False Lucid Dreams

[Mariano]

A false lucid dream is when you DREAM that you know you are dreaming. So you are not aware of the real situation. You are in the dream, you say "I'm dreaming" but the dreaming continues normally, with you unaware, but the plot is different, the plot is now about "what you will do if you know you are dreaming". So you are never conscious of what is really happening. A False Lucid Dream is totally different from a Real Lucid Dream. In the Real Lucid Dream you really know you are dreaming, and you are simply conscious of your real situation. In the False Lucid Dream, Is the same as above, plus it's all a dream, I mean, you dream "you really know you are dreaming, and you are simply conscious of your real situation." This problem as attacked me since I started to try to achieve a Lucid Dream. In those dream, I do Reality checks, I think I'm aware, and I do whatever I want, but when I wake up, I understand that it was a dream like the others, in where you are not conscious, and you not really know that is a dream. So, what's the point? the point is how to stop this. how to use the False Lucid Dream, to achieve a LUCID DREAM! I'm having 1 FLD every 2,3 days.And it's a little frustrating. I have to say that in real life I only do RC whenever I see something a bit strange. not ALWAYS(because I done it always and it did worked too much) I even met people with the same problem, so here I am, to stop this. To take advantage of the FLD to have beautifuls LD! I think that one of the solutions, is this: -Every time you do a RC,Question yourself about you real situation....ask "If now, in this moment, I dreaming that I know I'm dreaming?" Work with that. Now, If you want to add strategies, it will excellent.. If WE were able to take advantage of the FLD, I think we would turn into Natural Lucid Dreams, eh? Gooooodbye!!! =)

[Shift]

Honestly, there is quite enough unnecessarily confusing terminology, so I have edited your post to remove the definitions. This is something that happens especially to those new to lucid dreaming. Give it some time, work on how you do your reality checks, and you'll likely stop having them as you become more familiar with lucid dreaming.

[Mariano]

Some time? how much? It will happen what I expect to happen??

[Ajnaeye]

Those false lucid dreams are a first step of attaining a real lucidity during your dreams. It's a good sign, so be patient.

[Mariano]

mmm, I need more info, I have been looking for more threads, but ...nothing. Can someone explain me If I am right or not?

[Sylph]

Some time? how much? That kind of thing varies from one person to another. Like the others said, it's common for people to start with "false" ou "near" lucids and then, a few "whatever kind of" lucids later their brains finally get it right. If it makes you feel better, change your RCs like that - it won't hurt, I suppose. Or you can just keep on with your normal routine, not worry so much about it, and it should come to you soon. It sometimes happens to me that when my sleep is too heavy I don't fully "break through" and really feel "awake". I know I'm dreaming and can do whatever I want, but the dream still feels fuzzy and "normal". I don't know a way around that one, though. It just a matter of keep on trying.

[paragon]

In my experience there is a definite spike in consciousness during most of these dreams, so I would consider them lucids (at least for me), even though the lucidity and vividness is very low. I have them quite frequently too.

[pond weed]

is it simply: -you are either lucid dreaming or not (if you aknowlege its a dream its lucid) -dreams (lucid or not) have a certain degree of 'Vividness', and that lucid dreams which arnt very vivid arnt very exciting and seem/feel like normal dreams. if thats the case then you are trying to make your dreams more vivid. that involves using more senses. read this http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73921

[paragon]

There are also differing levels of awareness; it's not all or nothing. The quality of a lucid is not entirely down to vividness (though vividness and awareness are correlated). In low awareness dreams, my thought processes are not the same as those of a normal dream, yet clearly they are not the thoughts I would have if I was fully aware in a proper lucid. e.g. a few nights ago my thoughts were fairly rational and logical and I went through the standard procedures of stabilising and so on. Yet I didn't even think about doing any of the things I want to do such as flying, and instead just wasted time stuffing around in my room. When I finally went outside, I started stressing out about making sure the front door was locked. After that point I completely lost all lucidity and my thoughts became random dream nonsense again.

