Alright everyone im Dave, Been reading about lucid dreaming for a while now and been trying to achieve lucidness for a little over a week now. Still no luck.

The problem I have is in every technique ive read about in one way or another you have to think about lucid dreaming in order to become lucid where as if i think about going to sleep or dreaming in any way shape or form i can not get to sleep. The only way i can get to sleep is if i lay there long enough my mind wonders away from thinking about dreaming and eventually falls asleep. See my problem? How do i become lucid WITHOUT thinking about dreaming or lucidness?

Also i have some questions i need answering before i continue my quest for lucidness.

1.) When your in a lucid dream do you actually realise your in the dream at the actual time or do you wake up and remember you had dream where you realised you was in a dream ?. If this is the case i don't understand how its possible to forget a lucid dream if it seemed like you was there and actually experienced it. you wouldn't forget something you just did 5 minutes ago?

2. ) The roll over test. I watched a video where someone was saying when lying in bed your body does a test to see if your still awake where it tries to make you roll over and in order to trick your body into believing your asleep you have to resist it.
My problem is i don't believe this is what the body is doing at all I believe we get the urge to roll over because we have been in the same position too long which is the same with anything foe eg. when carrying a bag of shopping in one hand for too long your body wants to change hands because you've been carrying in the same hand for a while and when your switch your body wants to change back after a while which is the same as rolling over in your sleep. Can some one convince me otherwise?

3.) how can you tell the difference between dreams and thoughts when laying in bed half asleep. When were in bed falling asleep we think about things which create images in our head and we might drift of too sleep and wake up a while later and think did i dream that or was i just thinking it ? . This has been happening to me alot lately where i dont bother to do reality checks because i believe im just in thought not actually dreaming. you wouldn't think about doing a reality check whilst thinking about a maths problem or something?

If any one can clear this up for me i would be most appreciative.

Thanks in advance.