Is anyone here a level 10?
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Is anyone here a level 10?
What's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by TehDugan
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...511#post418511Quote:
Originally Posted by dodobird
This is just the last stage of the dreamer stage...Quote:
Level 10: “Free Will Lucid” -
It might seem strange that there is a level above the "God Lucid" but complete control over everything can be boring. The Dreamer is still completely omnipotent when they choose to be. In this level the dream the dreamer can relinquish control of certain parts of the world but, unlike the Telekinetic Lucid, the dreamer does this on purpose. They can also give other dream characters free will if they choose and take it back when they choose.
From dreams to Astral planes and from there to Higher planes.
I would count my self a level beyong the 10th.
Are you serious born 2 kill? You should have a dream jornal then. I think brandon heat is at level ten.
Wait never mind im way above level ten. lol, i have skillz. When i get lucid. lol. I just havent tried in a long time. :)
I have a personal Dream Journal with over 160 pages filled. With predictions and experiences which happened in various places inside and outside our planet.
Im not counting my self in the level 10 since the levels beyond it are far more superior.
Dream control does not interest me at all.
I think it forces our waking mind over the dream, which pretty much ruins it because our waking mind is structured, patterned, conditioned. It's like taming the dream world. I would much prefer my dream world to remain wild.
WOw can you ld when ever you want!?!?! And what level are you on 300? lol
born_2_kill: can you elaborate on all this?
im pretty sure gothlark is beyond level 10 i know he can LD at will any time of the day
When you are able to control your dreams, you unlock a new potential that we are able to activate called the second us. Our current state is limited because we were forced to believe that way from beginning we were born.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodobird
Through dreams we are able to access the Subconscious and than the infinite us.Thats why Dreaming is important, even more important than our current state of consciousness.
Those who are on lvl 10 and beyond understand that if they want the true knowledge of the Infinity they need to go beyond the physical realm.
It is the same as going to high school and than graduating to College or university. We seek knowledge from the moment we were born.
Our world around us, is as much as real as our dreams. And we are in control in both reality's. The reason why people want to Astral Project is because they are able to meet their dead relatives, seeing their past life's and having a look to the feature. The degree of that level is were the spirits are.
I had one level 8 dream a few weeks ago, it was my only one. Normally I'm level 3, though.
I'm definitely a level 10. As for the people saying there are levels ABOVE level 10, then what are they. I'd be really interested to see what else is possble in an LD.
I LD every night. I can WILD pretty much any time of day. And I've done everything that I could think of in my LDs.
The stages beyond LD are spiritual. The people who go beyond the level 10 have a purpose to go beyond .. A purpose is needed to accomplish once desires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infraredkelp
Okay, I have no idea what you're talking about. Give me an example of something you did that was above level 10.
A dead relative... to meet my dead relative that was my purpose and i succeeded in that because i used my WILL to make it happen. Further more my purpose began to expand and i started to have a new purpose "Seek the wisdom" and with the help of my will im succeeding in that.
To understand this, you would need to experience one of those unhappy moments for you to open your hearth to infinity possibilities.
Surely that's level 9? You created a DC who was your dead relative. It's like a dream that I had a month or so ago when I died and went to heaven, I met all kinds of people, for some of them I thought 'I wish my dead Gran was here' and then she was.
I met my dead grandma a few days after the funeral. That doesn't make me above level 10, I still just created her with my mind just like any other DC.
I didnt state that i had dreams about her.... U have asked what purpose i went to levels beyond LD.. and i gave u the puprose.
Astral projection is far beyond dreams.. i preffer you to do some research about it before asking any llame questions which im not willing to answer.
And a person has to be mature enough to understand why a purpose is needed. Because from there comes the Will to accomplish it.
Okay let me get this straight: Your account with your grandma was an LD, correct?
There's no need to get so defensive about it, I'd be very interested in researching higher levels than complete omnipotence, do you mean really talking to a dead relative rather than creating the character of a dead relative?
If you could recomend some reading material I'd apreciate it, otherwise, what better way to research a topic than ask someone with first hand experience?
my dreaming level is OVER NINE THOUSSSSAND.
i can create and destroy galaxies through dreaming. the truth is that the sun would expire years ago if i wouldnt power it up using my dreams
...cant you see he is making up shit?
yea, I can :?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vall3y
Someone else believing something that you don't believe doesn't imply 'making up shit'.
