Did I just have my first LD? plz answer

[Psionics]

Ok, so I was asleep and awake at the same time it seemed like. What I mean is I was having a dream but rather than just knowing I was asleep, I felt like I was in my bed and in the dream. It felt as if I could just open my eyes and be awake. It is really hard to put the feeling into words, but does this sound like it could be a WILD? I don't remember any vibrations like some people say it causes, but I think I may have had a mild case of SP, like I couldn't move but the thought of trying to move had left my mind. So is this what a WILD feels like? Is this what all lucids feel like? was I even lucid in the first place? plz answer. any opinion would be greatly appreciated

[Spiderman_859]

In my opinion you were just having a vivid day dream. That's just me though. I do the same thing when I wake up, I'm really relaxed but I'm awake and I just day dream a for little while. I don't count those as LDs. If it was a WILD it think you would've felt those vibrations and the onset of SP. It's one of those experiences that you really can't miss.

[Yoavwein]

I've had something like this few times aswell. I don't think its a lucid dream, although you might call it so. I think that if you wake up during a dream, sometimes the dream may still last for few seconds while you feel your physical body in bed, plus the feeling that It'll be over if you open your eyes. Its not lucidity, since you find out you're dreaming only when the dream is in its last moments.

[Psionics]

My only problems with these theories are that I was asleep for 2 hours (so not a day dream) and that I experienced this twice, once before and once after, a normal dream (not just seconds after). In fact, the one time before the normal dream was a dream in itself, and the second one only stopped because my phone rang and woke me up. But I agree that it being a WILD is not likely, I just could not think of what it would be called.

[Spiderman_859]

Well i don't think it's a dream still because it lasted for that long. I don't think even the longest REM cycles are that long. What time of day did you experiance this?

[MANIN207]

Yeah I agree, I have had those subtle thoughts where I was almost dreaming, but yet awake, they are really wierd, but you WILL know when you are having a LD , Just remember to do a RC then you will know for sure. Like plug your nose and shut your mouth if you can still breathe you are having a LD. Keep trying you will get it. Sounds like you are moving in the right direction though.

[Psionics]

Well i don't think it's a dream still because it lasted for that long. I don't think even the longest REM cycles are that long. What time of day did you experiance this? I had already slept nine hours. It was somewhere from 1 1/2 to 2 hours, maybe not exactly 2 and I'm sure it wasn't more than two.

[Spiderman_859]

Yeah it sounds exactly like what I do every morning, although it's a lil longer than what I do. I think the longest a rem cycle lasts is like 30-45 minutes so what you experienced is a lot longer than the normal dream. It's not exactly a day dream either tho, I know what you mean. Maybe you should just name it and it'll catch on.

[Psionics]

So any ideas on what to call this?

[Psionics]

Yeah it sounds exactly like what I do every morning, although it's a lil longer than what I do. I think the longest a rem cycle lasts is like 30-45 minutes so what you experienced is a lot longer than the normal dream. It's not exactly a day dream either tho, I know what you mean. Maybe you should just name it and it'll catch on. I heard from another member that your REM cycle doubles in length after each NREM cycle

[Psionics]

I've decided to call this an FDD, a Full Day Dream (not to be confused with any of these) because on most points the term day dream really describes it well. If you have any other suggestions for a name feel free to say them

[Shift]

I think it's very possible that this could be a lucid dream. A lot of my early lucids were like this, with this weird understanding of having a dream body and knowing that I also had a physical body. Usually preoccupying myself with the thoughts of my real body would lead me to focus on it and wake myself up (so if it sounds like that's why you woke up, next time try not to!) I can't say if it was a WILD or not, and unless you tried to move and couldn't no one knows if you were in sleep paralysis (though if you woke up and couldn't move it's very possible that you were). There's no such thing as a 'mild case' of SP, you either are or aren't paralyzed. With this few details it's hard to know what you mean that you were dreaming and awake. Were you just drifting off and suddenly found yourself in a dream?

