North-Eastern Newbie, Hi Folks

[montrealhorizons]

I hate to type long posts but it seems my hands move by themselves. At any rate; my name's Frank, I'm from Montreal - Canada, and just by browsing through the forums hear I'm fascinated by the content. Amazing things to be told and amazing people, so I decided to join, should I be welcome .. Sorry for any spelling or vocabulary mistakes in advance, english isn't my first language. I haven't tried any of the very detailed tutorials about Lucid Dreaming, but I have tried my own things, and attempted to gain control, often resulting in the dream ending. Oddly enough though I never wake up, if I realise I'm dreaming the dream ends, and black takes over till the morning comes.. Most commonly; Is the fact that I don't even realise a dream - it's not that I don't realise things are out of wack; because I do look for the signs, being someone who looks at everything on a daily routine. My dreams usualy consist of near-identical realistic surroundings; peoples; environnements. These dreams often, very often; I'd say once a week; end up being deja-vous' of things to happen on a certain day of the week; of course I don't realise it until the moment's passed after which I'm like; wow I saw that comming. I've managed a few times to recall and predict the happening; and have had occurences where I told my friend for example: "Our manager is going to ask us to stay till 11:00 and then he'll offer to pay us a round @ Tonic", random things that I see in the dream; we'll become an exact reality; from angles and perspectives to wording. What really amazes me though is the fact that; though I've had those dreams often enough; they constitute about 40% of my dreams. The next big category; is the one I'm particularly concerned about; I'm unaware if it's a common thing, but here goes: I'd say about 50% of my dreams involve some form of physical action, and I can actually feel the energy used to perform the various physical tasks. The weird thing though is that I don't realise at the time it's a dream, because I'm too caught up in the so-said action, often a life threatening situation. In real life, I'm a fairly strong guy; but in a dream, the best example I can give is the most recent occurance : I was in some form of room; the room looked fairly believable, but I had never seen it before. I cannot recall the exact actions, usualy dialogue between two exterior parties; wich was followed up by a confrontation between me and another man. We push and shove each other a bit, and I can actually feel the physical energy being used to push, almost as though it was real. But then, the man pulls a knife and slowly starts pushing it towards me, and I am now on the ground. As I try to push the man back, my strength leaves me and I feel as though I cannot continue to hold him and I become weak very fast; and soon I feel the knife penetatre me, only I do not feel the pain - but I do not wake up either, I die "emotionally" I suppose. I lye there for a few seconds, contemplating the fact that I have just been stabbed; and yell and worry as though I had really stabbed. I often wake up sometime after, remembering the action. I'm wondering, could I be possibly actually carrying out those physical movements while in bed? And that while I'm asleep my body needs alot more energy to move, resulting in my constant loss of strength? The other 10% of my dreams aren't really dreams but more random occurances and epileptic flashes that last few seconds; often after a night of pure black. I've posted this on the imdb boards; in response to a thread on the movie "Waking Life" from a user on those boards called PCwhipped, and found myself on this site shortly after it being linked from his post. I look forward to logging my dreams from now on; I never truly have difficulty recalling them; so we'll see how that goes. Again, glad to join the boards; you guys seem like a great bunch. Any answer would be wonderful; thanks. Frank

[Amethyst Star]

Welcome to DV, Frank I'm glad that you've joined us here and I hope that you enjoy your stay here and are able to learn more about the world of dreaming. Let us know if you have any questions, or feel free to just search around the site. There's already a ton of information available, so peruse, if you feel so inclined. Oddly enough though I never wake up, if I realise I'm dreaming the dream ends, and black takes over till the morning comes.. That's not abnormal. I've read of others to whom this happens, and I've also experienced it. I'm thinking that when you're lucid, you're body is closer to waking up than usual, so the black might just be one of your body's ways of waking up. I've found that the best thing to do when that happens is to just relax and wait for it to pass. Try to do things to keep yourself in the dream, such as rubbing your hands together or along a wall. The main thing is to focus more on your dream body than your sleeping body. The weird thing though is that I don't realise at the time it's a dream, because I'm too caught up in the so-said action, often a life threatening situation. That's a regular occurrence. For some reason, our logic processors are shut down while we're sleeping, so we tend to just accept what's going on. Lucid dreaming is all about questioning what's going on and it's amazing how difficult it can be! It's just not a habit that people (such as myself) have. I lye there for a few seconds, contemplating the fact that I have just been stabbed; and yell and worry as though I had really stabbed. I often wake up sometime after, remembering the action. I'm wondering, could I be possibly actually carrying out those physical movements while in bed? And that while I'm asleep my body needs alot more energy to move, resulting in my constant loss of strength? Unless there's something wrong with you physically, you should not be acting out your dreams. Our bodies go into sleep-paralysis (SP) to prevent us from acting them out, which wears off as we wake up. One way you can tell is if when you wake up, you either find yourself in a different position from when you fell asleep (sometimes difficult to determine), or if your blankets are all messed up, as if you'd been moving around. As far as the loss of strength in your dreams, I've had that happen as well. Sometimes we just have dreams where we are watching or experiencing something unpleasant, but for some reason we can't or don't do anything about it. I had to watch a man hanging off the side of a boat have his fingers stepped on so that he sank into the ocean and drowned. I'm not sure why we have these kinds of dreams. Maybe it's some sort of balance to the other dreams we have, who knows? Anyway, I hope that I've been able to provide some useful information I'll be seeing you around! -Amé

[Spartiate]

Cool, I'm from Montreal . Anyways, Amethyst is mostly right, feel free to ask if you have anymore questions. Oh and welcome.

