Level 10?

**iLight** · 07-16-2007 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by John_23

There's no need to get so defensive about it, I'd be very interested in researching higher levels than complete omnipotence, do you mean really talking to a dead relative rather than creating the character of a dead relative?
If you could recomend some reading material I'd apreciate it, otherwise, what better way to research a topic than ask someone with first hand experience?

I will try to explain it as simply as possible.

Lucid Dreaming has lots of levels.
-The Lucid Dreaming comes from your subconscious so it is only you who
has access to the infinity wisdom in your subconscious.

Astral world has 7 spiritual levels
The Astral world is a place where we go after we leave our physical body's.
We can access the first levels by leaving our body's and than come back.
In the first stage of Astral world we control everything and go anywhere we want around the world since it vibrates on almost the same frequency.
We can meet our dead relatives, guides and highly evolved spiritual beings.

Thats why when people ask me what levels are beyond LD?
it is very simple to answer, Astral world is a realm where spirits rest.
Lucid dreams are experience which our subconcious creates .
So the difference between those two is simply that We learn how to control our selfs in dreams and than we have a possibility to go beyond that level.

The real adventure begins once you leave your physical body.

**Spamtek** · 07-16-2007 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Vall3y

my dreaming level is OVER NINE THOUSSSSAND.

NOOOOOOOO you beat me to the punch! ...What a waste of 10 minutes of reading a puerile "my penis is bigger than..." thread if I can't even edge in that comment!

For the record, if you're astral projecting - assuming such a thing is even possible - or doing anything that isn't dreaming, then it doesn't have a dream level. It's not a dream, it can't have a level, and trying to prove that you've evolved beyond level 10 (do you get a new feat? Or is that next level?) is puerile and beyond any point the system was designed to describe.

**John_23** · 07-16-2007 11:46 PM

By that definition you can hardly claim that Astral Projection is beyond level 10 lucid dreaming as it's not dreaming at all. That would be like claiming that being awake deserves a level. If you experience AP while dreaming then how can you possibly diferentiate it from a very vivid level 9 or 10 LD? If you experience it while not asleep then surely you can see that it does not have a place on the scale refered to at the start of this topic.

**Sandform** · 07-17-2007 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Vall3y

my dreaming level is OVER NINE THOUSSSSAND.
i can create and destroy galaxies through dreaming. the truth is that the sun would expire years ago if i wouldnt power it up using my dreams

...cant you see he is making up shit?

Omg, please don't stop powering up the sun!!! I would hate not to be able to get a tan.../tear drop I've been pale all my life...its on my list of things to before I die...

I need more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVbAuMr5eac

**Vall3y** · 07-17-2007 01:58 AM

theres a difference between being open minded, and detecting bullshit.
just a while back there was a psychic guy on the boards, and people some people couldnt see he is making fun of them.
believing in OBEs and all that is one thing, but acting like an all knowing professor? lol. '7 levels of spirtual blabla', yeah for sure.

**Infraredkelp** · 07-17-2007 02:01 AM

Hey nice avatar Vall3y. Do you have F-Zero GX?

**iLight** · 07-17-2007 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vall3y

theres a difference between being open minded, and detecting bullshit.
just a while back there was a psychic guy on the boards, and people some people couldnt see he is making fun of them.
believing in OBEs and all that is one thing, but acting like an all knowing professor? lol. '7 levels of spirtual blabla', yeah for sure.

Acting and knowing are two different things...
Like i said before, we can only learn from our own experiences. Thats where the truth comes from. I'm not a psychic nor some kind of charlatan, I'm just a normal open minded individual who seeks knowledge.
I was asked to expose the levels beyond Dreams. If there were actually levels that we could describe in our language, im sure that those levels would be mentioned here.

I will end my conversation here since I cant proof anything related to dreams and astral projection. And some people are just not ready for this kind of knowledge because it requires a individual to understand his purpose.
What matters is that we have the freedom to share knowledge.

**Spamtek** · 07-17-2007 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by born_2_kill

it requires a individual to understand his purpose.

You mentioned this before and seem to cite it as the telos behind becoming some wise lucid/astral master. You seem to view purpose as something preexisting and inherent in the fabric of every person's life that they have to uncover and discover, right? How are you justifying this, and where is this purpose coming from?