[Psionics]

I think it's very possible that this could be a lucid dream. A lot of my early lucids were like this, with this weird understanding of having a dream body and knowing that I also had a physical body. Usually preoccupying myself with the thoughts of my real body would lead me to focus on it and wake myself up (so if it sounds like that's why you woke up, next time try not to!) I can't say if it was a WILD or not, and unless you tried to move and couldn't no one knows if you were in sleep paralysis (though if you woke up and couldn't move it's very possible that you were). There's no such thing as a 'mild case' of SP, you either are or aren't paralyzed. With this few details it's hard to know what you mean that you were dreaming and awake. Were you just drifting off and suddenly found yourself in a dream? I'll try to go into more detail: first off, I did not wake myself up. the phone in my room rang. second, by a mild case of SP I meant that, if it did happen, it either passed quick or didn't scare me. but like I said, I really don't know because I also had no desire to move. As to what I was doing before dreaming, I was counting breaths so I could possibly stay aware until the dream started. at this point I started to see DC and talk to them, but I was also slightly above my body like an obe. even much further in the aware dream, I thought that the real dream had yet to begin. so I don't know about calling it lucid because I denied I was really dreaming yet. this happened over I believe the course of two rem cycles, the first aware, the second aware for a couple minutes at the end. if there is still some detail I've left out about this, plz let me know

[ClouD]

Lucidity is a personal experience, why do you need to define it? It is a strange phenomenon for that first time. If you see a rose dripping dew under a sunrise, and it is the first time you have ever seen anything, what can be said? Another thing, is that there is no division between what is and what isn't, there is no question nor inhibition. It is your division that is your non-lucidity, and your interjection that is against. Defining should be done with great caution, it can create much questioning and doubt, and does not take for granted that which is, which is (if you have have experience with dreams you will know) the catalyst (in a backwards way) for everything, including lucidity. If you let lucidity, it is there. If you keep asking those who can never answer you truthfully, then you are just creating another problem. Another person's truth can never be your own, truth is subjective - for you to know what lucidity is, you must be lucid. When you are lucid, you will understand, but otherwise the asking of the question is going to be a barrier.

[MANIN207]

Lucidity is a personal experience, why do you need to define it? It is a strange phenomenon for that first time. If you see a rose dripping dew under a sunrise, and it is the first time you have ever seen anything, what can be said? Another thing, is that there is no division between what is and what isn't, there is no question nor inhibition. It is your division that is your non-lucidity, and your interjection that is against. Defining should be done with great caution, it can create much questioning and doubt, and does not take for granted that which is, which is (if you have have experience with dreams you will know) the catalyst (in a backwards way) for everything, including lucidity. If you let lucidity, it is there. If you keep asking those who can never answer you truthfully, then you are just creating another problem. Another person's truth can never be your own, truth is subjective - for you to know what lucidity is, you must be lucid. When you are lucid, you will understand, but otherwise the asking of the question is going to be a barrier. DARN THAT WAS DEEP AND TRUE, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING, BUT NO WAY WOULD I BE ABLE TO PUT IT OUT LIKE THAT!~GOOD JOB

[Shift]

Lucidity is a personal experience, why do you need to define it? It is a strange phenomenon for that first time. If you see a rose dripping dew under a sunrise, and it is the first time you have ever seen anything, what can be said? Another thing, is that there is no division between what is and what isn't, there is no question nor inhibition. It is your division that is your non-lucidity, and your interjection that is against. Defining should be done with great caution, it can create much questioning and doubt, and does not take for granted that which is, which is (if you have have experience with dreams you will know) the catalyst (in a backwards way) for everything, including lucidity. If you let lucidity, it is there. If you keep asking those who can never answer you truthfully, then you are just creating another problem. Another person's truth can never be your own, truth is subjective - for you to know what lucidity is, you must be lucid. When you are lucid, you will understand, but otherwise the asking of the question is going to be a barrier. Because lucid dreaming is by definition just being consciously aware that you are dreaming while you are dreaming You can't be lucid dreaming unless that criterion is fulfilled Lucidity during waking life though, I won't dare define