[Dudeofea]

Welcome to Dream Views, im also new so im not very important either. And i noticed *Amethyst Star*'s pic, but why did you have to pick Sui Fong. shes not necesairily the strongest one.

[Wavefunction]

im also new so im not very important Wow, that sounded really self-depreceating. Just 'cause you're new doesn't mean you're not important! Since you're both new I'll give you two welcomes.

[montrealhorizons]

Thanks for the most part, two welcomes, twice as awesome. Well I'm off to bed; time to dream

[peppy]

Hey man, to Dreamviews!

[Amethyst Star]

Welcome to Dream Views, im also new so im not very important either. And i noticed *Amethyst Star*'s pic, but why did you have to pick Sui Fong. shes not necesairily the strongest one. Because she's just that cool. Kakashi may not be as strong as Itachi, but that doesn't make me love him any less

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Hey Frank and to DV! Your questions have been pretty much answered already, if you have any other questions please feel free to ask

[montrealhorizons]

Thanks for the warm welcome, quick question ( I posted it at the end of one of my dream journal's page but figure It'd be better asking here. ) Why is it that I always wake up in the morning? I know dreams only last about 6 seconds ( neurologically; or something close, right ? ), and the rest is some form of unconciousness; I try to gain control of my dream, and try to become lucid, but I wake up the moment I realise I'm dreaming.. My question isn't concerning lucidity but about why is it that the blend from the dream ending to me opening my eyes seems timeless. The dream ends when I try to take control, and poof, it's morning. I hardly ever wake up during the middle of the night.. What's the neurological or psychological reason behind that, I'm truly curious? I figured I'd ask here before going on a google search and if nothing came up, turn to the library or my father who happens to be a professor of neuroscience. Thanks in advance

[Wavefunction]

Thanks for the warm welcome, quick question ( I posted it at the end of one of my dream journal's page but figure It'd be better asking here. ) Why is it that I always wake up in the morning? I know dreams only last about 6 seconds ( neurologically; or something close, right ? ), and the rest is some form of unconciousness; I try to gain control of my dream, and try to become lucid, but I wake up the moment I realise I'm dreaming.. My question isn't concerning lucidity but about why is it that the blend from the dream ending to me opening my eyes seems timeless. The dream ends when I try to take control, and poof, it's morning. I hardly ever wake up during the middle of the night.. What's the neurological or psychological reason behind that, I'm truly curious? I figured I'd ask here before going on a google search and if nothing came up, turn to the library or my father who happens to be a professor of neuroscience. Thanks in advance They've done plenty of dream-time studies (using eye movements) and they last longer than 10 seconds. When you try to take control, and the dream ends, you probably just go into another non-lucid and un-remembered dream. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with neuroscience.

[Moonbeam]

Hi, montrealhorizons, and welcome. If no one else has recommended this, I think reading "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" by Stephen LaBerge may answer a lot of your questions and give you good tips. The tutorials here at DV are helpful too. As far as waking up in the middle of the night, my standard advice: Drink lots of water!

[Wavefunction]

As far as waking up in the middle of the night, my standard advice: Drink lots of water! Yes, that would be extremely effective

[montrealhorizons]

Drink alot of water to wake up during the night? Maybe I didn't explain myself properly- I NEVER wake up in the middle of the night, haha. Will drinking water allow me to wake up and have a fresher recall of the un-remembered dream?

[Wavefunction]

Drink alot of water to wake up during the night? Maybe I didn't explain myself properly- I NEVER wake up in the middle of the night, haha. Will drinking water allow me to wake up and have a fresher recall of the un-remembered dream? You almost always remember a dream if you are awoken in the middle of it. And since dreams happen a lot in the middle of the night, it should help out.

[montrealhorizons]

I tried, drank alot of water ( probrably close to 2 L ) 30 minutes before going to sleep, but instead of waking up; I had barely any dreaming experience at all, the only slight thing I can recall is a classroom and an argument with fellow classmates, wich was nothing special. But thanks for the tips, I'll keep giving them all a try, and thanks for the links and recommendations I'll try those too the moment I have enough time to spare! Frank

[Moonbeam]

I tried, drank alot of water ( probrably close to 2 L ) 30 minutes before going to sleep Gosh you think that would wake you up! Maybe you set alarms instead. You're more likely to be dreaming later in the night, so if you set the alarm for an hour or so earlier, you'd probably be dreaming then.

[montrealhorizons]

Sounds quite logical, I'll test that out; I have to leave by 9 tomorrow so I'll set my alarm for like 4~.. Thanks for the suggestion Update: I woke up around 4 ~ without even setting the alarm, oddly enough. It took me 45 minutes to get back to sleep, after which I dreamed and managed to recall most of it. However I didn't really dream anything before waking up at 4. I'll try it out a few more nights see the effects it has on my dreams.