Now hold on. Just because not everybody believes in the sorts of things he's talking about doesn't mean he's lying. I haven't quite made up my mind about whether things like OBEs and Astral Projection are possible, but I try to be open-minded. Personally, I don't see why those other experiences would even be on that scale level developed for lucid dreams, because to me they are totally different from dreams.
I will try to explain it as simply as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_23
Lucid Dreaming has lots of levels.
-The Lucid Dreaming comes from your subconscious so it is only you who
has access to the infinity wisdom in your subconscious.
Astral world has 7 spiritual levels
The Astral world is a place where we go after we leave our physical body's.
We can access the first levels by leaving our body's and than come back.
In the first stage of Astral world we control everything and go anywhere we want around the world since it vibrates on almost the same frequency.
We can meet our dead relatives, guides and highly evolved spiritual beings.
Thats why when people ask me what levels are beyond LD?
it is very simple to answer, Astral world is a realm where spirits rest.
Lucid dreams are experience which our subconcious creates .
So the difference between those two is simply that We learn how to control our selfs in dreams and than we have a possibility to go beyond that level.
The real adventure begins once you leave your physical body.
NOOOOOOOO you beat me to the punch! ...What a waste of 10 minutes of reading a puerile "my penis is bigger than..." thread if I can't even edge in that comment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vall3y
For the record, if you're astral projecting - assuming such a thing is even possible - or doing anything that isn't dreaming, then it doesn't have a dream level. It's not a dream, it can't have a level, and trying to prove that you've evolved beyond level 10 (do you get a new feat? Or is that next level?) is puerile and beyond any point the system was designed to describe.
By that definition you can hardly claim that Astral Projection is beyond level 10 lucid dreaming as it's not dreaming at all. That would be like claiming that being awake deserves a level. If you experience AP while dreaming then how can you possibly diferentiate it from a very vivid level 9 or 10 LD? If you experience it while not asleep then surely you can see that it does not have a place on the scale refered to at the start of this topic.
Omg, please don't stop powering up the sun!!! I would hate not to be able to get a tan.../tear drop I've been pale all my life...its on my list of things to before I die...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vall3y
:bowdown::banana:
I need more :cowbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVbAuMr5eac
theres a difference between being open minded, and detecting bullshit.
just a while back there was a psychic guy on the boards, and people some people couldnt see he is making fun of them.
believing in OBEs and all that is one thing, but acting like an all knowing professor? lol. '7 levels of spirtual blabla', yeah for sure.
Hey nice avatar Vall3y. Do you have F-Zero GX?
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Originally Posted by Vall3y
Acting and knowing are two different things...
Like i said before, we can only learn from our own experiences. Thats where the truth comes from. I'm not a psychic nor some kind of charlatan, I'm just a normal open minded individual who seeks knowledge.
I was asked to expose the levels beyond Dreams. If there were actually levels that we could describe in our language, im sure that those levels would be mentioned here.
I will end my conversation here since I cant proof anything related to dreams and astral projection. And some people are just not ready for this kind of knowledge because it requires a individual to understand his purpose.
What matters is that we have the freedom to share knowledge. :)
You mentioned this before and seem to cite it as the telos behind becoming some wise lucid/astral master. You seem to view purpose as something preexisting and inherent in the fabric of every person's life that they have to uncover and discover, right? How are you justifying this, and where is this purpose coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by born_2_kill
Wow, when I wrote those dream levels I didn't expect anything like this to break out, I just wanted to give people a meter stick to help them watch their progress and abilities grow. You know that those levels are completely made up right? I said so right in the prologue.
Omg I love you lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
Exert from the tutorial:
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After spending a decent amount of time on Google I found out that there is no accepted levels to dreams. So I made up this system of 11 Dream Levels. I've put a lot of thought into these levels and think it will help you monitor your progress of dreaming ability.
:) thats rightQuote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
Highest level I've ever gotten to is 6 :(
8 1/2. normally, spiking into 9 on good nights.
Haha we have a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
born_2_kill, I - and I'm sure many others - find what you say interesting. Please ignore all those who claim you are making this up. It's best not even to respond to them, because that would send the discussion astray. For the sake of those of us who are open minded, just ignore them ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by born_2_kill
Wow who invented these levels?
probably Seeker.