[ClouD]

Because lucid dreaming is by definition just being consciously aware that you are dreaming while you are dreaming You can't be lucid dreaming unless that criterion is fulfilled Lucidity during waking life though, I won't dare define Ah yes, I don't really like the lucid dreaming definition. When I say lucidity I mean 'awareness of awareness', and not interpretation of reality, even though heightened awareness is usually needed to reach definitions in a dream. I just find that definitions are damaging to furthering lucidity deeper when lucid, and that being aware of dreaming is not actually a requisite to greatly heightened awareness (and I won't dare contradict myself once more by saying 'in a dream' again ). Also, awareness of dreaming is a bit strange, since you can't usually feel both the 'waking body' and the 'sleeping body' (I mean those definitions loosely), but when you do feel both, then neither one feels more real, at least in my interpretation.

[Shift]

Ah yes, I don't really like the lucid dreaming definition. When I say lucidity I mean 'awareness of awareness', and not interpretation of reality, even though heightened awareness is usually needed to reach definitions in a dream. I just find that definitions are damaging to furthering lucidity deeper when lucid, and that being aware of dreaming is not actually a requisite to greatly heightened awareness (and I won't dare contradict myself once more by saying 'in a dream' again ). Also, awareness of dreaming is a bit strange, since you can't usually feel both the 'waking body' and the 'sleeping body' (I mean those definitions loosely), but when you do feel both, then neither one feels more real, at least in my interpretation. Yes, I suppose. Well, you can be aware of a ton of things. I often have dreams in which I am aware. It's much less often that the thing I am aware of is that I am actually in a dream, which is what makes it a lucid dream.

[Spiderman_859]

I heard from another member that your REM cycle doubles in length after each NREM cycle A complete sleep cycle with everything included is only like 100 minutes, It says on the homepage thing that REM can get up to about an hour. I still don't know what I'd call it though. Maybe you got the time for it confused.

[Psionics]

A complete sleep cycle with everything included is only like 100 minutes, It says on the homepage thing that REM can get up to about an hour. I still don't know what I'd call it though. Maybe you got the time for it confused. well like I've said, the first time I was aware was an entire dream in itself. therefor, two sleep cycles could easily get to 2 hours.

[Psionics]

I think this thread has gotten a little off topic. the main questions are 1. Does someone who has experienced this consider it to be an actual dream or more like a day dream? 2. Is it lucidity when you are aware, but not aware of your awareness? this meaning you know you're asleep but dont recognize what this really means.

[Spiderman_859]

well like I've said, the first time I was aware was an entire dream in itself. therefor, two sleep cycles could easily get to 2 hours. Oh... Ok. Yeah I can see how you can get two hours out of that. I don't think it was a lucid just because I have the something very similiar to what you describe and to me it just doen't feel anything like a lucid, but really no one will ever really know what you experianced so you're going to have to decide if it was or wasn't by your standards.

[Psionics]

Oh... Ok. Yeah I can see how you can get two hours out of that. I don't think it was a lucid just because I have the something very similar to what you describe and to me it just doen't feel anything like a lucid, but really no one will ever really know what you experienced so you're going to have to decide if it was or wasn't by your standards. well my main question was if it was a dream at all, and I think I got my answer this morning when I had one of those experiences that you guys have said where you just are in bed and a day dream starts to happen. I can honestly say it felt NOTHING like my "lucid dream". so now the question is are you lucid when you are aware you are asleep but not aware of your awareness?

[Psionics]

ok, reecejones87 just described exactly wat happened and said it was a Layer 2 minor. thx for all the help tho.

[ClouD]

Oh look, you're so satisfied with your definition.