Who believes in FATE ?

[^R^ed-$py]

Title describes everything , its simple who believes in fate ? . If fate is already writen can it be changed ? . Why its writen ? WHY ? WHY ?

[Adam]

Not as such, but I do think some things happen for a reason.

[badassbob]

I don't really believe or not believe in fate. I try to stay open inded to the idea. I love the idea of fate though, because if there is such a thing it means you can't really be held responsible for any of your actions.

[Keeper]

Fate

[arby]

I sotra believe in little tidbits of "fate". I think most of us do but don't realize it. Take murphy's law for example. I believe in that sometimes =P

[Keeper]

I believe in Fate

[Marvo]

No, not really, quantum physics denies the possibility of such a thing.

[Adam]

Urm, how exactly does quantum physics deny it?

[Marvo]

Because, as far as I know, quantum physics make stuff happen in the deepest of the atoms, on completely random, and thus denies fate.

[•Neko•]

Because, as far as I know, quantum physics make stuff happen in the deepest of the atoms, on completely random, and thus denies fate. I don't really believe in fate; but even though the true basics of quantum physics are random, I believe that things are made to happen through a certain chain of events. Suppose something happened involving you. Would it not have happened if something else hadn't happened before? For example, if you're microwave exploded, then something must of happened to it for that to happen. It can't happen without something else happening involving it first. If you get my drift.

[Alex D]

I believe that everything that happens is reactionary. While there is no fate exactly, the actions of other and events pre-determine our own actions and other events.

[•Neko•]

I believe that everything that happens is reactionary. While there is no fate exactly, the actions of other and events pre-determine our own actions and other events. Exactly what I was trying to explain, just that you said it better.

[Marvo]

Yes, but if that's true, when there's no such thing as free will. Our thinking, is just the outcome of an enourmous chain of events. If we had a complete image of the universe during the Big Bang, plugged it into some computer program, we would actually be able to see both the past and the future? But this results in a paradox, because we can then change the future, from what it should have been, and thus the universe is not dependant on chain-reactions. See what I mean?

[^R^ed-$py]

Thanks 4 da info . I have one more question in mind , ill make a new thread 4 dat .

[DC111]

I think some things happen for a reason... but I also believe you have control over your life and not fate.

[EagleEye]

I don't believe in fate in the traditional sense where everything or most things that happens in a person's life are pre-determined by the universe or some deity. Some of what we experience is beyond our control, just random events that could happen to anyone at that particular place and time. Yet most experiences in this category aren't necessary important - or even bad. They happen and we move on, forgetting the good or insignifant ones and coping with the negative ones. Other events are directly related to our actions. These are good and bad results that we experience and can often trace back to some originating action or set of behaviors. Then some things seem to happen for our growth or fulfilment. My feeling is that they're the universe's way of teaching us, making us aware, or giving us something we need. It could be the joy of meeting someone you can love, the tragedy that makes you appreciate life more, the loss that actually sets you up for a shot at something better, etc. Really, anything that happens to you has the capacity to teach you something if you think about it lol The key here is that, YOU choose how to react to what happens to you. No matter how you may have got in the situation you're in, you will have choices if you're still able to think and feel. Sometimes your choices are wide. Sometimes all you can do is decide to let go, forgive, or not. But that decision is free will.

[^R^ed-$py]

So all of you want 2 say dat all the things happen randomly ?

[pokilty]

I believe that everything that happens is reactionary. While there is no fate exactly, the actions of other and events pre-determine our own actions and other events. This is really well-put, I've been trying to explain that for ages I'm going to use the term reactionary from now on.

[•Neko•]

This is really well-put, I've been trying to explain that for ages I'm going to use the term reactionary from now on. *adds "reactionary" to his dictionary *

[LBT Petrie]

I know this is kinda seperate, but how do you explain precognitive dreams?

[M-Cat]

Both free will and fate do not exist. No, not really, quantum physics denies the possibility of such a thing. The random effects of quantum physics tend to cancel out on large scales.

[Marvo]

I believe free will exists, because of quantum physics.

[CoLd BlooDed]

In the end, it's all belief. Nobody knows. Sure, you can back your knowledge up with a scientific explanation, but you still don't know. Now, personally I believe fate doesn't exist, maybe things happening for a reason (a destiny perhaps), and that there is a free will. Of course, I don't know, but that's my belief.

[•Neko•]

I know this is kinda seperate, but how do you explain precognitive dreams? I believe that if you have a certain feeling that something might happen, then you might dream about it happening. However, whether it happens or not is purely a coincidence.

[sourcejedi]

Yes, but if that's true, when there's no such thing as free will. Our thinking, is just the outcome of an enourmous chain of events. If we had a complete image of the universe during the Big Bang, plugged it into some computer program, we would actually be able to see both the past and the future? But this results in a paradox, because we can then change the future, from what it should have been, and thus the universe is not dependant on chain-reactions. See what I mean? No, I don't . You can't fully describe the universe inside itself. Because the description of the universe would have to include itself. -- I'm a rationalist determinist. Everything runs on rules, and the only reason sense our world and rules are more "real" than any other possibility is that we are inside them; that is they are "real" to us. Free will is a very useful illusion. Even if Quantum introduces randomness, that's no more free will than the random numbers which determine the outcome of a game of snakes and ladders. Players external to the game that make choices for their own character in the game are acting as determined by the rules of their own universe. -- Ontopic: I don't believe in Fate in the sense of a master plan which determines crucial events in our lives so that we cannot escape them no matter what we choose to do. Fated to marry X; fated to die on Z whether we cross the road and get hit by the bus or stay on the same side and fall down a manhole - it doesn't make much sense to me. At the very least you need to add a master planner (God) to get it to work.