciousness we feel to be localized in our heads or at best in our hearts, but in fact this field of consciousness exists everywhere. That is how and why we can share dreams. There is consciousness in every point of space. But not every point of space has a brain, but we do. Maybe someday even a computer may become self-aware just like us. We are organic robots. If we look inside us to see the 'I' we see the ego which is our own reflection of the one Self. But if we look at where this self comes from, our gross consciousness that is dependent on the brain is really a reflection of the one consciousness that exists beyond time and space, or as Terence McKenna calls it: "The Transcendental Object at the End of Time". We will die, and unless we die totally, we will not awaken as the ONE. This ONE is out through the crown chakra.
That is why it is advised that when you die you leave through the crown chakra. This practice is called 'Phowa' (Poe-wa) in Tibetan. When the Chinese invaded Tibet and killed millions of people, many monks just shot themselves out their crown chakras before the soldiers could kill them.
There is some books that tell how to practice this, but this is something you definately would need a teacher for. However, it is one of the most widespread Tibetan teachings that even lay people practice. You will know when you have learned it when a drop of blood forms on the top of your head.
Then death is nothing to fear. Maybe you would be interested in this thread: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=87772
But I guess my whole point lately is not to believe what you hear from anybody, especially if it consoles you. Study chakras, but live it, don't let it be a theoretical abstraction. Demystify it. Be pragmatic. http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7...2b612f8525.jpg
I know this is a little late, and the thread may be a little dead, but I couldn't help but comment. Ever since I've started focusing on my chakras, I've been more aware in everything, and having a LOT more LDs.
I also tried dream meditation one time. It was an amazing experience. Heres the quote from my DJ if you're interested:
"I gave up on that. I knew the dream was going to end soon, and I didn't want to waste it. Hurriedly I thought of something to do. I sat down and tried to meditate on my third eye chakra.
I can tell you now it was the most odd and amazing experience ever. I felt my third eye sort of burst. I saw many colors and odd things, sort of like HH. Then I saw a human eye, brown, just gazing at me. I saw a few more things, but I can't remember. As this was happening, I felt my body "lift", as if I was being sucked into the chakra. I was wondering the whole time if I was going to Astral Projection? Could it really happen? I felt so glorious and at peace.
Then something tugged at me. It was time for me to wake up. I felt myself feel numb and fuzzy as my dream body was sucked into my physical one.
Notes:
- Ever since this dream, my third eye chakra has been extremely easy to open (whereas before it would not open). It also does not hurt like it used to; it actually physically hurt before when I concentrated on it. This is the power of dream meditation!"
Thanks a lot for sharing 'ReachingForTheDream', That sounds amazing... I've being trying to open my third eye, AAAND, I always have a hard time deciding what to do when I get Lucid... I'll try to remember doing this, sounds like a cool experience...
That's awesome ReachingDream! I've been wanting to meditate in a lucid, especially work on my chakras, I always forget though :?. I've been having trouble with my crown chakra too. So do you think if I open it up in the dream, it'll be easier in the waking?
btw...If you guys like Sarah's video Introduction to Kundalini Yoga, she's got more videos on the main http://yogatoday.com/. You can download them for about $4, or just sign up for full access. You can just type in kundalini in the search and find more yogas related to the chakras. I need to do that kundalini yoga again, it really helped with dreaming :D
I definately want to start chakra meditations/healing. I'm going through so many life changes, and I think I could benefit from them. thanks for sharing everybody!
Somehow what is missing in many spiritual/Karmic purity orientated religious movements is the Dark side of (both physical and immaterial/divine) existance.
Many religious doctrine following people taboo, avoid and surpress anything related to the darkness, Satan, Yang..etc
In many other religious/filosophical traditions/ideologies (such as Taoism, The Maya and Aztec people's Religions, Pre-christian Celtic, Germanic, Viking and other pre-monotheistic middle eastern, asian, african and european religions) the Darkness/Evil/Destructive side of existance is not hated, taboo'd or avoided but in fact the darkness is also appreciated for it's creative properties( By destroying and disturbing existance it constantly creates new impulses and space for new forms and existance to be created by the Creative forces)
In Tao ism, Buddhism, Maya/Aztec religion and in Zoroastrianism this is represented by a Dark energy/Deity and a Light Force/Deity.
In Taosim and Buddhism Yin and Yang(Push and Pull), In Zoroastrianism The Creative Principle and the Destructive Principle, In Aztec mythology the deities Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca. In many other ancient culture's mythologies there is mention of 2 forces, the Creative Light Deity/force and the Destructive Dark Deity/force comming together to create the universe.
So to say in these religions/ideologies the creation of all existance is percieved to have originated, and continually throughout time originate from a phenomenal play between Creation/Light and Destruction/Darkness.
This is what lacks in todays monotheistic religions. These religions rather choose to percieve creation of all existance to have originated from the Forces of light/Creation(or God, Allah, Jah, Jahweh, Krishna..etc) only without the help of the Forces of Darkness/Destruction. In fact they see the forces of Darkness/Destruction as merely an obstacle and plague to the creation of the forces of light/creation.
The fail to see the value of Satan/Tezcatlipoca/Yang/Destruction/Darkness in the ever ongoing process of creation of existance. Instead they taboo it, avoid it, fight it, opress it.
