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      Math again? Google isn't helpful

      Amiright?

      Find the intervals on the real number lin for which the radicand is nonnegative(greater than or equal to zero).

      1. Sqrt(x-5)

      2. (7-2x)^(1/4)


      I don't understand the question...but my answers are this.
      1. X>5

      2. X<3.5 or X<7/2
      Last edited by Sandform; 09-02-2008 at 03:17 AM.

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      I have no idea what a 'radican' is, but they seem right, except that those less than or equal to and more than or equal to signs need to be just less than and more than signs. The expressions equal to zero for X=5 and X=3.5 respectively, and are undefined over the reals for X less than those (but still defined over the complex numbers).

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      Quote Originally Posted by archdreamer View Post
      I have no idea what a 'radican' is, but they seem right, except that those less than or equal to and more than or equal to signs need to be just less than and more than signs. The expressions equal to zero for X=5 and X=3.5 respectively, and are undefined over the reals for X less than those (but still defined over the complex numbers).
      Sorry I meant to type Radicand. A radicand is any number under the radical such as The symbol √ used to indicate the square root or nth root.

      I think they need to be greater/less than or equal to because the actual equation (based on the question posed before the equation) is...

      √(x-5)>0

      Oh wait I think I get what you're saying.
      Last edited by Sandform; 09-02-2008 at 03:28 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by archdreamer View Post
      I have no idea what a 'radican' is, but they seem right, except that those less than or equal to and more than or equal to signs need to be just less than and more than signs. The expressions equal to zero for X=5 and X=3.5 respectively, and are undefined over the reals for X less than those (but still defined over the complex numbers).
      Wrong. He requires greater than or equal to zero, so the signs require equality as well. Your comment about real versus imaginary is correct but quite irrelevant to the problem as stated.

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      Sandform: Did you edit your post? I could have sworn it said 'greater than zero'. Oh well, what drew says is correct, if we are trying to solve √(x-5)>0 for x.

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      Your answers are correct:

      x-5>o
      x>5

      Pretend thats got a line under it.

      (7-2x)(1/4)>o
      28-8x>o
      28>8x
      28/8>x
      14/4
      7/2
      3.5

      And hell, I don't even have to worry about maths again. Life is good
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      I, on the other hand, am about to begin third year university math. I'm gonna be finding so many eigenvectors that I'll be speaking German by April.

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      Cool! Math is fun when you get back into it for a while hehe. It is just jumping in after half a year of non-usage that is annoying for the first week or so.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Cool! Math is fun when you get back into it for a while hehe. It is just jumping in after half a year of non-usage that is annoying for the first week or so.
      Yeah, especially when you're jumping into partial differential equations and real analysis and other goodies...

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      I, on the other hand, am about to begin third year university math. I'm gonna be finding so many eigenvectors that I'll be speaking German by April
      I thought you did Physics?

      I hate working out eigenvalues.

      Yeah, especially when you're jumping into partial differential equations and real analysis and other goodies...
      I thought first year was real analysis? Not the third year. LOL.

      Sandform, does you're anwser agree with the book?

      I hate partial differential equations, the worst thing ever. I hate intergration, because differentiation is soo easy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      I thought you did Physics?
      I do do physics, but my major is math.

      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      I thought first year was real analysis? Not the third year. LOL.
      Uh, no. I'm talking about Lebesgue integrals and proofs of stuff. Way way above first year.

      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      I hate partial differential equations, the worst thing ever. I hate intergration, because differentiation is soo easy.
      Spoken like a true first year.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      Sandform, does you're anwser agree with the book?
      I wasn't issued a book sadly. Nor did my teacher give us notes hehe. She expects us to know this already, which is reasonable, considering it is basic algebra and I'm taking calculus.

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      Ok, here's a more challenging one:

      x^2 - x -6 >=0

      Hint: You might want to draw the function to get your bearings, otherwise it might be difficult to come up with the full answer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      Ok, here's a more challenging one:

      x^2 - x -6 >=0

      Hint: You might want to draw the function to get your bearings, otherwise it might be difficult to come up with the full answer.
      You talking to me?
      Spoiler for answer:


      Lets turn this into a math game in which the next question is harder than the last...and you have to show your work.

      Here's a more challenging one.