[Amethyst Star]

mmm, I need more info, I have been looking for more threads, but ...nothing. Can someone explain me If I am right or not? You can also look for threads containing the term "semi-lucid." More or less, it will just take practice. Keep doing reality checks and in the meantime, enjoy your dreams. If you're not 100% lucid, don't let it stress you out. Different people progress at different rates. You may find yourself lucid tonight, and I certainly hope so Just enjoy the ride. -you are either lucid dreaming or not (if you aknowlege its a dream its lucid) -dreams (lucid or not) have a certain degree of 'Vividness', and that lucid dreams which arnt very vivid arnt very exciting and seem/feel like normal dreams. From another post: I just wanted to add that one's "levels of lucidity" can be a subjective experience. Lucidity does not equal control except over one's own thoughts and actions. I think that there is also a difference from a dream persona being lucid and me being lucid. It's one thing for me to be consciously aware of a dream, and another for a DC following the story of the dream (with the story being that he/she is dreaming). Just to clarify, by a "persona" I mean the character that you are during any point in the dream. Sometimes I'm myself, and sometimes my point of view is through someone else. I hope this helps a little.

[deepsleep]

I have false lucids all the time.. I hate it. But i usually end up doing what I would wanna do inna lucid.. So no biggie.

[Mariano]

In my experience there is a definite spike in consciousness during most of these dreams, so I would consider them lucids (at least for me), even though the lucidity and vividness is very low. I have them quite frequently too. Not for me, I don't consider them low lucidity dreams, for me they are just normal dreams, In where I say "oh look I'm dreaming"...but well...thanks je -you are either lucid dreaming or not (if you aknowlege its a dream its lucid) I know perfectly a lucid dream, but simply, Im not doing it =( -dreams (lucid or not) have a certain degree of 'Vividness', and that lucid dreams which arnt very vivid arnt very exciting and seem/feel like normal dreams. if thats the case then you are trying to make your dreams more vivid. that involves using more senses. read this I'm working with that, thank you, but it's not what I'm exactly looking for, anyways, I'm reading that post because is excellent... je, thanks There are also differing levels of awareness; it's not all or nothing. The quality of a lucid is not entirely down to vividness (though vividness and awareness are correlated). In low awareness dreams, my thought processes are not the same as those of a normal dream, yet clearly they are not the thoughts I would have if I was fully aware in a proper lucid. e.g. a few nights ago my thoughts were fairly rational and logical and I went through the standard procedures of stabilising and so on. Yet I didn't even think about doing any of the things I want to do such as flying, and instead just wasted time stuffing around in my room. When I finally went outside, I started stressing out about making sure the front door was locked. After that point I completely lost all lucidity and my thoughts became random dream nonsense again. In those False Lucid Dreams, I just feel like and espectator, I can't be conscious of my actions =( You can also look for threads containing the term "semi-lucid." More or less, it will just take practice. Keep doing reality checks and in the meantime, enjoy your dreams. If you're not 100% lucid, don't let it stress you out. Different people progress at different rates. You may find yourself lucid tonight, and I certainly hope so Just enjoy the ride. Thank you, I enjoy my dreams... I will look for them(semi-lucid) ! Lucidity does not equal control except over one's own thoughts and actions. aaaaaaaaaaand that's it.... THAT'S what I'm not having in those dreams... I have false lucids all the time.. I hate it. But i usually end up doing what I would wanna do inna lucid.. So no biggie. mmmm, no, not agree with you(if you like that, ok) because I want to be lucid in my dreams just because I wanna be conscious in one of them, I wanna be on them, I don't want them just like memories that appear from nothing, I wanna be on them like I'm being in the Real World like now, with the same conscious...that just will make me happy... Thanks for Responses! Good night! bye

[randomdreamer]

i tend to have these a lot (as indicated by my sig) and for those of you who say lucidity is all or nothing or would count this crap as lucid dreaming have never really had a fake ld it is nothing like being lucid its like watching someone else eat icecream, you know its icecream, you know what it looks like and tastes like, how it feels and smells, but in the end you are not eating it and no matter how much you believe that you are eating real icecream it will never change that fact that you are eating celery and all you can do is try again to catch the icecream truck and hope that he takes pennys.