I did, read the precious posts :-P
previous, my precious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
Back on topic, Can somebody tell me if this is a level 10:
I often control different DCs, but only one at a time and don't really choose who to control (I'm sure that makes it a 'no'). One second I'm me, talking to someone else, then I'm them and 'me' is more or less going on auto pilot. I can sort of suggest what 'me' does, or leave 'him' to it but not fully control 'him' while I completely control the new DC who I am or switch back at other points to being me, or sometimes other people.
ugh, no, but he is my main char in super smash bros. melee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infraredkelp
Oh, same here :) ... except I also play F-ZeroQuote:
Originally Posted by Vall3y
im between 8 and 9
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Hi I am new. Just found this sight. The dream level is a fun idea. I will not claim to be level 10 (it does confuse me a bit). Level 9? I was there in the past but it has evoled into something much odder than that. Was that "God Lucid".. yes, so erase a scene to a white background, pick a new scene. Have everything a young man can want, sex, flying, anything and everything. So anyways, been there. It does get boring. I do not know about your level 10. Maybe I have done that with out thinking about it. I will share a few ideas for other levels in my next post. Maybe they are not about 10, maybe they can fit in to stages of 7-10. I honestly have not got familiar with the standard terms everyone is using like WILD but I get DC (dream charector?) Anyways here we go,,, see next post.
Ok, so you gain total control,,, then what. I like developing specific senses to high levels. One example is standing in a stream in a dream, experiancing the coolness of the water below and warmth of the day above while watching how the flowing water distorts your view of your feet. Another, review your senses,,, chant some sylables out loud, really hear them, while focusing sight on your hands while feeling your hands go through mudra forms (gestures), then pick up a sweet roll and smell it, then taste it. I guess those can fit into any level, but maybe define how lucid your dreams are. Maybe a level beyond 10 would be when you finally are contacted by real other worldly beings, not just dream charectors. This wipes level 10 away because some of these beings will always be able to exert more will on a dream scape than your run of the mill level 10. A level beyond that? Well lately I have been brought into a place where some of the dream items have a solidity to them. A barrier that can not be dreamt away for example. It seems some dream entities value some kind of stable dream items, but this is still a great confussion to me, but when I get more grasp on it, maybe I will be at another level? Great fun and I real like your dream level post, these are just variations that came to mind. Looking forward to the whole forum thing!
No, I still think ninja9578's definition of level 10 is as accurate as a scale like this will ever be. When you have power over everything, the only interesting thing left to do is to take that power away and play with limitations. I guess you're suggesting something like that too, sivason, but "real otherworldly beings" can't really fit into a scale that's meant to be in accordance with current scientific thought.
I guess there are some web-sights I should be looking at? Help me out on a couple things, please. Is there a glossery where everyone is getting terms like WILD or maybe you could throw a coulpe examples out so I can comunicate better? Is there some actual scientific tests you know about, or kind of sciency web sights?
I guess what I was talking about is a bit like level 10 in that if you have more than 1 powerful dreamer in a dream you do have limited power, even if you are 'god lucid' when alone. Then you do not always win games and other dreamers can suprise you, and so on. You still can fly, and change sceens and walk through walls, but some dreamers can hide form you or force a scene they want to stay, even when you are used to being God when alone. So, it is basically the same idea as lvl 10.
Seriously though can anyone tell me about basic things like "this months dream tasks" I see that alot or the most basic terms like WILD, or show me a link, so I can chat easier.... Thanks
You know, I really think that the most competent source of knowledge and spiritual guidance is clearly someone who chooses to call themselves "born_2_kill". Nothing like a destiny full of taking lives to really key you in to a higher wisdom and knowledge.
e_e
sivason, if you want to bone up on lucid dreaming terms and acronyms a good place to start is the main site and the tutorial board on these forums. Since a lot of these boards is about discussing what works and what doesn't work for getting lucid and since getting lucid requires (for those ungifted with spontaneous LDs) you to employ a technique, most of us have read tutorials for the common LD induction techniques (WILD, MILD, DILD, DEILD, FILD, WBTB, on and on) which is where a lot of our lingo springs from. These lucid tasks you hear about are a sub-forum on the Lucid Experiences board where people can take on the challenge of performing a certain task in their lucid dreams. It helps with motivation, dream control mastery, and just staving off boredom.
Spamtech, Thank you for all the info, it will help me talk with everyone to read those then, awesome thanks!