Tip for the 3rd person noob

[logik]

Hello to all that are new here! I don't post too much here but i am always seeking new methods or anything that catches my interest. Well for a long time i have had problems dreaming in first person, i felt like this was an obstacle for me to become lucid in my dreams. Many people here on DV usually tell me to use this as a dream sign but, theres not really a way to view in third person in your waking life so you can distinguish the two? So one night i was just having these random thoughts before bed, and i noticed i place things out in third person example, when i make a scene in my mind or imagine myself, i never think in first person and always visualize in third. This usually happens when i play out a moment in my head, etc. I'm not sure if others do this but imagining myself in first improved my dream enviorment and i had my first dream in first person (that i can recall) the other night. Sometimes i catch myself visualizing myself in third and sometimes it is a bit hard to switch my view to first at some points, but for anyone who has visualized in third person all their life i believe this works. If anyone has any other methods please do tell. If any crack or loops, or just being vague with this method please tell me! :-D

[Citizen]

I have a very similar problem. I think what was happening to me, though, is that when I tried to recall my dreams I was thinking of them in third person because they were easier to recall. So I'm not absolutely sure that I do actually dream in third person, but I know that I had a first person dream last night. Normally, I'm not awakened in the middle of my dreams, but someone woke me up. It is proven that you remember your dreams more when you are awakened in the middle of the REM sequence, not after it is over. Therefore, I stayed in a bed a little longer and tried to envision my dream. BEHOLD, IT WAS IN FIRST PERSON! I have had other dreams in first person, but I don't remember many. As stated earlier, I think this is due to being awake and trying to place ourselves out of the dream situation so we can look at it from afar to know everything that was going on. Final Statement: We don't dream in third person, we remember in third person.

[logik]

I'm not really saying i don't believe you but i'd just like a little more proof

[Citizen]

Oh, I know... it was just an idea... a hypothesis so to speak...

[SantaDreamsToo]

I have also had third person dreams, I hate these because they are exactly the same as watching a movie, and its impossible to become lucid since your not actually there. this is possibly the worst dream sign I could ever think of

[l3xicon]

...noob...isn't that a war craft name? i hate that game! curses... (sorry this has nothing 2 do w/the subject....just seeing noob in the subject tittle confuzed me.... )

[muse.v]

Wow Citizen! i was reading this thread earlier, was going to share an experience of mine that matches what you've described, but couldn't think how to write it out. Now you've brought it up i have to share it... After my most recent LD, i woke up and was pretty happy, as it was probably the most vivid one i've had so far. I immediately started writing it down in as much detail as i could. About half way through i realised that i was remembering the dream in third person. I had stopped visualising what had happened already and it had become third person. It wasn't as simple as just remembering it in third person though, it was as though the memories themselves had been changed to third person. The way this happened was strange because i was able to notice it almost immediately, like i caught the change red handed. Iit wasn't really a third person dream, because i know it was first person, because it was such a good lucid. It was also strange how it happened later on, a few minutes after i woke up. I just noticed this subtle change, and thought "how strange that i felt just now like the dream was third person, when i know i was felt earlier it was first person, and i remember it that way now from being lucid." logik, the way you described catching yourself visualising in third person reminds me of this. Perhaps as I woke up better, something about my thinking changed to a longer term, more vague sense of memory. Perhaps when i have just woken up, the memories are still clear and short term, like i was just there. I think this third person phenomena is evidence for how memories quickly change and become vague as we awaken. Obviously it is not strong in everyone, but i feel like this myself sometimes. I'd like to note that i had this dream pretty recently, last week in fact. To me, this way of explaining things seems weaker with just vanilla dreams. I think that has more to do with really low awareness; its so low that the dream isn't even about you. When you become more aware of yourself, you eventually become lucid. How then can you continue in third person if you are thinking reflectively and know its about you? Honestly i have never had this kind of lucid; what i described earlier was much less significant. What i do remember, is when i first started most of my dreams were really not even n black and white; they didn't even have defined shapes, it was more about the thought. Some of them are still like that occasionally, but often they aren't. It becomes increasingly harder to remember what these types of dreams felt like, and i think logik that as you get better, third person dreams will become rarer. its all about being aware of yourself more, experiencing the real world in first person, as well as the dream world. If you mostly experience the world without any analysis of your own thoughts, and only analyse situations later, i wouldn't say that was a first person perspective of yourself. Lucid dreaming is all about being aware of situations and your own thoughts and your perception, (smells, sounds, touch, sight, etc) as they happen. This is a first person way of viewing the world, and as you form this as a habit, you'll naturally have less third person dreams. Ok, if i was vague in some bits, feel free to ask me to repeat myself on any specific points, because i don't feel like proof reading or rewording all of that.