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      There's no need to get so defensive about it, I'd be very interested in researching higher levels than complete omnipotence, do you mean really talking to a dead relative rather than creating the character of a dead relative?
      If you could recomend some reading material I'd apreciate it, otherwise, what better way to research a topic than ask someone with first hand experience?

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      Quote Originally Posted by John_23 View Post
      There's no need to get so defensive about it, I'd be very interested in researching higher levels than complete omnipotence, do you mean really talking to a dead relative rather than creating the character of a dead relative?
      If you could recomend some reading material I'd apreciate it, otherwise, what better way to research a topic than ask someone with first hand experience?
      I will try to explain it as simply as possible.

      Lucid Dreaming has lots of levels.
      -The Lucid Dreaming comes from your subconscious so it is only you who
      has access to the infinity wisdom in your subconscious.

      Astral world has 7 spiritual levels
      The Astral world is a place where we go after we leave our physical body's.
      We can access the first levels by leaving our body's and than come back.
      In the first stage of Astral world we control everything and go anywhere we want around the world since it vibrates on almost the same frequency.
      We can meet our dead relatives, guides and highly evolved spiritual beings.

      Thats why when people ask me what levels are beyond LD?
      it is very simple to answer, Astral world is a realm where spirits rest.
      Lucid dreams are experience which our subconcious creates .
      So the difference between those two is simply that We learn how to control our selfs in dreams and than we have a possibility to go beyond that level.

      The real adventure begins once you leave your physical body.


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      By that definition you can hardly claim that Astral Projection is beyond level 10 lucid dreaming as it's not dreaming at all. That would be like claiming that being awake deserves a level. If you experience AP while dreaming then how can you possibly diferentiate it from a very vivid level 9 or 10 LD? If you experience it while not asleep then surely you can see that it does not have a place on the scale refered to at the start of this topic.

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