[paragon]

For you, randomdreamer, yes. But everyone's experience is different. It's definitely possible to be lucid but have it feel like you're not because your level of awareness is so low, even though this be not what you're experiencing.

[randomdreamer]

i understand what your saying and i have had those too. but im talking about dreaming that you had a lucid dream. though they are VERY similar there IS a difference between having lucids with veeery low awareness and dreaming you had a lucid dream. i wish i could think of a way to describe the difference but i dont think i can theu can be almost the same

[paragon]

Yes, I know the difference 'cause I've had both. I thought you were saying there was no such thing as a low-awareness LD. Is that avatar a stereogram? If it is, it's too small for me to make anything out. You succeeded in making me cross-eyed though.

[randomdreamer]

wow that was a quick response lol no im aware there are different levels of lucidity and no its not a stereogram its supposed to be an animated gif of tv static but animated gifs dont work as avatars here apparently i cant do stereograms because im colorblind and can only see out one eye ;_; i cant use 3d glasses either

[Shift]

wow that was a quick response lol no im aware there are different levels of lucidity and no its not a stereogram its supposed to be an animated gif of tv static but animated gifs dont work as avatars here apparently i cant do stereograms because im colorblind and can only see out one eye ;_; i cant use 3d glasses either You should still be able to do stereograms

[Desert Claw]

is it simply: -you are either lucid dreaming or not (if you aknowlege its a dream its lucid) -dreams (lucid or not) have a certain degree of 'Vividness', and that lucid dreams which arnt very vivid arnt very exciting and seem/feel like normal dreams. if thats the case then you are trying to make your dreams more vivid. that involves using more senses. read this http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73921 I know what he means, but he is saying its like a simulation of what you would do if you were lucid dreaming. IMO it is just as good as a real LD but you don't spend the time really taking in the details. instead you sorta do whatever you 'need' to do straight away. whatever just my opinion

[randomdreamer]

but for stereograms dont you need to like cross ur eyes or something, i only has i usable one. but im sure colorblind has nothing to do with it wow i think we might be a teeeeensy bit off topic lol

[Mariano]

i wish i could think of a way to describe the difference but i dont think i can theu can be almost the same maybe you can't, but what is this thread supposed to? What about all the things I have written? It Is VERY SIMPLE: Lucid Dream - With any amount of awareness = control over one's own thoughts and actions. False Lucid Dream = you not =)

[randomdreamer]

yeah but at times it can be hard to tell whether you were or not

[Mariano]

uhuhuh jejeje, I think I have found how to have the FLD... I had them whenever I fall asleep trying to WILD or FILD, so the dream construct himself from my last efforts...

[drzero]

I don't know if i had a LD or a FLD. It started happening really weird stuff in my dream and i thought to myself "this has to be a dream", so i tried the "nose pinch" RC and it worked, i realised it was a dream. This was very unexpected since i gave up on lucid dreaming about 3 months ago, but i think i got a little bit too excited becuse things started getting fuzzy, so i tried rubbing my hands together, it worked a little bit but then everything got kinda "smeared" and i woke up. Now, several hours later i'm not sure if i really had a LD. Is it really possible to do a RC and starting to rub your hands together becuse the dream is starting to fade without even having a LD? Sorry for my bad english, im from sweden.

[Revery]

Hmm, I had what I thought was a fake lucid dream the first night I tried to LD which was only a few weeks ago. I was watching a woman talking on TV and I did a reality check by looking at the hands on my watch - sure enough they changed on the second look and I started saying out loud repeatedly "I know I'm dreaming" then the dream ended. It was very hazy and I wouldn't class it as a LD. But now I'm starting to wonder if it was a LD just with poor vividness. I didn't really feel exhilerated in realising I was in a LD and I think that could be the key. In the single true LD I've ever had I absolutely knew I was in that environment and it was exhilerating.