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Hey everybody,
So I just started my dream journal last night, and amazingly already have an entry just by telling myself I would :D. My biggest question about lucid dreams is the control. Eventually you're able to control your dreams, but can you control the time in your dreams. I.E. could I say "Okay I want this dream to last thousands of years." Would that be possible to make my dream feel like it lasted an incredibly long time but in reality wake up in a matter of hours?
Perhaps.
I myself have never had any time dilation experiences, but the general thoughts here seem to be that with extreme control/practice it is possible(it is a lucid, after all).
Check out these threads, they were very interesting!
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The discussions here could answer the question better than I could!
To answer briefly, I have had VERY extended non-lucid dreams, but my lucids have never lasted mroe than, say, 15-20 minutes? That sounds about right.
There is scientific evidence that dream time is broadly the same as real time.
Dreams can seem longer than they are because:-
- We tend to skip the boring bits (i.e. appear directly at the destination rather than walking).
- Our logic centres are asleep so we have a very flawed awareness of whats occuring (including our sense of time).
- Dreams are skewed and disjointed and often make no sense.
- Dream memories fade quickly. The more they fade the more you will lose any feeling you may have had of its duration.
Can you deliberately and literally extend dream time so you actually have say 6 hrs of experience in 30 minutes. I would say no.
Well, of course not. But you can have what is percieved to be years, or process more data in dream minute then you would have in a waking minute, so it's almost as if you may as well be experiencing an hour, or a week, or a month, in a 30 minute long dream.
I didn't mean it as in real life time lasting years, but I meant "feeling" it being that long in the dream.
Can't imagine any circumstance where you would "feel" like you had years of experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlesnareboy90
I mean, you might suddenly realise you've become an old man, but thats not the same as years of experience inbetween.
You can make lucid dreams seem to pass time.
For example, if you was watching a film and the character went to bed at midnight. Then the alarms go off and light shines through the window..
Even though it went from night to morning, the audience know that only a few seconds have really past.
You can apply this to your dreams and make them seem to last longer.
Does a movie set over a decade seem to last ten years.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdeano
Nah, it seems to last An hour and a half to two hours.
Yes but the story passes over a decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonshine
And because you are immersed in the story when lucid dreaming. You feel as if you have also passed through a decade.
I don't understand why you are arguing this. I have had dreams that seem to last longer than they actually did, and I am sure tons of other people on this forum have too.
I would say I've had the same. Mainly because I simply don't have a good measure of how much time has passed. But I'm talking about 15 minutes maybe seeming more like half an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdeano
I've never experienced a dream that seems to last days, weeks, years.
Its just not logically possible.
Heres my point, when you timeslip (as in whoops suddenly its a year later what ever story is unfolding) you don't suddenly have a years worth of false memories to look back on. Neither have you experienced a years worth of events.
Furthermore, "time control" suggests you can somehow induce this time dilation. To have control you would need to be lucid. Being lucid you're more likely to notice and understand the disjointed nature of dreams.
Even if you did suddenly appear at your destination without completing the 10mile walk inbetween, you would be well aware of the jump and wouldn't assume you had walked the 10 miles.
Being aware of time in a dream would be the key in changing it. But making it slow down seems... wierd. Example.. if it were in any way possable we could slow time.. what would be the consequence?.. right.. weīd be screwing physics. Gravitation is defined, and if g is 9,81 m/sē.. then its 9,81 m/sē. We couldnīt be able to slow it or make it go faster in our dreams, even if Lucid.
My oppinion, not sayin its right, just saying it what i think.:bowdown:
This should help you out : Dream Control Tutorial. Make sure that you read all of the subtutorials, it's really important that you understand how dreams are made in order to be able to control them :) Feel free to ask more questions any time
I have no need to try it, although it has been proven that the sense of time in a dream is different. For example, I had a dream that was in my 5th REM period or so that SEEMED to last hours but I don't believe it could've lasted more than an hour.
The reason for this was proved by Steven LaBerge
He had a set of lucid dreamers get lucid in a dream. The minute they did they did some kinda movement so that brain meter thingy would jump. Then they counted to ten and did the movement again.
When they did the time was all messed up. No one counted to ten in ten seconds. Instead most counted to ten in under ten seconds.
I once had a dream where i could rewind it if i didnt like something that happened, is that what you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by littlesnareboy90
Im actually kind of surprised no one has said anything about this yet but Stephen LaBerge claims to have been in a dream that lasted 100 years (100 years in the dream of course not in real life). Countless times have i fallen asleep at 6:30 had a dream that spanned over a day or two and awaken at 6:35. Those times are just examples by the way but i believe it is very possible to make a dream feel longer than you are actually asleep. How to do it purposely while lucid i have no clue, although i have read that verbal commands can work...the only problem is even if i tried i think i would still lose lucidity fairly quickly and wouldnt be able to realize any change at all. I think you would have to be very skilled at keeping stable in a ld in order to experience any percievable change in speed of time in your ld.
The seems to be the opposite of what I've read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntman800
http://www.lucidity.com/slbbs/index.html
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For example, we found that time intervals estimated in lucid dreams are very close to actual clock time (see Fig. 2); that dreamed breathing corresponds to actual respiration (Fig. 3); that dreamed movements result in corresponding patterns of muscle twitching (Fig. 4);
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Figure 2. Dream time estimations. We have straightforwardly approached the problem of dream time by asking subjects to estimate ten second intervals (by counting, "one thousand and one, one thousand and two, etc.") during their lucid dreams. Signals marking the beginning and end of the subjective intervals allowed comparison with objective time. In all cases, time estimates during the lucid dreams were very close to the actual time between signals (LaBerge, 1980a, 1985).
In fact I had a quick google and found the following:-
http://www.mindmodulations.com/mindm...g-lucid-d.html
Based on a very low number of samples, but it suggests that motor movements in dreams take longer in dream time than in real time.
Make of that what you will.
Moonshine is right.
During REM. eye movements within the dream happen in waking life as well (eyes closed)
Stephen Laberge got some lucid dreamers to estimate every ten seconds in a lucid dream and do a signal eye movement accordingly.
Turns out that waking life and dream time is almost the same.