      √(3x-2) = 4 - x

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      You talking to me?
      Spoiler for answer:
      This is precisely why I suggested you draw the function. Your answer is incomplete.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Lets turn this into a math game in which the next question is harder than the last...and you have to show your work.

      Here's a more challenging one.

      √(3x-2) = 4 - x
      Yuck.

      √(3x-2) = 4 - x
      3x -2 = 16 - 8x + x^2
      x^2 - 11x +18 =0

      x= (11 &#177; √(121-72))/2
      x = 11/2 &#177; 7/2
      x = 9, x = 2

      edited for stupidy

      Here's my response!

      x^3 + 6x^2 +11x +6 >= 0
      Last edited by drewmandan; 09-03-2008 at 02:35 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      This is precisely why I suggested you draw the function. Your answer is incomplete.

      Oops I meant
      Spoiler for oops.:


      I didn't see that you wrote > before =.

      also...


      √(3x-2) = 4 - x
      √(3*12.5-2) = 4 - 12.5
      ~5.9581 = -8.5

      Also -1.5(3) - 2 results in √(-6.5) So that can't be right either...
      Last edited by Sandform; 09-03-2008 at 02:32 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Oops I meant
      Spoiler for oops.:


      I didn't see that you wrote > before =.

      also...

      √(3x-2) = 4 - x
      √(3*12.5-2) = 4 - 12.5
      ~5.9581 = -8.5
      Correct. Now do the one I just posted, and I'll give you a cookie.

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      Crap I made a mistake. I forgot to divide the 7 by 2. Fixed it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      Correct. Now do the one I just posted, and I'll give you a cookie.
      I dont know how to do it other than graphing it and then proving it via synthetic division =(.

      I can gives the answer but I don't know the math behind it, all I can do is graph it and then work backwards. (synthetic division)

      Spoiler for ok:


      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      Crap I made a mistake. I forgot to divide the 7 by 2. Fixed it.
      It should only be 2. You should end up with X = 2 and x = - 9... X = 9 makes the solution 5 = -5.

      Since radicands can't be negative and (3*-9) - 2 = -29, it can't be -9.
      Last edited by Sandform; 09-03-2008 at 02:45 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      I dont know how to do it other than graphing it and then proving it via synthetic division =(.

      I can gives the answer but I don't know the math behind it, all I can do is graph it and then work backwards. (synthetic division)

      Spoiler for ok:
      Use the factor theorem. And I said greater than or equal, dammit!


      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      It should only be 2. You should end up with X = 2 and x = - 9... X = 9 makes the solution 5 = -5.

      Since radicands can't be negative and (3*-9) - 2 = -29, it can't be -9.
      Hmm quite right. I can see how the one answer isn't applicable, but I'm trying to figure out why my math didn't reveal that...

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      x^4-15x^2+36

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      x^4-15x^2+36
      Trivial. Use the substitution u = x^2 to reduce to u^2 -15u +36. Then u=-12 and -3 (assuming you want roots). Then the roots of x are ħsqrt(12)i, ħsqrt(3)i.

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      Trivial. Use the substitution u = x^2 to reduce to u^2 -15u +36. Then u=-12 and -3 (assuming you want roots). Then the roots of x are &#177;sqrt(12)i, &#177;sqrt(3)i.
      Pfft, WRONG!.

      j/k, j/k, j/k, not really, j/k, j/k.

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      Trivial. Use the substitution u = x^2 to reduce to u^2 -15u +36. Then u=-12 and -3 (assuming you want roots). Then the roots of x are &#177;sqrt(12)i, &#177;sqrt(3)i.
      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Pfft, WRONG!.

      j/k, j/k, j/k, not really, j/k, j/k.
      I actually was serious about the answer being wrong though...

      there doesn't need to be an "i" and the sqrt(12) should be reduced to 2Sqrt(3)


      2x + 4b = 0
      4X + 2b = 2

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      I actually was serious about the answer being wrong though...

      there doesn't need to be an "i" and the sqrt(12) should be reduced to 2Sqrt(3)


      2x + 4b = 0
      4X + 2b = 2
      Oh another stupid mistake. Yes, you're right. The roots are real. And fuck off with your lowest terms crap. No one cares about lowest terms past high school.

      As for that problem, I'm not sure what you want me to do. Is b a constant?

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