Allthough I enjoy such deep contemplation I would like to return to gathering more practical methods of chakra healing.
Reiki is effective for chakra balancing.
So do you know any practical chakra balancing reiki methods that anyone could do to themselves?
Interesting thread. I've been trying chakra meditation for the last two days. I worked with the root chakra and then gave both root and sacral one a try today as well. I was able to visualize much better today than the previous day since I reflected on what I could have done better in order to improve the techniques. What I do is try to imagine a closed flower(closed green bud with some red, orange, etc.... from its middle) and then open it. Once it's open, I rotate it clockwise rapidly until it forms an energy ball of red, orange, etc.... Today, I decided to add some lightning within the ball since I can do that pretty easily and should help with the visualization. My three main concerns are this:
a) When visualizing, I try to imagine that I am observing myself meditate and then I focus on where the chakras are supposed to be located and do the above visualization. I find this a bit difficult in some cases and my visualizations wonder, as in I can see the bud then I'll see the flower than half a bud all within the span of a couple of seconds, kinda like it's unstabilized. How do you guys deal with this or am I the only one that gets this?
b) In terms of closing them, usually I visualize the reversal, so, the ball slows down, becomes a flower and then goes back into a bud at which point I try to stop my meditation immediately to avoid reopening them. Am I supposed to take my time in closing them and would it be harmful to close them quickly? Should I stop saying the chant when closing them and at which point? Also, what are the problems with keeping them open? Do you get drained of energy if they are left open, since, we are dealing with energy here?
c) I've been looking at that chakra website and have been trying to follow the ways the hands are done along with the chant, etc.... is that really necessary(the hands part) or can I just keep them the same way(like in the root chakra one) and do the chant?
Thanks in advance :)
No one is going to answer my questions? :P
I wish I could, but I'm still new to all of this :(. I don't even know why you need to close a chakra. Maybe that's important if you're some guru and you don't want your chakra blasting open all day long. But for a newbie like me? I'm not even sure I get them fully opened to begin with and closing them seems counterproductive to what I'm trying to do!
np, I'm new to this as well which is why I asked so many questions. I understand what you mean about opening then closing them. I mean I think the idea is to develop them but I'm not sure how that works. I am also confused whether I am really opening them because I don't feel anything at all to indicate that I opened them, same with closing them :PQuote:
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The important thing is to gain first-hand experience rather than repeating a technique that you don't understand. The techniques were made by humans just like you. You can make up your own technique that works best for you. I think that in order to get a first-hand experience I needed to get very in touch with my body, by doing yoga and deep breathing, etc. Actually, deep, rapid, and smooth breathing is great. Instead of visualizing right away, try using your feeling sense. Try to feel your core. Try to feel the central core of your body right in front of your spine. breathe in strongly energy up from the Earth through the central channel to the top of head. Breath out a fountain from the top of your head that falls back down to the Earth. Just experiment and find what is fun for you. Try adding visualization when you feel more confident. Don't worry about if you are just imagining results at first, just have fun experimenting. Eventually you will get deeper and deeper into it and IT will teach you what you need to know. Let your own Kundalini teach you. Eventually you will need to develop stronger and more stable concentration to hold the subtler energies of the higher chakras.
I never tried closing them, I don't know why one would. Maybe that is why I am so crazy. I feel that the aura itself will protect me from any threat. A strong aura is like a strong immune system. If anyone or thing wanted to get your energy or enter your energy field it would go through the solar plexus chakra, so make sure that one is strong. Or cover it with your hand if you feel someone is trying to get their "hooks" into you. Visualize your aura having a strong, flexible, transparent shell around it when in doubt.
Also, I never visualized flowers. I just visualize dots of colored light, that is what works for me, flowers don't, but that is up to every individual.
You have the best teacher in the world, your kundalini, your higher self, your true self, your still, small, whisper of truth.
I just did that Chakra test. I think my results aren't that good. All my chakras are under-active.
Root: -75%
Sacral: -19%
Navel: -81%
Heart: -69%
Throat: -62%
3rd eye: -12 %
Crown: -62 %
I'm not surprised, I'm often anxious and have negative thoughts a lot.
High frequency vibrations seem to loosen up barriers in chakras. Hence the overtone chanting. The vibrations of your chant can be directed through the body/chakra "collumn" by altering your Tone, Pitch, Shape of mouth and tongue, lung pressure..etc
I was thinking: Could it be possible to use overtone sounds ( either digitally self-produced, recorded or sampled from a monk chanting ) played through relatively small, but quite powerfull speakers to loosen up chakra barriers?
If one such speaker was attatched to a long cable, plugged into an amplifyer, which in turn is plugged into an Ipod or a PC that contains the overtone sound file, the speaker could be held against each chakra individually while playing the overtone MP3 nonstop in order to see if the overtone vibrations can loosen up musculair tightness and Spiritual chakra barriers ( as these 2 are connected )this way.
Sounds like an interresting, not too complicated experiment to perform. I guess it would be best to make the speaker much like an oversized Mono headphone, with a cushion around the speaker so you can push it against your body in a way that no sound escapes and all vibrations will be directed into your body, into the chakra you chose to loosen up.