**ninja9578** · 07-17-2007 02:51 AM

Wow, when I wrote those dream levels I didn't expect anything like this to break out, I just wanted to give people a meter stick to help them watch their progress and abilities grow. You know that those levels are completely made up right? I said so right in the prologue.

**Sandform** · 07-17-2007 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by ninja9578

You know that those levels are completely made up right? I said so right in the prologue.

Omg I love you lol.

**ninja9578** · 07-17-2007 03:45 AM

Exert from the tutorial:

After spending a decent amount of time on Google I found out that there is no accepted levels to dreams. So I made up this system of 11 Dream Levels. I've put a lot of thought into these levels and think it will help you monitor your progress of dreaming ability.

**iLight** · 07-17-2007 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Wow, when I wrote those dream levels I didn't expect anything like this to break out, I just wanted to give people a meter stick to help them watch their progress and abilities grow. You know that those levels are completely made up right? I said so right in the prologue.

thats right

**the_gloaming** · 07-17-2007 06:58 AM

Highest level I've ever gotten to is 6

**Torcher** · 07-17-2007 07:25 AM

8 1/2. normally, spiking into 9 on good nights.

**archdreamer** · 07-17-2007 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by ninja9578

You know that those levels are completely made up right? I said so right in the prologue.

Haha we have a winner.

**dodobird** · 07-17-2007 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Acting and knowing are two different things...
Like i said before, we can only learn from our own experiences. Thats where the truth comes from. I'm not a psychic nor some kind of charlatan, I'm just a normal open minded individual who seeks knowledge.
I was asked to expose the levels beyond Dreams. If there were actually levels that we could describe in our language, im sure that those levels would be mentioned here.

I will end my conversation here since I cant proof anything related to dreams and astral projection. And some people are just not ready for this kind of knowledge because it requires a individual to understand his purpose.
What matters is that we have the freedom to share knowledge.

born_2_kill, I - and I'm sure many others - find what you say interesting. Please ignore all those who claim you are making this up. It's best not even to respond to them, because that would send the discussion astray. For the sake of those of us who are open minded, just ignore them

**day_dreamer** · 07-17-2007 09:03 AM

Wow who invented these levels?

**Infraredkelp** · 07-17-2007 09:44 AM

probably Seeker.

**ninja9578** · 07-17-2007 01:56 PM

I did, read the precious posts

**dodobird** · 07-17-2007 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I did, read the precious posts

previous, my precious.

**John_23** · 07-17-2007 02:43 PM

Back on topic, Can somebody tell me if this is a level 10:
I often control different DCs, but only one at a time and don't really choose who to control (I'm sure that makes it a 'no'). One second I'm me, talking to someone else, then I'm them and 'me' is more or less going on auto pilot. I can sort of suggest what 'me' does, or leave 'him' to it but not fully control 'him' while I completely control the new DC who I am or switch back at other points to being me, or sometimes other people.

**Vall3y** · 07-17-2007 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Infraredkelp

Hey nice avatar Vall3y. Do you have F-Zero GX?

ugh, no, but he is my main char in super smash bros. melee.

**Infraredkelp** · 07-18-2007 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Vall3y

ugh, no, but he is my main char in super smash bros. melee.

Oh, same here

... except I also play F-Zero

**viking-45** · 07-18-2007 02:27 AM

im between 8 and 9

8

9
.......|
......me

**Sivason** · 07-21-2007 10:29 AM

Hi I am new. Just found this sight. The dream level is a fun idea. I will not claim to be level 10 (it does confuse me a bit). Level 9? I was there in the past but it has evoled into something much odder than that. Was that "God Lucid".. yes, so erase a scene to a white background, pick a new scene. Have everything a young man can want, sex, flying, anything and everything. So anyways, been there. It does get boring. I do not know about your level 10. Maybe I have done that with out thinking about it. I will share a few ideas for other levels in my next post. Maybe they are not about 10, maybe they can fit in to stages of 7-10. I honestly have not got familiar with the standard terms everyone is using like WILD but I get DC (dream charector?) Anyways here we go,,, see next post.

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